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Video Poker for Winners: 3 Days After

#1

After the 3-Day Free Trial of Video Poker for Winners, here's what I
think of it so far:

- User Interface is superb! Anything that looks a lot like
the "real thing", is very good (graphics, buttons, etc.)!!!
- Skill or pure Luck? No matter which game I played (Single Play,
Triple Play, 100-Play, Multi-Strike, Super Times Pay) I won. I
could never make this claim when practicing with WinPoker. In
short, the games programmed in WinPoker seems to be a lot "tighter"
than VPW. Random seeding in RNG different maybe?
- Bankroll Calculator...hmmm...I bet many people will struggle in
trying to figure out this one. Would have been nice if the On-line
Help shows a few samples and more detailed description on how to use
this feature. :< Hopefully, the samples will be availble in their
website at least.

Overall, I like this new product! Good job Bob and vpw programmers!

Gilbert

#2

gilbert_616 wrote:

- Skill or pure Luck? No matter which game I played (Single Play,
Triple Play, 100-Play, Multi-Strike, Super Times Pay) I won. I
could never make this claim when practicing with WinPoker. In
short, the games programmed in WinPoker seems to be a lot "tighter"
than VPW. Random seeding in RNG different maybe?

Yeah, you touch on an aspect of the software that could use a little
stronger "in your face" explanation. The truth is that the default
trainer setting indeed offers up a "loose" machine. However, this is
a result of a training objective that only incidentally yields
stronger deals than would otherwise be expected.

The software has four difficulty levels: beginning, intermediate,
advanced, and mixed (random). The last of these deals a true random
game. The others select dealt hands in which the difference between
the strongest and second strongest holds become increasingly smaller
(i.e. more difficult to choose between, thus refining the training).

The default setting is "beginner". At that level, the best hold will
tend to be quite strong -- in a game like Jacks, you'll see frequent
deals with pairs, trips, 4 suited cards, etc. You'd expect these to
tower over any alternate holds. This level is best suited for the
novice who needs to get a handle on identifying basic holds.

However, the collateral impact of this setting is that you can look to
have "winning" play. If you play the cards correctly, you'll likely
see your credits hold up reasonably well between big hits, and advance
solidly when quads or better surface.

The explanation that the deals aren't random when any setting other
than "mixed" is selected should perhaps be more prominant and,
similarly, your current difficulty level be plainly displayed on the
practice screen.

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(This, of course, is the kind of input that any developer would love
to surface BEFORE commercial introduction, but all too often doesn't
-- no matter how painstaking the testing. That the testing in this
case was "painstaking" is very evident in the solid overall integrity
of the released software. It runs impressively well and very smoothly
on my machines.)

- Harry

#3

In order to get a random deal in VPFW you have to set the "Training Style" /
Level of Difficulty" to "Mixed" or you will only get the easy "Beginner"
hands. I discovered this after I had the same thing happen.

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- Skill or pure Luck? No matter which game I played (Single Play,
Triple Play, 100-Play, Multi-Strike, Super Times Pay) I won. I
could never make this claim when practicing with WinPoker. In
short, the games programmed in WinPoker seems to be a lot "tighter"
than VPW. Random seeding in RNG different maybe?

#4

Gilbert wrote: - Bankroll Calculator...hmmm...I bet many people will
struggle in
trying to figure out this one. Would have been nice if the On-line
Help shows a few samples and more detailed description on how to use
this feature. :< Hopefully, the samples will be availble in their
website at least.

I've been writing examples concerning the bankroll calculator in my
online column. Hopefully that will help.
Glad you liked it.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#5

I wonder how many casinos request this "feature" for the VP machines that they put on
their floor. It would be great for tightening or loosening up things when needed, even for
video poker.

...<smile> and who said that the pay table of a video poker machine tells it all?

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

The software has four difficulty levels: beginning, intermediate,
advanced, and mixed (random). The last of these deals a true random
game. The others select dealt hands in which the difference between
the strongest and second strongest holds become increasingly smaller
(i.e. more difficult to choose between, thus refining the training).

- Harry

#6

I just want to add that I notice the same phenomenon - you "win" much
too easily on this game. I want to add that it does not matter what
setting you have it on, even mixed. In a relatively short mixed
session of FPDW, I had numbers of 189/262 beginner, 67/262
intermediate, 6/262 advanced hands. With overwheming majority of
beginner hands, the below explanation may confirm that winning is
easier than losing. But throughout the week, I have played FPDW on
all 4 levels, and I cannot lose.

One only needs to compare play with "Video Poker for Winners"
and "Frugal Video Poker" and you will easily see what I mean. FVP, in
my mind, simulates results in a casino far better than VPW.

- - Jim

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

gilbert_616 wrote:
> - Skill or pure Luck? No matter which game I played (Single Play,
> Triple Play, 100-Play, Multi-Strike, Super Times Pay) I won. I
> could never make this claim when practicing with WinPoker. In
> short, the games programmed in WinPoker seems to be a

lot "tighter"

> than VPW. Random seeding in RNG different maybe?

Yeah, you touch on an aspect of the software that could use a little
stronger "in your face" explanation. The truth is that the default
trainer setting indeed offers up a "loose" machine. However, this

is

a result of a training objective that only incidentally yields
stronger deals than would otherwise be expected.

The software has four difficulty levels: beginning, intermediate,
advanced, and mixed (random). The last of these deals a true random
game. The others select dealt hands in which the difference between
the strongest and second strongest holds become increasingly smaller
(i.e. more difficult to choose between, thus refining the training).

The default setting is "beginner". At that level, the best hold

will

tend to be quite strong -- in a game like Jacks, you'll see frequent
deals with pairs, trips, 4 suited cards, etc. You'd expect these to
tower over any alternate holds. This level is best suited for the
novice who needs to get a handle on identifying basic holds.

However, the collateral impact of this setting is that you can look

to

have "winning" play. If you play the cards correctly, you'll likely
see your credits hold up reasonably well between big hits, and

advance

solidly when quads or better surface.

The explanation that the deals aren't random when any setting other
than "mixed" is selected should perhaps be more prominant and,
similarly, your current difficulty level be plainly displayed on the
practice screen.

------------

(This, of course, is the kind of input that any developer would love
to surface BEFORE commercial introduction, but all too often doesn't
-- no matter how painstaking the testing. That the testing in this
case was "painstaking" is very evident in the solid overall

integrity

of the released software. It runs impressively well and very

smoothly

···

on my machines.)

- Harry