Vicki wrote about her horrible trip to AC. I completely believe that
it was not 'bad luck'. The machines are not random in AC. I really
enjoy vp but I will not ever play in AC again. This means I can not
drive a couple hours to New Jersey, but need to fly 4 hours to Vegas.
Tis a shame a player cant enjoy their favorite past time because of un-
mitigated GREED on the casinos part. So now they get a shot at NONE
of my bankroll-ever (AC). Makes sense to me. Hope other AC players do
the same.
Maybe I should consider internet gaming.
For now I'll have to live vicariosly through this forum.
video poker in AC
Sorry if this comes up a lot, but as a new member to this forum, I'm curious as to how anyone can substantiate a claim such as, "the machines are not random in AC."
Brian J. Haagbrian_haag@yahoo.com
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----- Original Message ----
From: teacuplily <teacuplily@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2006 6:14:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] video poker in AC
Vicki wrote about her horrible trip to AC. I completely believe that
it was not 'bad luck'. The machines are not random in AC. I really
enjoy vp but I will not ever play in AC again. This means I can not
drive a couple hours to New Jersey, but need to fly 4 hours to Vegas.
Tis a shame a player cant enjoy their favorite past time because of un-
mitigated GREED on the casinos part. So now they get a shot at NONE
of my bankroll-ever (AC). Makes sense to me. Hope other AC players do
the same.
Maybe I should consider internet gaming.
For now I'll have to live vicariosly through this forum.
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
teacuplily wrote:
Vicki wrote about her horrible trip to AC. I completely believe that it was not 'bad luck'. The machines are not random in AC.
This statement is based on what?
Can you tell me why you make the statement:
"The machines are not random in AC"?
What evidence leads you to this conclusion?
Vicki wrote about her horrible trip to AC. I completely believe that
it was not 'bad luck'. The machines are not random in AC. I really
enjoy vp but I will not ever play in AC again. This means I can not
drive a couple hours to New Jersey, but need to fly 4 hours to Vegas.
Tis a shame a player cant enjoy their favorite past time because of
un-
mitigated GREED on the casinos part. So now they get a shot at NONE
of my bankroll-ever (AC). Makes sense to me. Hope other AC players
do
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "teacuplily" <teacuplily@...> wrote:
the same.
Maybe I should consider internet gaming.
For now I'll have to live vicariosly through this forum.
I think the allegation comes form the fact that, from what I've heard
and read, New Jersey gaming regs do no *explicitly* state that VP
games there must be completely random, as is required in Nevada.
However, it should be noted that the only VP machines used in AC are
from the major manufacturers (IGT, Bally, etc.), and Nevada regs
mandate that machines that these manufacturers ship to other
jurisdictions must adhere to Nevada regs that is, they must be
random, too. I don't know if or how Nevada enforces this, but I don't
think IGT or Bally would want to damagae their reputation by
installing rigged machines in New Jersey, especially considering how
anal the New Jersey regulators can be at times.
Don't confuse a losing streak with a lack of randomness.
Ky Hick
teacuplily wrote:
<snip>
Maybe I should consider internet gaming.
<snip>
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For many of us that have to fly to LV, this is becoming an
attractive option. We've had discussions about playing 9/6 JoB 100-
play at XYZ casino, but there are only a few machines available---
this game is readily available at many online casinos---hell, they
even will hold the right cards for you and you can let the game play
the hands for you on AUTOPLAY---perfect play! CB is typically .1%.
I just received an offer "Deposit $100, receive a $100 bonus, and if
you bust out, you get $50 back." Can you imagine going into a
casino, plugging a Benji into the machine (25c level) and having the
credit meter go to 800? And if you lose it all, the attendant gives
you $50? [No tip required! :-)] There is a wagering requirement
before cashing out---you must run $4000 through---boy, that'll be
tough for a lot of us!
The list of topics that we've discussed on this board (including
cost and time of transportation, smoking, dealing with too many
people with way too much self-esteem, tipping, getting a seat at
the "good" machines, using a strategy sheet, etc.) are just not
concerns. The cocktails are usually great as well (If I could just
get my wife to wear that Wynn cocktail waitress outfit I bought her
for Christmas!).
So if you live in an area that doesn't offer at least the above
mentioned game, you might want to consider the online option. Who
knows? Maybe if enough people stayed away, things would change for
the better.
[Just an aside note---on holding a 4RF hand, I connected on 5 out of
100, including 3 consecutive hands.]
Does Wynn actually sell them? <grin> SHOOT! And Valentine's day is already passed.
.....BL
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@...> wrote:
(If I could just
get my wife to wear that Wynn cocktail waitress outfit I bought her
for Christmas!).
Two things. First, even though NJ regs do not
require machines to deal as the equivalent live
game would (that's the Nevada reg) NJ CC has
since day 1 required this to be the case. It is
so ingrained that it will never change. In Nevada
as well there are requirements that Gaming
insists upon that are not specifically included
in the regs. My impression is that it works like
legal precedent where case law is as binding as statute.
On a related point there is no regulation that
requires machines shipped out of Nevada to be
approved in Nevada or adhere to our regs. In
fact, this cannot be so because Class II machines
and certain types of VLT's are manufactured in
Nevada but would not be permitted here.
We have always believed in the phantom reg but it
isn't there. However, no machine may be shipped
out of state that would be illegal at the
destination. Since no jurisdiction allows gaffed
machines (such as Royal Flushes will not appear)
you can rely on major brand machines to be fair.
And they will work like Nevada machines unless
they are Class II or are in a Washington State
Native casino or a New York racino.
Bill
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At 09:11 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
I think the allegation comes form the fact that, from what I've heard
and read, New Jersey gaming regs do no *explicitly* state that VP
games there must be completely random, as is required in Nevada.
However, it should be noted that the only VP machines used in AC are
from the major manufacturers (IGT, Bally, etc.), and Nevada regs
mandate that machines that these manufacturers ship to other
jurisdictions must adhere to Nevada regs that is, they must be
random, too. I don't know if or how Nevada enforces this, but I don't
think IGT or Bally would want to damagae their reputation by
installing rigged machines in New Jersey, especially considering how
anal the New Jersey regulators can be at times.Don't confuse a losing streak with a lack of randomness.
Ky Hick
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Bill Coleman wrote:
Two things. First, even though NJ regs do not require machines to deal as the equivalent live game would (that's the Nevada reg) NJ CC has since day 1 required this to be the case. It is so ingrained that it will never change. In Nevada as well there are requirements that Gaming insists upon that are not specifically included in the regs. My impression is that it works like legal precedent where case law is as binding as statute.
On a related point there is no regulation that requires machines shipped out of Nevada to be approved in Nevada or adhere to our regs. In fact, this cannot be so because Class II machines and certain types of VLT's are manufactured in Nevada but would not be permitted here.
Machines in New Jersey have nothing whatsoever to do with Class II. Second, the State of New Jersey has its own extensive laboratory to test all slot machines to ensure that they function as represented. And then the State of New Jersey compiles the results, has them independently audited and releases them publicly.
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The internet seems a strange place to turn for someone who is looking for
verifiably random games.
Chandler
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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
teacuplily
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:15 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] video poker in AC
Vicki wrote about her horrible trip to AC. I completely believe that
it was not 'bad luck'. The machines are not random in AC. I really
enjoy vp but I will not ever play in AC again. This means I can not
drive a couple hours to New Jersey, but need to fly 4 hours to Vegas.
Tis a shame a player cant enjoy their favorite past time because of un-
mitigated GREED on the casinos part. So now they get a shot at NONE
of my bankroll-ever (AC). Makes sense to me. Hope other AC players do
the same.
Maybe I should consider internet gaming.
For now I'll have to live vicariosly through this forum.
Why don't they put it in writing?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
Two things. First, even though NJ regs do not
require machines to deal as the equivalent live
game would (that's the Nevada reg) NJ CC has
since day 1 required this to be the case. It is
so ingrained that it will never change.