I would advise never use electronic help or a cheat sheet for that matter. I mean what is so hard about memorizing strategy chart? Why let the casino know that this game is "good"? You might get barred or the game might be taken away. Casinos are paranoid. As regarding the law I think it would be legal in Nevada to use electronic help on 16-10 2's, Pickem Poker, 9-6 Jacks, Multi Strike 9-6 Jacks etc... as you do not gain a mathematical edge using the devise. However it would be illegal to use the devise for 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 double-double bonus, full pay 2's and progressives where return with perfect play is over 100%. More caution: it is illegal in Illinois to even use a cheat sheet. A question for the last poster why do you have to disclose that you have been arrested? An arrest is not a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty.
Video Poker for iPad, iPhone, iPod
Just a point of clarification.I think you meant device, not devise. A
device, like an Ipad, is a noun (the name of thing) while devise, is a verb,
meaning to create something.
Don Hughes
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Video Poker for iPad, iPhone, iPod
I would advise never use electronic help or a cheat sheet for that matter. I
mean what is so hard about memorizing strategy chart? Why let the casino
know that this game is "good"? You might get barred or the game might be
taken away. Casinos are paranoid. As regarding the law I think it would be
legal in Nevada to use electronic help on 16-10 2's, Pickem Poker, 9-6
Jacks, Multi Strike 9-6 Jacks etc... as you do not gain a mathematical edge
using the devise. However it would be illegal to use the devise for 10-7
double bonus, 10-6 double-double bonus, full pay 2's and progressives where
return with perfect play is over 100%. More caution: it is illegal in
Illinois to even use a cheat sheet. A question for the last poster why do
you have to disclose that you have been arrested? An arrest is not a
conviction. Innocent until proven guilty.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
C said:
“… in my
reading of the statute [only using a rendering/image (JPG) of the strategy
chart or a PDF or scan not directly created on the device] this would not
qualify as using software to gain an advantage. But I’m curious what others
would think.”
That’s possibly true, but someone could argue you are using
JPEG or PDF software. But even assuming that it is not created with software on
the device, still I’m not sure how the ‘I’m-not-using-software’
argument gets you off the hook since the statute states in summary:
It is unlawful for any person to use any electronic,
electrical, or hardware device designed to obtain an advantage at playing any
game. I don’t see how using a cell phone, or I-pad-like device (which is
electrical/electronic hardware) would not fall into the category above.
Next C states: “I certainly don’t want to get stuck
carrying 80+ cards of strategy with me everywhere”.
Well the statute does not have a loophole that if you have
to carry 80+ cards of strategy, then the statute does not apply to you ;).
Next, saysitsme says:
“As regarding the law I think it would be legal in Nevada
to use electronic help on 16-10 2’s, Pickem Poker, 9-6 Jacks, Multi Strike 9-6
Jacks etc… as you do not gain a mathematical edge using the devise. However
it would be illegal to use the devise for 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 double-double
bonus, full pay 2’s and progressives where return with perfect play is over
100%.”
Where does it say the strategy using the electrical
electronic device has to increase your advantage to over 100% before it becomes
illegal? All it says is: " … to obtain an advantage at playing any game …
.
I guess if you had a lousy electronic based strategy card that
would actually cause mistakes relative to the best strategy that could create a
disadvantage for the player. Then I think you could argue you are innocent because
you ere playing at a disadvantage. But not only would have to hire a lawyer but also
probably also someone with Bob Dancer’s reputation to show a judge or jury that
this electronically derived/rendered strategy was so flawed that no advantage
could be gained by using it. And we all know Bob get’s the big hourly bucks as
an expert in video poker and to be an expert witness and likely would relish an
assignment like this.
saysitsme also says: "A question for the last poster
why do you have to disclose that you have been arrested? An arrest is not a
conviction. Innocent until proven guilty.”
Many job applications ask if you have ever been arrested. If
you say no when the truth is you have been you could be in trouble for lying
about it. If you say I have been arrested and they have an equivalent candidate
that hasn’t been arrested although it may be unfair and they may not come out
and tell you that was a consideration, having been arrested is generally not
going to help your chances for a job in the real world.
In addition when you are applying for a professional license
or recurring relicense in most states you are specifically asked on the form
whether you have ever been arrested or arrested since the last time the license
was renewed. It’s a lot easier and less complex and time-consuming to say no
(truthfully) than having to “splain” the entire episode.
It would be hard to argue that your I-phone is designed to take advantage of a video poker machine.
I could see some overzealous prosecutor charging somebody under that statute, but I can’t see a jury handing over a conviction
because you were looking at a chart on your phone. If you were running one of the programs that actually analyze a specific hand, that would be another story. At least that is my opinion.
A.P.
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From: “str…@…net [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 5:06:18 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Video Poker for iPad, iPhone, iPod
C said:
“… in my
reading of the statute [only using a rendering/image (JPG) of the strategy
chart or a PDF or scan not directly created on the device] this would not
qualify as using software to gain an advantage. But I’m curious what others
would think.”
That’s possibly true, but someone could argue you are using
JPEG or PDF software. But even assuming that it is not created with software on
the device, still I’m not sure how the ‘I’m-not-using-software’
argument gets you off the hook since the statute states in summary:
It is unlawful for any person to use any electronic,
electrical, or hardware device designed to obtain an advantage at playing any
game. I don’t see how using a cell phone, or I-pad-like device (which is
electrical/electronic hardware) would not fall into the category above.
Next C states: “I certainly don’t want to get stuck
carrying 80+ cards of strategy with me everywhere”.
Well the statute does not have a loophole that if you have
to carry 80+ cards of strategy, then the statute does not apply to you ;).
Next, saysitsme says:
“As regarding the law I think it would be legal in Nevada
to use electronic help on 16-10 2’s, Pickem Poker, 9-6 Jacks, Multi Strike 9-6
Jacks etc… as you do not gain a mathematical edge using the devise. However
it would be illegal to use the devise for 10-7 double bonus, 10-6 double-double
bonus, full pay 2’s and progressives where return with perfect play is over
100%.”
Where does it say the strategy using the electrical
electronic device has to increase your advantage to over 100% before it becomes
illegal? All it says is: " … to obtain an advantage at playing any game …
.
I guess if you had a lousy electronic based strategy card that
would actually cause mistakes relative to the best strategy that could create a
disadvantage for the player. Then I think you could argue you are innocent because
you ere playing at a disadvantage. But not only would have to hire a lawyer but also
probably also someone with Bob Dancer’s reputation to show a judge or jury that
this electronically derived/rendered strategy was so flawed that no advantage
could be gained by using it. And we all know Bob get’s the big hourly bucks as
an expert in video poker and to be an expert witness and likely would relish an
assignment like this.
saysitsme also says: "A question for the last poster
why do you have to disclose that you have been arrested? An arrest is not a
conviction. Innocent until proven guilty.”
Many job applications ask if you have ever been arrested. If
you say no when the truth is you have been you could be in trouble for lying
about it. If you say I have been arrested and they have an equivalent candidate
that hasn’t been arrested although it may be unfair and they may not come out
and tell you that was a consideration, having been arrested is generally not
going to help your chances for a job in the real world.
In addition when you are applying for a professional license
or recurring relicense in most states you are specifically asked on the form
whether you have ever been arrested or arrested since the last time the license
was renewed. It’s a lot easier and less complex and time-consuming to say no
(truthfully) than having to “splain” the entire episode.