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#1

I was discussing the Harrah's option of going Diamond in one day.
It is my understanding that with Video Poker you need to play $18,000
from midnight til the following midnight. Slots require only $9,000.
I specifically addressed the limited video poker options at the
Harrah's in Laughlin. The Laughlin Index states that they have a 50
play $.05 9/6 JoB, $.25-$.50-$1-$2-$5-$25 JoB and $1-$10 3/5/10 play
($250 max per hand) JoB.
    Which machine would you pick and why that choice if your goal was
to play $18,000 through a machine in no more than 24 hours.
    Going Diamond in one day is only being discussed. becasue of this,
any comments on the merits of going Diamond at Harrah's in Laughlin is
okay. However, I am still interested in which JoB machine each of you
would play if the "Diamiond In One Day" was the objective.

Thanks for any comments
Bob

#2

I don't understand how a 10-play $10 machine has a 'max' bet of $250,
but anyone silly enough to go to Harrah's to win POINTS should play the
game that will get the $18,000 through the machine the fastest. That's
either the $25 JB or the hi-limit multi-play (once it's clarified what
the max bet really is).

    I was discussing the Harrah's option of going Diamond in one

day. It is my understanding that with Video Poker you need to play
$18,000 from midnight til the following midnight. Slots require only
$9,000. I specifically addressed the limited video poker options at
the Harrah's in Laughlin. The Laughlin Index states that they have a
50 play $.05 9/6 JoB, $.25-$.50-$1-$2-$5-$25 JoB and $1-$10 3/5/10 play
($250 max per hand) JoB.Which machine would you pick and why that
choice if your goal was to play $18,000 through a machine in no more
than 24 hours.Going Diamond in one day is only being discussed.
becasue of this, any comments on the merits of going Diamond at
Harrah's in Laughlin is okay. However, I am still interested in which
JoB machine each of you would play if the "Diamiond In One Day" was the
objective.

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#3

From: "futrend" <futrend@yahoo.com>

    I was discussing the Harrah's option of going Diamond in one day.
It is my understanding that with Video Poker you need to play $18,000
from midnight til the following midnight. Slots require only $9,000.
I specifically addressed the limited video poker options at the
Harrah's in Laughlin. The Laughlin Index states that they have a 50
play $.05 9/6 JoB, $.25-$.50-$1-$2-$5-$25 JoB and $1-$10 3/5/10 play
($250 max per hand) JoB.
    Which machine would you pick and why that choice if your goal was
to play $18,000 through a machine in no more than 24 hours.

It depends on other factors. The expectation of the the play is exactly the same regardless of denomination since you are going to stop as soon as you hit the desired coin-in.

The other factors that come in to play are what you value your time at, and what your risk tolerance is. The higher denomination you play, the greater likelihood that you'll have a substantial loss after the coin in (at the $10 10 play, $500/hand after 36 hands you could conceivably have lost $18000, not likely, but a loss of $10000 or more wouldn't be that unusual). Of course, the higher denomination you play, the higher chance that luck will favor you and you'll have a monstrous win, too. The higher base denomination you play, also the higher chance that you have to deal with hand pays and W2-Gs (which can be either a negative depending on how you plan on dealing with your taxes, or a positive if you want to get the casino's staff immediate attention).

Only you can weigh these factors for your own situation and determine the best play for your circumstances.

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#4

ghardy222 wrote:

I don't understand how a 10-play $10 machine has a 'max' bet of $250,

  Although the machine is 3/5/10 Play, I believe the ten dollar denomination is only available at 5-Play.

but anyone silly enough to go to Harrah's to win POINTS should play the game that will get the $18,000 through the machine the fastest.

  People have different objectives I guess, and wishing to gain Diamond card status cheaply as possible may be silly to some, but not to others (including me). The reason is that the diamond status will generate lots of offers of free stays that include invitational tournaments and so on. Also, the bounceback and coupons generated in the one day's play can be enough to make even 9/6 JB a break-even deal.

  At the subject property, there are better choices than 9/6 JB, including NSU Deuces and 10/7 Double Bonus, but if one wishes to play with the least volatility rather than the best return, then the nickle fifty plays are probably the best choice, epecially if you limit yourself to about 15-25 Play.

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#5

I needed to study this issue some before replying. I have a Diamond
card through Harrah's/Rio, and you're right, the offers just keep
coming whether I want them or not. I did not know the Rio had 10/7, so
thanks. As for the gent who wanted to get 1800 points in 24hrs. in
order to get one of these cards, I have to guess it depends on how much
he is willing to lose to get there. For instance (and I did some
surfing on another person's website for this idea), what if on the $5
JoB machine the guy hit a royal after earning just 300 points? Ahead
by 19 or 20 thousand, it surely wouldn't be worth the risk to keep
going, where he could lose thousands of that in his quest. The smart
play would be to forgetaboutit. At the start the formula said he
should lose I think $72. But that's taking into consideration the long
run and he's only there for a short while. All that money won would
easily far more than compensate for that Diamond card he was chasing,
right? Any opinions?

  People have different objectives I guess, and wishing to gain

Diamond card status cheaply as possible may be silly to some, but not
to others (including me). The reason is that the diamond status will
generate lots of offers of free stays that include invitational
tournaments and so on. Also, the bounceback and coupons generated in
the one day's play can be enough to make even 9/6 JB a break-even deal.

At the subject property, there are better choices than 9/6 JB,

including NSU Deuces and 10/7 Double Bonus.

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#6

ghardy222 wrote:

I needed to study this issue some before replying. I have a Diamond card through Harrah's/Rio, and you're right, the offers just keep coming whether I want them or not. I did not know the Rio had 10/7, so thanks.

  There is no 10/7 (or anything else worthwhile) at the Rio. I could be mistaken, but I believe the original poster was considering Harrah's Laughlin as the place to do his 1800 points/day. That's what i was referring to.
  There are plenty of choices there so it's a matter of personal preference.

  At Harrah's LV you have the multiplay $1 JB. That's what I played to get 1800/day. I got anough cash and coupons mailed to make it a 100% play. But I actually lost on the play, about $1,200 as I recall. That's life in videopokerland!
:slight_smile:

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#7

I don't understand how a 10-play $10 machine has a 'max' bet of $250,

I don't know the specifics, but that's the way it's been reported
by a reliable source.

but anyone silly enough to go to Harrah's to win POINTS should play the
game that will get the $18,000 through the machine the fastest.
That's either the $25 JB or the hi-limit multi-play (once it's
clarified what the max bet really is).

I've never played at a Harrah's but I wouldn't call anyone
silly who valued Diamond status and could earn it while
playing a positive situation. And, there isn't any bonus for
playing it the fastest - you just have to complete your play
in the one day period.

If I were doing it, I'd play the game and denomination that I
was most comfortable with, where I could easily earn the
Diamond status in the specified 24 hour period. For me that
would be the $1 10/7 DB.

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On 13 May 2005 at 5:39, ghardy222 wrote:

#8

Getting a royal early in the quest for Diamond status is
a fortunate event, and doesn't increase or decrease
the risk involved in completing the required 1800 points.
It certainly isn't a valid reason to call it a day, unless
getting Diamond status is no longer a goal.

You seem to be confusing "protecting a profit", which is a
questionable practice, with the underlying mathematics of
playing video poker.

Your "other person" sounds like Rob Singer. If you want to
present or discuss his strategies, please do it in a straight
forward manner, rather than beating around the bush. If
you weren't referring to Rob Singer, please identify the
source.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 13 May 2005 at 22:43, ghardy222 wrote:

As for the gent who wanted to get 1800 points in 24hrs. in order to get
one of these cards, I have to guess it depends on how much he is willing
to lose to get there. For instance (and I did some surfing on another
person's website for this idea), what if on the $5 JoB machine the guy
hit a royal after earning just 300 points? Ahead by 19 or 20 thousand,
it surely wouldn't be worth the risk to keep going, where he could lose
thousands of that in his quest. The smart play would be to
forgetaboutit.

#9

If my goal is to get exactly 1800 points ($18,000 ci) and stop playing
I dont think I would neccesarily want to do it in the fewest possible
hands. That would be either 5play $10 game at $250/hand or 10play $5
game at $250 per hand, either one you would have only 72 starter hands
and you could stand to win/lose quite some money. I think I would try
to decide how much time I wanted to play and divide that by the hands
per hour and then I would have the game with the lowest bankroll
volitility and still achive my point goal. For example $1 single line
would take about 6 hours at 600 hands/hr or $2 game would be 3 hours,
they are both available at Lauhglin. Also if a spouse is with you,
you can both play on the same account and split up the play.

There has been much dicussion on Harrahs diamond in a day and people
only playing once a year and getting many benifits, I dont neccisarily
subscribe to it, but we all have differing ideas and that it what
makes this board so valueble. I am from STL and Harrahs just happens
to have the most positive/near positive VP opportunities in town, and
when combined with bonus offer and points can occasionally be quite
good. It is good to keep you eyes open at any property reguardless of
the name on the outside. Just for example this week we had a $17,000
RF on a $1 DDB 9/5 game, the EV was about 105% before any
cash/points/promo, it doesnt happen often, but it was good for someone
(I didnt hit it).

Happy Royals
Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ghardy222" <ghardy222@y...> wrote:

I don't understand how a 10-play $10 machine has a 'max' bet of $250,
but anyone silly enough to go to Harrah's to win POINTS should play the
game that will get the $18,000 through the machine the fastest. That's
either the $25 JB or the hi-limit multi-play (once it's clarified what
the max bet really is).

#10

Somewhere I read that using regular FPDW strategy to play Loose Deuces will yield an expected value of 99.97% versus the basic expected Loose Deuces value of 100.15%. While I have seen the strategy changes applicable to NSUD in the vpFree database, I am interested in strategy changes applicable to 15/8 Loose Deuces so I can play the specific strategy for this game instead of using FPDW strategy. Any help would be appreciated. I will be in Las Vegas in two weeks and, in addition to some Pick'em and JOB, anticipate playing some Loose Deuces at the Hilton where I am staying. Thanks for any help.

Bob

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#11

Don't have anything for 15/8 LDW, but here's the changes I
used when I played 17/10 LDW at Reserve a few years ago:

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On 23 May 2005 at 18:47, Bob Bush wrote:

While I have seen the strategy changes applicable to NSUD in the
vpFree database, I am interested in strategy changes applicable to
15/8 Loose Deuces

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17/10 LDW Adjustments to Full Pay Strategy

1. Play a Deuce only rather than three to a RF with a Deuce
and an A.

2. Play two Deuces rather than four to a SF (0) with two Deuces.

3. Three to a SF (0) is better than a pair (p) or 4 Strt (0 p) or 4
Flush (p).

4. 4 to SF (0/1) with a Deuce is better than made
Straight/Flush/Trips.

5. Play three Deuces rather than made Quints or Wild Royal
Flush with three Deuces.