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#1

A list of records.
Just to set the record straight:

Democrats

· Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
· David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
· Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
· Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
· Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
· Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
· John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
Combat V Purple Hearts.
· John Edwards: did not serve.
· Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
· Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
· Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
· Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
· Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
· Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star
and seven campaign ribbons.
· Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
· Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
· Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
· Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
BronzeStar with Combat V.
· Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
· Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
· Chuck Robb: Vietnam
· Howell Heflin: Silver Star
· George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
· Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received a 311.
· Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
· Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
· John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal
with 18 Clusters.
· Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
Raoul Wallenberg.
· Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
· John Dingell: WWII vet
· John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

· Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
· Tom Delay: did not serve.
· House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
· Bill Frist: did not serve.
· Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
· George Pataki: did not serve.
· Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
· Rick Santorum: did not serve.
· Trent Lott: did not serve.
· Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
· John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
· Jeb Bush: did not serve.
· Karl Rove: did not serve.
· Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max Cleland's patriotism.
· Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
· Vin Weber: did not serve.
· Richard Perle: did not serve.
· Douglas Feith: did not serve.
· Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
· Richard Shelby: did not serve.
· Jon Kyl: did not serve.
· Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
· Christopher Cox: did not serve.
· Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
· Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
· George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
records).
· Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
· Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
· Phil Gramm: did not serve.
· John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
· Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
· Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
· Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
· J.C. Watts: did not serve.
· Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
· George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
· Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
· Antonin Scalia: did not serve
· Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

· Sean Hannity: did not serve.
· Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
· Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
· Michael Savage: did not serve.
· George Will: did not serve.
· Chris Matthews: did not serve.
· Paul Gigot: did not serve.
· Bill Bennett: did not serve.
· Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
· Bill Kristol: did not serve.
· Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
· Michael Medved: did not serve.

#2

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:

A list of records.
Just to set the record straight:

Looks like a listing put together by Michael Moore in his futile
attempt to make believe it makes any difference who serves where or
how. If this critic list is true, it sort of makes you wonder how and
why the Veterans and current military families OVERWHELMINGLY voted
for GWB! Could it possibly be that the typical American has THEIR OWN
BRAIN that's capable of seeing the incredible progress made since
that degenerate Clinton left office? Let's face it. Kerry supporters
had the mainstream of do-nothing hippies, freelancers looking for a
free ride to anywhere, queers trying to destroy the sanctity of what
marriage is all about with a mutated approach to love, and actors &
musicians who never left the 60's with no political or International
wherewithall. Imagine Sean Penn as Secretary of Defense! What about
Ed Asner as Director of Int'l. Affairs?! And Madonna and Bono as the
First Couple of the USA! Come on, get real with all this. We're in a
real life struggle with muslim terrorists who eventually will be
exterminated, and the dems just aren't up to the task.

Democrats

· Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
· David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
· Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
· Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
· Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
· Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
· John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
Combat V Purple Hearts.
· John Edwards: did not serve.
· Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
· Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
· Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
· Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
· Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
· Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star
and seven campaign ribbons.
· Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
· Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
· Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
· Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
BronzeStar with Combat V.
· Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
· Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
· Chuck Robb: Vietnam
· Howell Heflin: Silver Star
· George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
· Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft

but

···

received a 311.
· Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
· Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
· John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal
with 18 Clusters.
· Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
Raoul Wallenberg.
· Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
· John Dingell: WWII vet
· John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

· Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
· Tom Delay: did not serve.
· House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
· Bill Frist: did not serve.
· Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
· George Pataki: did not serve.
· Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
· Rick Santorum: did not serve.
· Trent Lott: did not serve.
· Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
· John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
· Jeb Bush: did not serve.
· Karl Rove: did not serve.
· Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max Cleland's patriotism.
· Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
· Vin Weber: did not serve.
· Richard Perle: did not serve.
· Douglas Feith: did not serve.
· Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
· Richard Shelby: did not serve.
· Jon Kyl: did not serve.
· Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
· Christopher Cox: did not serve.
· Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
· Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
· George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
records).
· Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
· Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
· Phil Gramm: did not serve.
· John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
· Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
· Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
· Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
· J.C. Watts: did not serve.
· Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
· George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
· Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
· Antonin Scalia: did not serve
· Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

· Sean Hannity: did not serve.
· Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
· Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
· Michael Savage: did not serve.
· George Will: did not serve.
· Chris Matthews: did not serve.
· Paul Gigot: did not serve.
· Bill Bennett: did not serve.
· Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
· Bill Kristol: did not serve.
· Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
· Michael Medved: did not serve.

#3

OK smart guy. I will ask you again. What did Iraq have to do with
terrorism in the USA? We would have been better served by attacking
Saudi Arabia (where almost all of the 9/11 terrorists came from),
Iran, Syria or even North Korea. And certainly better served by
finishing the job in Afghanistan. Spout all the rhetoric you want.
This country is in big trouble and we are in for an extremely bumpy
ride.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> A list of records.
> Just to set the record straight:

Looks like a listing put together by Michael Moore in his futile
attempt to make believe it makes any difference who serves where

or

how. If this critic list is true, it sort of makes you wonder how

and

why the Veterans and current military families OVERWHELMINGLY

voted

for GWB! Could it possibly be that the typical American has THEIR

OWN

BRAIN that's capable of seeing the incredible progress made since
that degenerate Clinton left office? Let's face it. Kerry

supporters

had the mainstream of do-nothing hippies, freelancers looking for

a

free ride to anywhere, queers trying to destroy the sanctity of

what

marriage is all about with a mutated approach to love, and actors

&

musicians who never left the 60's with no political or

International

wherewithall. Imagine Sean Penn as Secretary of Defense! What

about

Ed Asner as Director of Int'l. Affairs?! And Madonna and Bono as

the

First Couple of the USA! Come on, get real with all this. We're in

a

real life struggle with muslim terrorists who eventually will be
exterminated, and the dems just aren't up to the task.

> Democrats
>
> · Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> · David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> · Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> · Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an

army

> journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> · Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> · Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> · John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
> Combat V Purple Hearts.
> · John Edwards: did not serve.
> · Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> · Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
> Vietnam.
> · Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
> · Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> · Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-

91.

> · Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze

Star

> and seven campaign ribbons.
> · Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
> Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> · Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver

Star

> and Legion of Merit.
> · Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> · Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
> BronzeStar with Combat V.
> · Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> · Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> · Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> · Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> · George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
> · Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
but
> received a 311.
> · Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> · Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> · John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air

Medal

> with 18 Clusters.
> · Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
> Raoul Wallenberg.
> · Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
> Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
> · John Dingell: WWII vet
> · John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea
>
>
> Republicans
>
> · Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> · Tom Delay: did not serve.
> · House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> · Bill Frist: did not serve.
> · Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> · George Pataki: did not serve.
> · Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> · Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> · Trent Lott: did not serve.
> · Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
> marriage.
> · John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach

business.

> · Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> · Karl Rove: did not serve.
> · Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who

attacked

> Max Cleland's patriotism.
> · Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> · Vin Weber: did not serve.
> · Richard Perle: did not serve.
> · Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> · Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> · Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> · Jon Kyl: did not serve.
> · Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> · Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> · Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> · Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
> instructor.
> · George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
> records).
> · Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat

role

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

> making movies.
> · Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
> · Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> · John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
> Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> · Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
> · Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
> · Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
> · J.C. Watts: did not serve.
> · Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> · George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
> · Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
> · Antonin Scalia: did not serve
> · Clarence Thomas: did not serve
>
>
>
> Pundits and Preachers
>
> · Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> · Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> · Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> · Michael Savage: did not serve.
> · George Will: did not serve.
> · Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> · Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> · Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> · Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> · Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> · Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> · Michael Medved: did not serve.

#4

Sorry if the truth list looks like something put together by someone
with an agenda. Got truth??

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> A list of records.
> Just to set the record straight:

Looks like a listing put together by Michael Moore in his futile
attempt to make believe it makes any difference who serves where

or

how. If this critic list is true, it sort of makes you wonder how

and

why the Veterans and current military families OVERWHELMINGLY

voted

for GWB! Could it possibly be that the typical American has THEIR

OWN

BRAIN that's capable of seeing the incredible progress made since
that degenerate Clinton left office? Let's face it. Kerry

supporters

had the mainstream of do-nothing hippies, freelancers looking for

a

free ride to anywhere, queers trying to destroy the sanctity of

what

marriage is all about with a mutated approach to love, and actors

&

musicians who never left the 60's with no political or

International

wherewithall. Imagine Sean Penn as Secretary of Defense! What

about

Ed Asner as Director of Int'l. Affairs?! And Madonna and Bono as

the

First Couple of the USA! Come on, get real with all this. We're in

a

real life struggle with muslim terrorists who eventually will be
exterminated, and the dems just aren't up to the task.

> Democrats
>
> · Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> · David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> · Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> · Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an

army

> journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> · Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> · Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> · John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
> Combat V Purple Hearts.
> · John Edwards: did not serve.
> · Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> · Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
> Vietnam.
> · Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
> · Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> · Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-

91.

> · Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze

Star

> and seven campaign ribbons.
> · Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
> Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> · Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver

Star

> and Legion of Merit.
> · Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> · Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
> BronzeStar with Combat V.
> · Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> · Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> · Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> · Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> · George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
> · Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
but
> received a 311.
> · Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> · Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> · John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air

Medal

> with 18 Clusters.
> · Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
> Raoul Wallenberg.
> · Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
> Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
> · John Dingell: WWII vet
> · John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea
>
>
> Republicans
>
> · Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> · Tom Delay: did not serve.
> · House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> · Bill Frist: did not serve.
> · Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> · George Pataki: did not serve.
> · Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> · Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> · Trent Lott: did not serve.
> · Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
> marriage.
> · John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach

business.

> · Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> · Karl Rove: did not serve.
> · Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who

attacked

> Max Cleland's patriotism.
> · Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> · Vin Weber: did not serve.
> · Richard Perle: did not serve.
> · Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> · Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> · Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> · Jon Kyl: did not serve.
> · Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> · Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> · Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> · Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
> instructor.
> · George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
> records).
> · Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat

role

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

> making movies.
> · Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
> · Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> · John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
> Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> · Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
> · Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
> · Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
> · J.C. Watts: did not serve.
> · Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> · George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
> · Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
> · Antonin Scalia: did not serve
> · Clarence Thomas: did not serve
>
>
>
> Pundits and Preachers
>
> · Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> · Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> · Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> · Michael Savage: did not serve.
> · George Will: did not serve.
> · Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> · Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> · Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> · Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> · Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> · Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> · Michael Medved: did not serve.

#5

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:

Not a tough question for anyone. Remember how Saddam paid $25k openly
to Palestinian suicide bombers' families when they blew themselves
and Isrealis up? He also used WMD on his citizens and killed over
100,000 of them as well as utilized torture chambers and rape rooms.
You think a monster like that should be allowed to continue on? This
resume alone made it imperative to rid the world of him and his
moronic sons, and that same resume of terror and capability made it
obvious he would do, was doing, and always wanted to do whatever he
could and whenever he was able, to get his killing methods
transferred over to the USA. Somehow that goes through the holes in
democratic heads.

I am one in favor of attacking Saudi Arabia as payback and as a
lesson to control their freaks, but there are a whole pile of
politics in the way that none of us are privy to. North Korea isn't
in the same boat as Syria and Iran. Those two gems support Islamic
extremists, allow them to live there, and allow them to operate
terrorists activities from Damascus & Tehran. And Iran, with their
open nuclear research ongoing when they will never use any of it for
electric power, will be stopped one way or the other now that the
election is over (and the constant Kerry and that fool Edwards'
blinded criticizm in the media is done and over). N. Korea is simply
a threat to all of Asia, and they know if they step out of line with
ANY largescale military action with WMD, their country would no
longer exist.

Freedom wasn't realized on a smooth road, and maintaining it is a
tough chore. But if the right people aren't there, it'll disappear
before our eyes. Kerry and all his hippy/homo/freelance/liberal
followers, as I said, would rather beg OBL and Saddam to stop after
they attack us again than wipe them and their kind out. That would be
a slap in the face of those who constructed our Constitution. And
it'll never happen. Thank God for GWB.

OK smart guy. I will ask you again. What did Iraq have to do with
terrorism in the USA? We would have been better served by attacking
Saudi Arabia (where almost all of the 9/11 terrorists came from),
Iran, Syria or even North Korea. And certainly better served by
finishing the job in Afghanistan. Spout all the rhetoric you want.
This country is in big trouble and we are in for an extremely

bumpy

···

ride.

#6

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:

Sorry if the truth list looks like something put together by

someone with an agenda. Got truth??

Yup. I'd like to see a complete list compiled by Condoleza Rice. But
then again why would anyone do that? Military service of any kind
qualifies no one for leading countries. It's all based on VALUES.
Moore has none, Kerry little. He's all show and no go--as we've seen
Tues.

>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
> <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> > A list of records.
> > Just to set the record straight:
>
> Looks like a listing put together by Michael Moore in his futile
> attempt to make believe it makes any difference who serves where
or
> how. If this critic list is true, it sort of makes you wonder how
and
> why the Veterans and current military families OVERWHELMINGLY
voted
> for GWB! Could it possibly be that the typical American has THEIR
OWN
> BRAIN that's capable of seeing the incredible progress made since
> that degenerate Clinton left office? Let's face it. Kerry
supporters
> had the mainstream of do-nothing hippies, freelancers looking for
a
> free ride to anywhere, queers trying to destroy the sanctity of
what
> marriage is all about with a mutated approach to love, and actors
&
> musicians who never left the 60's with no political or
International
> wherewithall. Imagine Sean Penn as Secretary of Defense! What
about
> Ed Asner as Director of Int'l. Affairs?! And Madonna and Bono as
the
> First Couple of the USA! Come on, get real with all this. We're

in

a
> real life struggle with muslim terrorists who eventually will be
> exterminated, and the dems just aren't up to the task.
>
> > Democrats
> >
> > · Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> > · David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> > · Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> > · Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an
army
> > journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> > · Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> > · Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> > · John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
> > Combat V Purple Hearts.
> > · John Edwards: did not serve.
> > · Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> > · Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze

Star,

> > Vietnam.
> > · Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
> > · Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> > · Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-
91.
> > · Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze
Star
> > and seven campaign ribbons.
> > · Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs,

Bronze

> > Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> > · Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver
Star
> > and Legion of Merit.
> > · Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> > · Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
> > BronzeStar with Combat V.
> > · Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> > · Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> > · Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> > · Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> > · George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
> > · Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered

draft

> but
> > received a 311.
> > · Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> > · Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> > · John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air
Medal
> > with 18 Clusters.
> > · Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
> > Raoul Wallenberg.
> > · Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam,

Purple

> > Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
> > · John Dingell: WWII vet
> > · John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea
> >
> >
> > Republicans
> >
> > · Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> > · Tom Delay: did not serve.
> > · House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> > · Bill Frist: did not serve.
> > · Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> > · George Pataki: did not serve.
> > · Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> > · Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> > · Trent Lott: did not serve.
> > · Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
> > marriage.
> > · John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach
business.
> > · Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> > · Karl Rove: did not serve.
> > · Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who
attacked
> > Max Cleland's patriotism.
> > · Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> > · Vin Weber: did not serve.
> > · Richard Perle: did not serve.
> > · Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> > · Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> > · Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> > · Jon Kyl: did not serve.
> > · Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> > · Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> > · Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> > · Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
> > instructor.
> > · George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment

(incomplete

> > records).
> > · Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat
role
> > making movies.
> > · Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
> > · Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> > · John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,

Purple

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
> > Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> > · Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
> > · Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
> > · Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
> > · J.C. Watts: did not serve.
> > · Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> > · George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
> > · Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
> > · Antonin Scalia: did not serve
> > · Clarence Thomas: did not serve
> >
> >
> >
> > Pundits and Preachers
> >
> > · Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> > · Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> > · Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> > · Michael Savage: did not serve.
> > · George Will: did not serve.
> > · Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> > · Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> > · Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> > · Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> > · Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> > · Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> > · Michael Medved: did not serve.

#7

One could come to the conclusion from your list that service in
Vietnam causes the mental illness known as liberalism.
Signs of the horrible disease are believing that,
1)Pulling a baby feet first from a womb and sucking it's brains out
is a woman choice.
2)Sticking a gerbil up your boyfriends butt is an alternative
lifestyle
3)Everyone is entitled to everything
4)Taking money from the producers in a society and giving it to the
non-producers is compassion.
5)Any war can be won with a summit and three stanzas of Kum By Yah

A list of records.
Just to set the record straight:

Democrats

· Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
· David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
· Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
· Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
· Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
· Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
· John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
Combat V Purple Hearts.
· John Edwards: did not serve.
· Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
· Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
· Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
· Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
· Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
· Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star
and seven campaign ribbons.
· Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
· Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
· Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
· Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
BronzeStar with Combat V.
· Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
· Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
· Chuck Robb: Vietnam
· Howell Heflin: Silver Star
· George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
· Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft

but

···

received a 311.
· Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
· Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
· John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal
with 18 Clusters.
· Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
Raoul Wallenberg.
· Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
· John Dingell: WWII vet
· John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

· Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
· Tom Delay: did not serve.
· House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
· Bill Frist: did not serve.
· Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
· George Pataki: did not serve.
· Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
· Rick Santorum: did not serve.
· Trent Lott: did not serve.
· Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
· John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
· Jeb Bush: did not serve.
· Karl Rove: did not serve.
· Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max Cleland's patriotism.
· Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
· Vin Weber: did not serve.
· Richard Perle: did not serve.
· Douglas Feith: did not serve.
· Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
· Richard Shelby: did not serve.
· Jon Kyl: did not serve.
· Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
· Christopher Cox: did not serve.
· Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
· Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
· George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
records).
· Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
· Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
· Phil Gramm: did not serve.
· John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
· Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
· Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
· Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
· J.C. Watts: did not serve.
· Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
· George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
· Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
· Antonin Scalia: did not serve
· Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

· Sean Hannity: did not serve.
· Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
· Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
· Michael Savage: did not serve.
· George Will: did not serve.
· Chris Matthews: did not serve.
· Paul Gigot: did not serve.
· Bill Bennett: did not serve.
· Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
· Bill Kristol: did not serve.
· Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
· Michael Medved: did not serve.

#8

I forgot. The three stanzas of Kum By Yah have to be sung by Kofi
Anan with the full body of the UN humming harmony.>

A list of records.
Just to set the record straight:

Democrats

· Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
· David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
· Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
· Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
· Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
· Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
· John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
Combat V Purple Hearts.
· John Edwards: did not serve.
· Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
· Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
· Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
· Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
· Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
· Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star
and seven campaign ribbons.
· Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
· Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
· Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
· Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
BronzeStar with Combat V.
· Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
· Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
· Chuck Robb: Vietnam
· Howell Heflin: Silver Star
· George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
· Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft

but

···

received a 311.
· Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
· Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
· John Glenn: Officer, USAF. WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal
with 18 Clusters.
· Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
Raoul Wallenberg.
· Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple
Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
· John Dingell: WWII vet
· John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans

· Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
· Tom Delay: did not serve.
· House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
· Bill Frist: did not serve.
· Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
· George Pataki: did not serve.
· Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
· Rick Santorum: did not serve.
· Trent Lott: did not serve.
· Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
· John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
· Jeb Bush: did not serve.
· Karl Rove: did not serve.
· Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max Cleland's patriotism.
· Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
· Vin Weber: did not serve.
· Richard Perle: did not serve.
· Douglas Feith: did not serve.
· Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
· Richard Shelby: did not serve.
· Jon Kyl: did not serve.
· Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
· Christopher Cox: did not serve.
· Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
· Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
· George W. Bush: six-year National Guard commitment (incomplete
records).
· Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
· Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
· Phil Gramm: did not serve.
· John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
· Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Two purple hearts.
· Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam.
· Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
· J.C. Watts: did not serve.
· Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
· George H. W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
· Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
· Antonin Scalia: did not serve
· Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

· Sean Hannity: did not serve.
· Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
· Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
· Michael Savage: did not serve.
· George Will: did not serve.
· Chris Matthews: did not serve.
· Paul Gigot: did not serve.
· Bill Bennett: did not serve.
· Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
· Bill Kristol: did not serve.
· Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
· Michael Medved: did not serve.

#9

He also used WMD on his citizens and killed over

100,000 of them as well as utilized torture chambers and rape

rooms.

You think a monster like that should be allowed to continue on?

Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
American troops "You think a monster like that should be allowed to
continue on?"?

There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you think
the US should be the worlds' police force? Finally, how has the war
in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism in the US?

Dick

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#10

Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
American troops "You think a monster like that should be allowed to
continue on?"?

It's called the sacrifices paid by people as their country enters
democracy & freedom - and an end to the barbaric torture, rape,
intimidation, and the massive killing of their own citizens by a
ruthless dictator. The difference is, GWB cares about human life and
you know that. Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.

There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you think
the US should be the worlds' police force?

"World's Police Force" is the term often used by those who cannot
figure out if what we're doing is right or not. While I'm no fan of
the term, I believe it is our duty and we are expected to as the lone
superpower, to do whatever we can to save this world without using
our own massive nuclear power first. You can't do it all at once
conventionally, so it's one step at a time. Right now it's Iraq. If
we went in there to 'kill 100,000 people' as you infer above, then we
wouldn't be sacraficing our own just to set up a democracy so those
people can live a decent lives. Monsters don't care. They attack and
leave.

Finally, how has the war in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism in

the US?

If you don't know that by now, you'll never realize or accept an
explanation. Have you seen any further attacks on US soil since 9-11?
Iraq is militarily being utilized as a terrorist magnet. The US
Gov't.'s strategy there is working and terrorists are too blind to
see it. You'll never get rid of them all, but drawing in as many from
the surrounding countries (and they DO let many of them in for this
purpose) allows for us to exterminate big groups. You never really
read about this or us killing hundreds of them in one battle because
the liberal US media chooses to concentrate on every time a US
soldier dies or a car bomb goes off killing 6 civilians in order to
make GWB appear to be a 'monster'. Just think about it: RPG's vs.
what we have? But it happens all the time. The Falluja operation is
too big to smother, so the media is forced to tell us about it. Watch
what happens in the next week or so. If 70 US soldiers/Marines die,
THAT will be the headline.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#11

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
> American troops "You think a monster like that should be allowed

to

> continue on?"?

It's called the sacrifices paid by people as their country enters
democracy & freedom - and an end to the barbaric torture, rape,
intimidation, and the massive killing of their own citizens by a
ruthless dictator.

I'm sure Saddam considered those he killed enemies as well. It did
not justify his massacres ... Nor, does GWBs.

The difference is, GWB cares about human life and
you know that.

I don't know that. I believe GWB cares mainly about personal power
and corporate profits and started the war to create instability that
would raise oil prices. He succeeded! The fact that he thought the
war could be won without significant loss of American life is just
one more reason not to trust the man.

Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.

Are you somehow indicating that Saddam had the resources to take on
the world as Hitler did? Pllllleeeeaassssse!!!!!!

>There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you

think

>the US should be the worlds' police force?

"World's Police Force" is the term often used by those who cannot
figure out if what we're doing is right or not. While I'm no fan of
the term, I believe it is our duty and we are expected to as the

lone

superpower, to do whatever we can to save this world without using
our own massive nuclear power first.

You clearly need a history lesson. When any FOREIGN power attempts to
dictate policy to others through force the locals end up hating them.
Even when the intents are humane. PERIOD.

You can't do it all at once
conventionally, so it's one step at a time. Right now it's Iraq. If
we went in there to 'kill 100,000 people' as you infer above, then

we

wouldn't be sacraficing our own just to set up a democracy so those
people can live a decent lives. Monsters don't care. They attack

and

leave.

Do you believe everything you hear from Rush's mouth. Try thinking
for yourself once in awhile. And, if you think our primary goal was
to set up a democracy then you are beyond help ...

>Finally, how has the war in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism

in

the US?

If you don't know that by now, you'll never realize or accept an
explanation.

In other words you have no idea. The fact is it hasn't.

Have you seen any further attacks on US soil since 9-11?

Could it be our increased emphasis on homeland security and going
after Osama so he doesn't have the ability to sit around and plan new
attacks? Could be ....

Iraq is militarily being utilized as a terrorist magnet. The US
Gov't.'s strategy there is working and terrorists are too blind to
see it.

It goes way beyond that. The war is CREATING thousands of NEW
terrorists where none existed. If you really believe the war in Iraq
has reduced the terrorist threat then you are so utterly naive that
nothing I say could possibly help.

You'll never get rid of them all, but drawing in as many from
the surrounding countries (and they DO let many of them in for this
purpose)

BS. If we saw them and knew they were terrorists, we would take care
of them right then and there.

allows for us to exterminate big groups. You never really
read about this or us killing hundreds of them in one battle

because

the liberal US media chooses to concentrate on every time a US
soldier dies or a car bomb goes off killing 6 civilians in order to
make GWB appear to be a 'monster'. Just think about it: RPG's vs.
what we have? But it happens all the time. The Falluja operation is
too big to smother, so the media is forced to tell us about it.

Watch

what happens in the next week or so. If 70 US soldiers/Marines die,
THAT will be the headline.

Of course, blame the media when things get out of hand. Like, there's
no one in the media with conservative leanings. You really do believe
EVERYTHING Rush says don't you.

You need to realize that being a conservative when a conservative is
in power does not mean you shouldn't think for yourself.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#12

I'm sure Saddam considered those he killed enemies as well. It did
not justify his massacres ... Nor, does GWBs.

Those 'enemies' as you call them were Iraqi citizens, and they were
not a threat to him by any stretch. They simply had different
political opinions.

I don't know that. I believe GWB cares mainly about personal power
and corporate profits and started the war to create instability that
would raise oil prices. He succeeded! The fact that he thought the
war could be won without significant loss of American life is just
one more reason not to trust the man.

Yeah, yeah, we've heard all those lies over and over in the campaign.
That's why you lost. The fact that you forgot we were attacked is
amazing. I know you can't comprehend that Saddam supported terrorism
and that GWB warned those regimes would come down. But how do you
know his thoughts? He's said many times what democrats just can't
seem to remember: "It will be a long, difficult war, and it will not
be easy losing American lives in the process". What's further
surprising about the critics is that first, they for some reason are
unwilling to accept the sacrifice of Americans in the pursuit of
freedom from terrorism; and secondly, the loose use of the
word 'significant' frequently appears in a statement such as yours.
Out of one side of a democrat's mouth, ONE lost life is significant.
When we were at 450, THAT was significant. Now 'over a thousand' is
significant. So just what do you consider half-a-million in other
wars to be??

> Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
> been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.

Are you somehow indicating that Saddam had the resources to take on
the world as Hitler did? Pllllleeeeaassssse!!!!!!

Hitler did not 'take on the world'. His aspirations were in Europe.
Beyond that no one really knows, regardless of what was said. You
haven't yet figured out that we're in a different kind of war, and
that's yet ANOTHER reason why you lost. The US was attacked. Spain
was attacked. Indonisia was attacked. See a pattern yet?
   

You clearly need a history lesson. When any FOREIGN power attempts
to dictate policy to others through force the locals end up hating
them. Even when the intents are humane. PERIOD.

Ain't that way in Afghanastan. Ain't that way in Iraq (I've been
there, & I know this, so please don't repeat what the Washington Post
or NY Times wants readers to believe). Germany & Japan are kind of
nice places now, are they not?

Do you believe everything you hear from Rush's mouth. Try thinking
for yourself once in awhile. And, if you think our primary goal was
to set up a democracy then you are beyond help ...
  
I have never listened to Rush in my life, and I don't trust anyone
having anything to do with drugs if the allegations are true.

> Have you seen any further attacks on US soil since 9-11?

Could it be our increased emphasis on homeland security and going
after Osama so he doesn't have the ability to sit around and plan

new attacks? Could be ....

Duh! And his terrorists are where?

> Iraq is militarily being utilized as a terrorist magnet. The US
> Gov't.'s strategy there is working and terrorists are too blind

to see it.

It goes way beyond that. The war is CREATING thousands of NEW
terrorists where none existed.

Yeah, yeah, we heard all that baloney in the campaign too. Another
reason why you lost. Kofi Anan agrees with you too. So doesn't
Michael Moore and Sting. You've also got Madonna and Tim Robbins and
Bill Clinton on your side. And if you go after Monica Lewinsky you'd
have a pair that'll beat any full house.

If you really believe the war in Iraq

has reduced the terrorist threat then you are so utterly naive that
nothing I say could possibly help.

And guess where I am on that one.

BS. If we saw them and knew they were terrorists, we would take
care of them right then and there.

You missed the point. 'Taking care' of them then and there is not a
viable military strategy in terrorism, nor does it generate any
intelligence gathering. Use your head this time, because I can't say
anything further.

Of course, blame the media when things get out of hand. Like,

there's no one in the media with conservative leanings. You really do
believe EVERYTHING Rush says don't you.

I think Fox is moderately conservative. Moderately. ABC/CNN/NBC/CBS
are ultra-liberal. They are a waste of time because of that, and
that's why their ratings are sharply falling and Dan 'communist'
Rather had to lie to get a story out recently.

You need to realize that being a liberal when a conservative is in
power does not mean you shouldn't think for yourself.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#13

Very well expressed,Dick. I totally agree with you!

···

----- Original Message -----
    From: rgmustain
    To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:59 AM
    Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Veteran Status

    --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

    He also used WMD on his citizens and killed over
    > 100,000 of them as well as utilized torture chambers and rape
    rooms.
    > You think a monster like that should be allowed to continue on?

    Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
    American troops "You think a monster like that should be allowed to
    continue on?"?

    There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you think
    the US should be the worlds' police force? Finally, how has the war
    in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism in the US?

    Dick

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#14

>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
>
> > Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
> > American troops "You think a monster like that should be

allowed

to
> > continue on?"?
>
> It's called the sacrifices paid by people as their country enters
> democracy & freedom - and an end to the barbaric torture, rape,
> intimidation, and the massive killing of their own citizens by a
> ruthless dictator.

I'm sure Saddam considered those he killed enemies as well. It did
not justify his massacres ... Nor, does GWBs.

> The difference is, GWB cares about human life and
> you know that.

I don't know that. I believe GWB cares mainly about personal power
and corporate profits and started the war to create instability

that

would raise oil prices. He succeeded! The fact that he thought the
war could be won without significant loss of American life is just
one more reason not to trust the man.

Right. GWB created instability to raise prices. By doing this he
could have gas over $2 a gallon, slow down the economy, and have
everyone mad at him come election time.(/sarcasm off)
That is the most ignorant statement i've heard in a long time.

> Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
> been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.

Are you somehow indicating that Saddam had the resources to take on
the world as Hitler did? Pllllleeeeaassssse!!!!!!

If left alone he had the ability to blackmail the Middle East and
control 2/3 of the worlds oil. This was more power than Hitler ever
dreamed of. He could have brought the worlds economy to a halt. What
would you do then blame Halliburton?
Now I'm sure you being the good liberal that you are power your Subaru
with a windmill on the roof and solar panel backups on the trunk.
The rest of us depend on oil for little things like tranportation and
making sure all the goods we consume and produce make it to the
market.
You should concentrate on crunching numbers for EV on VP machines.
Leave the important things to the 51 percent of this country that had
the vision of the problems we face.
To the other 49 percent of idiots that see things as you do should
shut up
and count. You're stupidity is really beginning to get annoying. >

>
> >There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you
think
> >the US should be the worlds' police force?
>
> "World's Police Force" is the term often used by those who cannot
> figure out if what we're doing is right or not. While I'm no fan

of

> the term, I believe it is our duty and we are expected to as the
lone
> superpower, to do whatever we can to save this world without

using

> our own massive nuclear power first.

You clearly need a history lesson. When any FOREIGN power attempts

to

dictate policy to others through force the locals end up hating

them.

Even when the intents are humane. PERIOD.

> You can't do it all at once
> conventionally, so it's one step at a time. Right now it's Iraq.

If

> we went in there to 'kill 100,000 people' as you infer above,

then

we
> wouldn't be sacraficing our own just to set up a democracy so

those

> people can live a decent lives. Monsters don't care. They attack
and
> leave.

Do you believe everything you hear from Rush's mouth. Try thinking
for yourself once in awhile. And, if you think our primary goal was
to set up a democracy then you are beyond help ...

>
> >Finally, how has the war in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism
in
> the US?
>
> If you don't know that by now, you'll never realize or accept an
> explanation.

In other words you have no idea. The fact is it hasn't.

> Have you seen any further attacks on US soil since 9-11?

Could it be our increased emphasis on homeland security and going
after Osama so he doesn't have the ability to sit around and plan

new

attacks? Could be ....

> Iraq is militarily being utilized as a terrorist magnet. The US
> Gov't.'s strategy there is working and terrorists are too blind

to

> see it.

It goes way beyond that. The war is CREATING thousands of NEW
terrorists where none existed. If you really believe the war in

Iraq

has reduced the terrorist threat then you are so utterly naive that
nothing I say could possibly help.

> You'll never get rid of them all, but drawing in as many from
> the surrounding countries (and they DO let many of them in for

this

> purpose)

BS. If we saw them and knew they were terrorists, we would take

care

of them right then and there.

> allows for us to exterminate big groups. You never really
> read about this or us killing hundreds of them in one battle
because
> the liberal US media chooses to concentrate on every time a US
> soldier dies or a car bomb goes off killing 6 civilians in order

to

> make GWB appear to be a 'monster'. Just think about it: RPG's vs.
> what we have? But it happens all the time. The Falluja operation

is

> too big to smother, so the media is forced to tell us about it.
Watch
> what happens in the next week or so. If 70 US soldiers/Marines

die,

> THAT will be the headline.

Of course, blame the media when things get out of hand. Like,

there's

no one in the media with conservative leanings. You really do

believe

EVERYTHING Rush says don't you.

You need to realize that being a conservative when a conservative

is

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
in power does not mean you shouldn't think for yourself.

#15

All this says is that there'a another person out there who has to
live with the fact that their country doesn't agree with them.

  Very well expressed,Dick. I totally agree with you!

    From: rgmustain
    Now GWB has killed over 100,000 in Iraq, including over 1,000
    American troops "You think a monster like that should be

allowed to continue on?"?

    There are many other "monsters" out there in the world. Do you

think the US should be the worlds' police force? Finally, how has the
war in Iraq reduced the threat of terrorism in the US?

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "seussman" <dlvseuss@c...> wrote:

    ----- Original Message -----

#16

> I don't know that. I believe GWB cares mainly about personal

power

> and corporate profits and started the war to create instability
that
> would raise oil prices. He succeeded! The fact that he thought

the

> war could be won without significant loss of American life is

just

> one more reason not to trust the man.

Right. GWB created instability to raise prices. By doing this he
could have gas over $2 a gallon, slow down the economy, and have
everyone mad at him come election time.(/sarcasm off)
That is the most ignorant statement i've heard in a long time.

I'm sure the plan was the war would be over long before the next
election and gas prices would stablise. It's too bad you can't or
won't think for yourself. But then anyone who'd think Rob was someone
to idolize can't be too bright to begin with ...

>
> > Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
> > been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.
>
> Are you somehow indicating that Saddam had the resources to take

on

> the world as Hitler did? Pllllleeeeaassssse!!!!!!

If left alone he had the ability to blackmail the Middle East and
control 2/3 of the worlds oil. This was more power than Hitler ever
dreamed of. He could have brought the worlds economy to a halt.

If he made aggressive moves, as in the Gulf war, then we would have
had no problem putting together a true alliance of world powers
including other Muslim nations to stop him. That would have elimiated
many of the hatred the US faces today in the Millde East. Saddam knew
that. You really need to understand more before running off at the
mouth.

What
would you do then blame Halliburton?
Now I'm sure you being the good liberal

Who ever said I was a Liberal??? Never have been, never will be.
However, I don't just accept party rhetoric and everything Rush says
like a lot of rather stupid conservatives.

that you are power your Subaru
with a windmill on the roof and solar panel backups on the trunk.
The rest of us depend on oil for little things like tranportation

and

making sure all the goods we consume and produce make it to the
market.
You should concentrate on crunching numbers for EV on VP machines.
Leave the important things to the 51 percent of this country that

had

the vision of the problems we face.

Once again you chose to show your utter stupidity. Have to bothered
to spend anytime reading over the analysis of the election??? Clearly
not. The main reason for GWBs victory was the view that he was more
MORAL than Kerry.

To the other 49 percent of idiots that see things as you do should
shut up
and count. You're stupidity is really beginning to get annoying.

I'm sure the facts are annoying to those who like to sit around
comfortably in their own delusions. Oh, by the way, GWB did NOT get
51% of the votes of all ELIGIBLE voters. Some people found NEITHER
candidate acceptable.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:

#17

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I'm sure Saddam considered those he killed enemies as well. It

did

> not justify his massacres ... Nor, does GWBs.

Those 'enemies' as you call them were Iraqi citizens, and they were
not a threat to him by any stretch. They simply had different
political opinions.

You have no idea do you? The Kurds were continually looking to
overthrow Saddam or form their own separate country. They were as
much his enemies as the North/South in our own civil war. And, don't
take this as any kind of justification of Saddams' actions. The world
is a better place without him. We just went about it all wrong.

>
>I don't know that. I believe GWB cares mainly about personal power
>and corporate profits and started the war to create instability

that

>would raise oil prices. He succeeded! The fact that he thought the
>war could be won without significant loss of American life is just
>one more reason not to trust the man.

Yeah, yeah, we've heard all those lies over and over in the

campaign.

That's why you lost.

Actually, I lost no matter who won and for your information I've been
saying this for a year and a half. Long before Kerry and the liberals
picked up on it. Back then the liberals were standing around in
demonstations with placards stating we were at war to steal the oil.
I could only laugh in amazement. It was idiotic.

However, I'm truly amazed Kerry didn't make more of this politically.
It's no wonder he lost the election.

The fact that you forgot we were attacked is
amazing. I know you can't comprehend that Saddam supported

terrorism

Against Israel, yes. It was one of his ways of getting support from
the people. He did not support Bin Laden. Or, have you personally
uncovered evidence not yet made available to the general public???

and that GWB warned those regimes would come down. But how do you
know his thoughts? He's said many times what democrats just can't
seem to remember: "It will be a long, difficult war, and it will

not

be easy losing American lives in the process". What's further
surprising about the critics is that first, they for some reason

are

unwilling to accept the sacrifice of Americans in the pursuit of
freedom from terrorism; and secondly, the loose use of the
word 'significant' frequently appears in a statement such as yours.
Out of one side of a democrat's mouth, ONE lost life is

significant.

When we were at 450, THAT was significant. Now 'over a thousand' is
significant. So just what do you consider half-a-million in other
wars to be??

The problem is that they are almost ALL American lives. All GWB had
to do is wait until Saddam made some kind of aggressive action (like
the gulf war) and he could have put together an alliance that
included other Muslim nations and would have avoided the backlash of
hatred against the US. We have yet to pay this price, but believe me,
we will.

>
> > Saddam never did. And left unchecked, he would have
> > been another Hitler. We did learn from WWII.
>
> Are you somehow indicating that Saddam had the resources to take

on

> the world as Hitler did? Pllllleeeeaassssse!!!!!!

Hitler did not 'take on the world'.

As usual you avoided my point entirely. Do you really think Saddam
presented a military threat on the same level that Germany did in the
1940s???

His aspirations were in Europe.
Beyond that no one really knows, regardless of what was said. You
haven't yet figured out that we're in a different kind of war, and
that's yet ANOTHER reason why you lost. The US was attacked. Spain
was attacked. Indonisia was attacked. See a pattern yet?

Not by Iraq. See a pattern yet?

>You clearly need a history lesson. When any FOREIGN power attempts
>to dictate policy to others through force the locals end up hating
>them. Even when the intents are humane. PERIOD.

Ain't that way in Afghanastan. Ain't that way in Iraq (I've been
there, & I know this, so please don't repeat what the Washington

Post

or NY Times wants readers to believe). Germany & Japan are kind of
nice places now, are they not?

But we did not attack them to DICTATE policy. They attacked us. Big
difference. Please try to read with some degree of comprehension
before spouting off idiotic responses.

> Do you believe everything you hear from Rush's mouth. Try

thinking

> for yourself once in awhile. And, if you think our primary goal

was

> to set up a democracy then you are beyond help ...
  
I have never listened to Rush in my life, and I don't trust anyone
having anything to do with drugs if the allegations are true.

Good idea. However, it sounds like your getting your information from
the same sources he does.

> > Have you seen any further attacks on US soil since 9-11?
>
> Could it be our increased emphasis on homeland security and going
> after Osama so he doesn't have the ability to sit around and plan
new attacks? Could be ....

Duh! And his terrorists are where?

If you think they are ALL in Iraq then your "Duh!" reply fits your
thinking very well. The FACT is MOST of the terrorists in Iraq would
never have become terrorists without our invasion. GWB has created
them.

>
> > Iraq is militarily being utilized as a terrorist magnet. The US
> > Gov't.'s strategy there is working and terrorists are too blind
to see it.
>
> It goes way beyond that. The war is CREATING thousands of NEW
> terrorists where none existed.

Yeah, yeah, we heard all that baloney in the campaign too. Another
reason why you lost.

Like I said before I couldn't win. As a moderate conservative who
sees GWB for what he really is, I lost long before the election was
ever held.

Kofi Anan agrees with you too. So doesn't
Michael Moore and Sting. You've also got Madonna and Tim Robbins

and

Bill Clinton on your side. And if you go after Monica Lewinsky

you'd

have a pair that'll beat any full house.

I see you've lost your ability to think clearly and make any kind of
intelligent response.

If you really believe the war in Iraq
> has reduced the terrorist threat then you are so utterly naive

that

> nothing I say could possibly help.

And guess where I am on that one.

> BS. If we saw them and knew they were terrorists, we would take
>care of them right then and there.

You missed the point. 'Taking care' of them then and there is not a
viable military strategy in terrorism, nor does it generate any
intelligence gathering. Use your head this time, because I can't

say

anything further.

What an idiotic statement. If your statement had been focused on one
or two terrorist leaders then it may have some some merit. As a
general policy it would mean we've been gathering all kinds of
intelligence and then ignoring it so these terrorists can continually
kill Americans. Talk about not using your head. Don't get me wrong.
I'm sure we are trying to gather intelligence. It just has nothing to
do with your idiotic supposition. So please, follow your own advice
and don't "say anything further".

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#18

I'm sure the plan was the war would be over long before the next
election and gas prices would stablise. It's too bad you can't or
won't think for yourself. But then anyone who'd think Rob was
someone to idolize can't be too bright to begin with ...

I love the sour grapes....both with video poker expertise and the
election you lost, but if you had spent enough time LISTENING to the
news during the campaign instead of constantly going to that Indian
casino up there, you'd have heard every current administration member
say "It's not going to be easy, and it's going to be a long war". And
who in this country cares about gasoline prices anyway? (Oh, yes,
it's those 'advantage players' who drive all over town getting roped
into casino promotions, and too high a price at the pump would 'cut
into' their EV!" HA!

If he made aggressive moves, as in the Gulf war, then we would have
had no problem putting together a true alliance of world powers
including other Muslim nations to stop him. That would have
elimiated many of the hatred the US faces today in the Millde East.
Saddam knew that. You really need to understand more before running
off at the mouth.

Again, go back and check your facts before posting something
meaningless. Prior to 9-11 (and I mean on the day before) there were
22 deadly conflicts around the globe, and 19 of them were because
your friends the Muslims from the so-called 'religion of peace' were
the agressors against their either non-Muslim neighbors - or in a few
cases, their non-secular 'brothers'. And wherever their was terrorism
Saddam supported it. There's too much politics in the world today to
do anything but ask politely FIVE TIMES for a coalition, give the
inspectors FIFTEEN chances to inspect in Iraq, give a Dictator a
DOZEN opportunities to come clean, and wait for the useless Kofi Anan
to stop criticizing the US. The We face no more hatred now than we
did before, and there are tens of millions who've changed those
feelings over to support and thanks since we started building
democracy in Iraq. You keep parroting what Kerry used in his
platform, and it turned out to be wrong as well as the wrong
approach. At least Kerry stopped and we don't have to watch his puss
on the tube flapping the tongue aimlessly any longer. Why not follow
in your hero's footsteps??

The main reason for GWBs victory was the view that he was more
MORAL than Kerry.

HAHAHA! NOW you're willing to say that, but where was all that BEFORE
the election? Kerry pounded away on the war, terrorism, homeland
security, and even Cheney's gay daughter. Now, you people are left
holding his tainted bags, so it's onto "the view that GWB was more
moral than Kerry". HAHAHAHEHEHEHOHOHO!!! When can I stop the
laughter???

Oh, by the way, GWB did NOT get 51% of the votes of all ELIGIBLE
voters. Some people found NEITHER candidate acceptable.

More loser's sour grapes. If Kerry won by a teeny weeny percentage,
then your song and dance would have been a whole lot different. Get
over the devastating but not unexpected loss, and get back on the
road to the video poker machines that you can't stay away from.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#19

You have no idea do you? The Kurds were continually looking to
overthrow Saddam or form their own separate country. They were as
much his enemies as the North/South in our own civil war. And,
don't take this as any kind of justification of Saddams' actions.
The world is a better place without him. We just went about it all

wrong.

I am fully briefed on what the Kurds wanted. I also know they were
non-violent in the face of massive executions and bio-attacks from
Saddam. You yourself would love to overthrow Bush, but you won't
because you're non-violent, and GWB is not attacking those who think
like you.

Actually, I lost no matter who won and for your information I've

been saying this for a year and a half. Long before Kerry and the
liberals picked up on it. Back then the liberals were standing around
in demonstations with placards stating we were at war to steal the
oil. I could only laugh in amazement. It was idiotic.

Monday morning independents are popping up all over the country, so
you're a bit late on that one. No wonder Kerry was shocked at the
outcome.

Against Israel, yes. It was one of his ways of getting support from
the people. He did not support Bin Laden. Or, have you personally
uncovered evidence not yet made available to the general public???

Once more, disbeliever: Saddam supported terrorism....both directly
against Israel because that's the easy road for a coward like him to
take, and indirectly against us. It backfired. And yes, I did work
that issue, and others are now.

The problem is that they are almost ALL American lives. All GWB had
to do is wait until Saddam made some kind of aggressive action

(like the gulf war) and he could have put together an alliance that

included other Muslim nations and would have avoided the backlash

of hatred against the US. We have yet to pay this price, but believe
me, we will.

American live/coalition lives. They're all equal. The price of
freedom and the price of the removal of a dictator. The price of
searching for those WMD's that he sent to other friendly countries
(and the search will not stop in the Middle East until they are
found). Who cares about Muslim nations hating us. You believe the end-
all will be when we "pay the price" for supposedly creating hatred
towards us. Well guess what they have in store for them if even one
bio weapon or nuke goes off over here or in an ally country?

As usual you avoided my point entirely. Do you really think Saddam
presented a military threat on the same level that Germany did in

the 1940s???

Yes, and obviously greater. He had oil, and he had WMD's.

> His aspirations were in Europe.
> Beyond that no one really knows, regardless of what was said. You
> haven't yet figured out that we're in a different kind of war,

and

> that's yet ANOTHER reason why you lost. The US was attacked.

Spain

> was attacked. Indonisia was attacked. See a pattern yet?

Not by Iraq. See a pattern yet?

One only the blind couldn't see clearly. Iraq supported every action
by extremists. When you eventually come to realize that you will
support GWB and stop your whining.

    
But we did not attack them to DICTATE policy. They attacked us. Big
difference. Please try to read with some degree of comprehension
before spouting off idiotic responses.

You're just repeating what I said.

If you think they are ALL in Iraq then your "Duh!" reply fits your
thinking very well. The FACT is MOST of the terrorists in Iraq

would never have become terrorists without our invasion. GWB has
created them.

I kind of think I said they weren't all in Iraq, McFly. And the
terrorists in Iraq were terrorists before the war. Your position is a
Kerry/Moore/Edwards position that helped lose the election big time.
Most people here know better than you, and Nov. 2nd proved that.

Like I said before I couldn't win. As a moderate conservative who
sees GWB for what he really is, I lost long before the election was
ever held.

> Kofi Anan agrees with you too. So doesn't
> Michael Moore and Sting. You've also got Madonna and Tim Robbins
and
> Bill Clinton on your side. And if you go after Monica Lewinsky
you'd
> have a pair that'll beat any full house.

I see you've lost your ability to think clearly and make any kind

of intelligent response.

i'll leave that in again to show how dumb you get when you have no
answers.

What an idiotic statement. If your statement had been focused on

one or two terrorist leaders then it may have some some merit. As a

general policy it would mean we've been gathering all kinds of
intelligence and then ignoring it so these terrorists can

continually kill Americans. Talk about not using your head. Don't get
me wrong. I'm sure we are trying to gather intelligence. It just has
nothing to do with your idiotic supposition. So please, follow your
own advice and don't "say anything further".

On intelligence gathering, you have no idea. I'm kind of dealing with
density here when I'm dealing with you on this issue. Come to think
of it, you never made sense on vp either. Maybe you can cook?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#20

I couldn't find one single thing in your entire set of responses that
has any merit whatsoever. Just like in VP when confronted with facts
you throw out outrageous unproven suppostions like you really know
what's going on. It's obvious that you don't. You believe the entire
rest of the western world has no clue while your hero GWB knows it
all. No WMDs were found and never will be. However, your brick wall
intellect will never accept this, because then you'd have to admit
you were wrong. So, keep believing in the fairy WMDs and that Saddam
was some Hitler like threat. Historic evidence will continue to
support your ignorance.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> You have no idea do you? The Kurds were continually looking to
> overthrow Saddam or form their own separate country. They were as
> much his enemies as the North/South in our own civil war. And,
>don't take this as any kind of justification of Saddams' actions.
>The world is a better place without him. We just went about it all
wrong.

I am fully briefed on what the Kurds wanted. I also know they were
non-violent in the face of massive executions and bio-attacks from
Saddam. You yourself would love to overthrow Bush, but you won't
because you're non-violent, and GWB is not attacking those who

think

like you.

> Actually, I lost no matter who won and for your information I've
been saying this for a year and a half. Long before Kerry and the
liberals picked up on it. Back then the liberals were standing

around

in demonstations with placards stating we were at war to steal the
oil. I could only laugh in amazement. It was idiotic.

Monday morning independents are popping up all over the country, so
you're a bit late on that one. No wonder Kerry was shocked at the
outcome.
>
> Against Israel, yes. It was one of his ways of getting support

from

> the people. He did not support Bin Laden. Or, have you personally
> uncovered evidence not yet made available to the general public???

Once more, disbeliever: Saddam supported terrorism....both directly
against Israel because that's the easy road for a coward like him

to

take, and indirectly against us. It backfired. And yes, I did work
that issue, and others are now.
>
> The problem is that they are almost ALL American lives. All GWB

had

> to do is wait until Saddam made some kind of aggressive action
(like the gulf war) and he could have put together an alliance that
> included other Muslim nations and would have avoided the backlash
of hatred against the US. We have yet to pay this price, but

believe

me, we will.

American live/coalition lives. They're all equal. The price of
freedom and the price of the removal of a dictator. The price of
searching for those WMD's that he sent to other friendly countries
(and the search will not stop in the Middle East until they are
found). Who cares about Muslim nations hating us. You believe the

end-

all will be when we "pay the price" for supposedly creating hatred
towards us. Well guess what they have in store for them if even one
bio weapon or nuke goes off over here or in an ally country?

Millions of people will die because of one mans' decision. I suspect
you find that acceptable.

>
> As usual you avoided my point entirely. Do you really think

Saddam

> presented a military threat on the same level that Germany did in
the 1940s???

Yes, and obviously greater. He had oil, and he had WMD's.
>
> > His aspirations were in Europe.
> > Beyond that no one really knows, regardless of what was said.

You

> > haven't yet figured out that we're in a different kind of war,
and
> > that's yet ANOTHER reason why you lost. The US was attacked.
Spain
> > was attacked. Indonisia was attacked. See a pattern yet?
>
> Not by Iraq. See a pattern yet?

One only the blind couldn't see clearly. Iraq supported every

action

by extremists. When you eventually come to realize that you will
support GWB and stop your whining.
>
> But we did not attack them to DICTATE policy. They attacked us.

Big

> difference. Please try to read with some degree of comprehension
> before spouting off idiotic responses.

You're just repeating what I said.
>
> If you think they are ALL in Iraq then your "Duh!" reply fits

your

> thinking very well. The FACT is MOST of the terrorists in Iraq
would never have become terrorists without our invasion. GWB has
created them.

I kind of think I said they weren't all in Iraq, McFly. And the
terrorists in Iraq were terrorists before the war. Your position is

a

Kerry/Moore/Edwards position that helped lose the election big

time.

Most people here know better than you, and Nov. 2nd proved that.
>
> Like I said before I couldn't win. As a moderate conservative who
> sees GWB for what he really is, I lost long before the election

was

> ever held.
>
> > Kofi Anan agrees with you too. So doesn't
> > Michael Moore and Sting. You've also got Madonna and Tim

Robbins

> and
> > Bill Clinton on your side. And if you go after Monica Lewinsky
> you'd
> > have a pair that'll beat any full house.
>
> I see you've lost your ability to think clearly and make any kind
of intelligent response.

i'll leave that in again to show how dumb you get when you have no
answers.
>
> What an idiotic statement. If your statement had been focused on
one or two terrorist leaders then it may have some some merit. As a
> general policy it would mean we've been gathering all kinds of
> intelligence and then ignoring it so these terrorists can
continually kill Americans. Talk about not using your head. Don't

get

me wrong. I'm sure we are trying to gather intelligence. It just

has

nothing to do with your idiotic supposition. So please, follow your
own advice and don't "say anything further".

On intelligence gathering, you have no idea. I'm kind of dealing

with

density here when I'm dealing with you on this issue. Come to think
of it, you never made sense on vp either. Maybe you can cook?

So far, you have shown nothing but a complete lack of any
understanding. You ignore the facts and repeat old and worn GWB
administration rhetoric. Your hints that you somehow know more are as
ridiculous as your VP strategies.

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