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Venetian play requirements for rooms-Part 2

A while back I posted amessage about a Venetian offer of $200 free
play, $50 food comp and 2-3 room nights. I finally have made a
reservation to take them up for their offer and still didn't get
clear answer on the play requirement. First they said 6 hours X $3 a
spin. I said how about if play $5 token video poker. She said 6
hours. I said what about $1 token video poker, 6 hours. I said I'm
betting 5 times as much so shouldn't it be 1 and 1/2 hours. She put
me hold now comes back on and says 2 hours. I said how much coin-in
do you require. No reply. I will give them 15K coin a day. If their
not happy I will dispute the credit card charge and say they were
vague.

Here's how a casino should handle a promo. If you not happy with the
previous trip's play. No mail the customer or don't send any free
rooms with free play offers out. Don't play games with customers or
make veiled threats on the offer of charging $240 a night for the
room. Here's an even better way, state on the offer customer must
earn "x" number of slot card points or room will be charged a
proportionate amount to make up difference. They actually did spell
out to me on the phone how much they want if you play table games.
There is no dispute there, $200 average bet for 2 hours. That's
fine. I know if I sit at BJ table and make $200 average bet and play
2 hours there is no argument. I'm not responsible for speed of
dealer or if I play at full craps table and game is slow. All the
Pitboss cares about if I'm there for 2 hours and betting $200. Video
Poker you can play fast or slow. Some people only play 300 hands an
hour, others play 700 hands. That's the point.

I see that nothing has changed at the V regarding their unique and
confusing marketing offers. Similar complaints and discussion have
occurred in prior years on this message board and others.

Just to summarize: their play requirement for slots/VP is obviously
vague, inconsistent, and irrational ... it's primary goal is to scare
away any player looking to abuse the offer by not playing at all and
it also gives them carte blanche discretion for special situations of
their choosing.

Practically speaking ... it's an idle threat. Just relax, play your
normal game, and don't sweat it. And I speak from personal
experience.

In fact, follow their "time" recommendation and play SLOW. You would
think they'd be more interested in coin-in, but they are not.

I agree with your comments about promotions in general ... and offers
from the V are really player-unfriendly.

2-W

A while back I posted amessage about a Venetian offer of $200 free
play, $50 food comp and 2-3 room nights. I finally have made a
reservation to take them up for their offer and still didn't get
clear answer on the play requirement. First they said 6 hours X $3

a

spin. I said how about if play $5 token video poker. She said 6
hours. I said what about $1 token video poker, 6 hours. I said I'm
betting 5 times as much so shouldn't it be 1 and 1/2 hours. She put
me hold now comes back on and says 2 hours. I said how much coin-in
do you require. No reply. I will give them 15K coin a day. If their
not happy I will dispute the credit card charge and say they were
vague.

Here's how a casino should handle a promo. If you not happy with

the

previous trip's play. No mail the customer or don't send any free
rooms with free play offers out. Don't play games with customers or
make veiled threats on the offer of charging $240 a night for the
room. Here's an even better way, state on the offer customer must
earn "x" number of slot card points or room will be charged a
proportionate amount to make up difference. They actually did spell
out to me on the phone how much they want if you play table games.
There is no dispute there, $200 average bet for 2 hours. That's
fine. I know if I sit at BJ table and make $200 average bet and

play

2 hours there is no argument. I'm not responsible for speed of
dealer or if I play at full craps table and game is slow. All the
Pitboss cares about if I'm there for 2 hours and betting $200.

Video

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@y...> wrote:

Poker you can play fast or slow. Some people only play 300 hands an
hour, others play 700 hands. That's the point.

<<In fact, follow their "time" recommendation and play SLOW. You would
think they'd be more interested in coin-in, but they are not.>>

I can not emphasize too much how true this is. Take my word for it!!!!!

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  for VP software and strategy cards and for the
  Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
   need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."

-With $1 and up 9/6 jacks the only playable vp option (with 0.2 CB)
are bounce back cash and comps worth enough for a new customer to
establish play @ venetian?.
I know they once had some good promos. They also had a better
inventory = even .25 - 9/6 jacks at one of bars.

I know that BJ rules are slightly better than many on the strip

<<In fact, follow their "time" recommendation and play SLOW. You

would

think they'd be more interested in coin-in, but they are not.>>

I can not emphasize too much how true this is. Take my word for

it!!!!!

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:

________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards and for the
  Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
   need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."

I can also vouch for the comments below from personal experience. I
initally stayed at the Venetian from a company that is now defunct,
but offered free rooms and some comps for minimal time play. I think
my offer was something like ave. $3 bet 4 hours play which was vp or
slots and was total session ave. so you bet $5 for 2 hrs and $1 for
2hrs. When I initallly spoke with a host I asked him what he was
looking for in total coin-in and he just gave me a blank stare as if
he never heard of that way of calculating play. Time of play and
average bet is really important....bottom line I check with the host
later the first day to see if my play was on-track and he said I was
all set for the whole stay and up-graded me to gold card status...I
don't think I gave them all that much coin-in less than $10k i have
never had problems at V with comp offers.

I see that nothing has changed at the V regarding their unique and
confusing marketing offers. Similar complaints and discussion have
occurred in prior years on this message board and others.

Just to summarize: their play requirement for slots/VP is

obviously

vague, inconsistent, and irrational ... it's primary goal is to

scare

away any player looking to abuse the offer by not playing at all

and

it also gives them carte blanche discretion for special situations

of

their choosing.

Practically speaking ... it's an idle threat. Just relax, play

your

normal game, and don't sweat it. And I speak from personal
experience.

In fact, follow their "time" recommendation and play SLOW. You

would

think they'd be more interested in coin-in, but they are not.

I agree with your comments about promotions in general ... and

offers

from the V are really player-unfriendly.

2-W

>
> A while back I posted amessage about a Venetian offer of $200

free

> play, $50 food comp and 2-3 room nights. I finally have made a
> reservation to take them up for their offer and still didn't get
> clear answer on the play requirement. First they said 6 hours X

$3

a
> spin. I said how about if play $5 token video poker. She said 6
> hours. I said what about $1 token video poker, 6 hours. I said

I'm

> betting 5 times as much so shouldn't it be 1 and 1/2 hours. She

put

> me hold now comes back on and says 2 hours. I said how much coin-

in

> do you require. No reply. I will give them 15K coin a day. If

their

> not happy I will dispute the credit card charge and say they were
> vague.
>
> Here's how a casino should handle a promo. If you not happy with
the
> previous trip's play. No mail the customer or don't send any free
> rooms with free play offers out. Don't play games with customers

or

> make veiled threats on the offer of charging $240 a night for the
> room. Here's an even better way, state on the offer customer must
> earn "x" number of slot card points or room will be charged a
> proportionate amount to make up difference. They actually did

spell

> out to me on the phone how much they want if you play table

games.

> There is no dispute there, $200 average bet for 2 hours. That's
> fine. I know if I sit at BJ table and make $200 average bet and
play
> 2 hours there is no argument. I'm not responsible for speed of
> dealer or if I play at full craps table and game is slow. All the
> Pitboss cares about if I'm there for 2 hours and betting $200.
Video
> Poker you can play fast or slow. Some people only play 300 hands

an

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "2-WILD" <lucky4K@M...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@y...> wrote:
> hour, others play 700 hands. That's the point.