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Venetian offer play requirements

I was sent a 2 or 3 night suite offer, $200 freeplay, $50 food comp
but specifically stated that my credit card would be charged $240 if
I did not meet play requirements. What is the minimum coin in I
would have to put through not to be charged. They do not disclose
the amount on the offer.

It's really nice to be invited to a casino then threatened with room
charges. If you were a dollar video poker player and had to meet the
$30,000 coin per day as some suggest that's 6000 hands. For the
average tourist who doesn't play very fast that's 10 hours.

I play at some other casinos that are around the country that have
some serious action. If you give them $30K a day you not only get
the kitchen sink you get the whole damn house! The Venetian's CB
still gives them a nice profit on 9/6 even with perfect play. I
don't think threats are necessary as most players will give them a
decent amount of action and they will still come out ahead even with
a stiff now and then.

VpKing77 wrote:

I was sent a 2 or 3 night suite offer, $200 freeplay, $50 food comp
but specifically stated that my credit card would be charged $240 if
I did not meet play requirements. What is the minimum coin in I
would have to put through not to be charged. They do not disclose
the amount on the offer.

It's really nice to be invited to a casino then threatened with room
charges. If you were a dollar video poker player and had to meet the
$30,000 coin per day as some suggest that's 6000 hands. For the
average tourist who doesn't play very fast that's 10 hours.

I'll give you some dated advice (it's been about 2 years since my last
play there). Hopefully someone will follow with something more current.

Now, I'll assume that you have at least one previous visit to
Venetian, either a stay or simply a day visit, that generated this
offer. More details would be helpful for a stronger, more accurate reply.

Here's my experience with my first offer. I popped in on a day visit
while staying at another casino, giving them a couple hours of
leisurely $1 Jacks play -- total coin in a nominal $6500.

A couple months later I was thrilled (and astounded) to receive a 2
night offer with a modest free play/food credit offer -- but, like
you, I was very leary of the "sufficient play" stipulation. Along the
lines of Karen's advice, when I called to tentatively book I
thoroughly grilled the rep. to better understand that requirement.

What I was told was that I would be expected to meet my previous play
that qualified me for the offer. Very dubiously, I asked what that
would be and was indeed told that it was 2-1/4 hours at an average bet
of $4.23 (or something like that -- my wife had put in a little
short-pay $.25 play on my card as well). Stifling my astoundment I
asked, "And that'll satisfy the 2-night comp?". It would.

We arrived, bypassed the long lines by checking in at the Invited
Guest counter (or something like that) and promptly hit a machine. I
was playing at a decent clip this time and calculated that I had hit
the $6500 threshold in a little under 2 hours. I decided to call a
host on the house phone to see where I stood. I was told that I still
had some time to go to meet the time requirement, so I returned to the
machine and, play going very nicely, I continued play until I had
actually logged a little over 3 hours (judging from cashback, total
play was around $11500). I called once again and was told I was free
and clear.

Well, I didn't mind putting in some more play if it might generate a
bit in additional food comps, so this time I hit the host desk in the
casino to ask about what play would be necessary. I was told that I
was in on a marketing offer and that to qualify for additional comps
I'd have to meet their full play requirement for the room, something
like $24K per night, before I'd earned food comps.

Well, I have at least half a brain. I trooped out of the casino and,
while Bev lazed at the pool, headed for Bellagio for a couple hours of
play to see what that might generate in offers down the road. Play
went very nicely, ending with a modest net win. I actually gave them
about 4 hours (around $16K) play and scored a buffet for 2 on their
intro offer which we enjoyed for dinner that night (gleefully, and a
little humbly, sauntering past the long line with our line pass).

Well, to gloat a bit more, we spent the next day back at the Venetian
pool, barely able to contain a "cat that ate the canary" grin. After
some deliberation, and thoroughly spoiled, we decided to push our luck
and inquire about following with 2-nights at Bellagio -- foregoing our
2 night comp at Suncoast ... sorry, but the allure of FPDW out in the
"wilds" of Henderson was losing its appeal ;). A check with a host at
B. offered 2 nights - 1 comped and 1 at a reasonable casino rate to be
reviewed for a comp based on play.

We hit B. that night, a little color in our cheeks from our day at the
pool, gave them an hour's additional play and asked for a dinner comp
based on the play to date. The extended comp covered a very nice
coffee shop dinner.

The ensuing stay there ended with retention of that modest win and a
comp for the 2nd night. We were hooked on the Strip.

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I can't say if the comp situation at V. is still the same, but they
were very open with us about what's required. Give them a call.
(And, assuming that things haven't changed too much, keep your play
modest. That 3+ hours play that trip became our threshold requirement
for future trips -- darn! :wink:

- Harry

room charges.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This must be standard policy for the Venetian. They sent me a
similar offer one time after I gave them about an hour of blackjack
play at maybe $50 average bet. To me, it conveys extreme arrogance
on the part of the casino, and I'm surprised that they get any takers
at all for these "play or die" room offers.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@y...> wrote:

"It's really nice to be invited to a casino then threatened with

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:
...

and inquire about following with 2-nights at Bellagio -- foregoing

our

2 night comp at Suncoast ... sorry, but the allure of FPDW out in

the

"wilds" of Henderson was losing its appeal ;).

Harry, I think you need a little more coffee this AM. Suncoast in
the "wilds" of Henderson???

I suspect you meant another casino (Sunset, Fiesta, GVR)? Or did you
mean the "wilds" of Summerlin? It is quite a jungle out there.

Dick

rgmustain wrote:

Harry, I think you need a little more coffee this AM. Suncoast in
the "wilds" of Henderson???

I suspect you meant another casino (Sunset, Fiesta, GVR)? Or did you
mean the "wilds" of Summerlin? It is quite a jungle out there.

Hey, they at least sound a little alike. Now I know why I had such a
difficult time finding the "Henderson" parkway.

- H.

Are the room's there nice? Which is better, Venetian or Bellagio? Every time we go to Vegas my wife drool's at these hotel's and says it would be SOOOO romantic to stay there. Is it worth it?

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

I'll give you some dated advice (it's been about 2 years since my last
play there). Hopefully someone will follow with something more current.

Now, I'll assume that you have at least one previous visit to
Venetian, either a stay or simply a day visit, that generated this
offer. More details would be helpful for a stronger, more accurate reply.

Here's my experience with my first offer. I popped in on a day visit
while staying at another casino, giving them a couple hours of
leisurely $1 Jacks play -- total coin in a nominal $6500.

A couple months later I was thrilled (and astounded) to receive a 2
night offer with a modest free play/food credit offer -- but, like
you, I was very leary of the "sufficient play" stipulation. Along the
lines of Karen's advice, when I called to tentatively book I
thoroughly grilled the rep. to better understand that requirement.

What I was told was that I would be expected to meet my previous play
that qualified me for the offer. Very dubiously, I asked what that
would be and was indeed told that it was 2-1/4 hours at an average bet
of $4.23 (or something like that -- my wife had put in a little
short-pay $.25 play on my card as well). Stifling my astoundment I
asked, "And that'll satisfy the 2-night comp?". It would.

We arrived, bypassed the long lines by checking in at the Invited
Guest counter (or something like that) and promptly hit a machine. I
was playing at a decent clip this time and calculated that I had hit
the $6500 threshold in a little under 2 hours. I decided to call a
host on the house phone to see where I stood. I was told that I still
had some time to go to meet the time requirement, so I returned to the
machine and, play going very nicely, I continued play until I had
actually logged a little over 3 hours (judging from cashback, total
play was around $11500). I called once again and was told I was free
and clear.

Well, I didn't mind putting in some more play if it might generate a
bit in additional food comps, so this time I hit the host desk in the
casino to ask about what play would be necessary. I was told that I
was in on a marketing offer and that to qualify for additional comps
I'd have to meet their full play requirement for the room, something
like $24K per night, before I'd earned food comps.

Well, I have at least half a brain. I trooped out of the casino and,
while Bev lazed at the pool, headed for Bellagio for a couple hours of
play to see what that might generate in offers down the road. Play
went very nicely, ending with a modest net win. I actually gave them
about 4 hours (around $16K) play and scored a buffet for 2 on their
intro offer which we enjoyed for dinner that night (gleefully, and a
little humbly, sauntering past the long line with our line pass).

Well, to gloat a bit more, we spent the next day back at the Venetian
pool, barely able to contain a "cat that ate the canary" grin. After
some deliberation, and thoroughly spoiled, we decided to push our luck
and inquire about following with 2-nights at Bellagio -- foregoing our
2 night comp at Suncoast ... sorry, but the allure of FPDW out in the
"wilds" of Henderson was losing its appeal ;). A check with a host at
B. offered 2 nights - 1 comped and 1 at a reasonable casino rate to be
reviewed for a comp based on play.

We hit B. that night, a little color in our cheeks from our day at the
pool, gave them an hour's additional play and asked for a dinner comp
based on the play to date. The extended comp covered a very nice
coffee shop dinner.

The ensuing stay there ended with retention of that modest win and a
comp for the 2nd night. We were hooked on the Strip.

-----

I can't say if the comp situation at V. is still the same, but they
were very open with us about what's required. Give them a call.
(And, assuming that things haven't changed too much, keep your play
modest. That 3+ hours play that trip became our threshold requirement
for future trips -- darn! :wink:

- Harry

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In my opinion the Venetian wins the "nice room" contest hands down.
All rooms are suites. However, for the overall experience - ambiance,
conservatory, fountain shows, restaurants, decor, and friendly staff
-- the B is the winner. Lucky Lucy claims they have the best hand
lotion in the world. If you can get a lake view room, south wing, the
view is spetacular, not just the fountain shows but the Strip as well
(especially at night). If you have a MGM-Mirage slot card they will
probably give you a casino rate.

Yeah, go for it. It's worth it, especially if it makes the wife happy.

Rick

   Are the room's there nice? Which is better, Venetian or Bellagio?

Every time we go to Vegas my wife drool's at these hotel's and says it
would be SOOOO romantic to stay there. Is it worth it?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@y...> wrote:

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

The Wild Joker wrote:

   Are the room's there nice? Which is better, Venetian or Bellagio?
Every time we go to Vegas my wife drool's at these hotel's and says it
would be SOOOO romantic to stay there. Is it worth it?

Well, I'd have to give the Venetian's rooms their full due. And the
endorsement is all the stronger if it's still possible to score a room
offer based upon a couple of hours' $1 Jacks play.

- Harry

Well, let's do a little math here. $200 free play and $50 food comps
equals $250. They're threatening to ding your credit card for $240.
Even if they did, you'd still be up by $10 — and that's not counting
the room!

Yeah, I know the EV of the free play is closer to $97, but I still
wouldn't sweat it. Call marketing or a host and ask them point blank.
If the numbers don't scare you, take 'em up on it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@y...> wrote:

I was sent a 2 or 3 night suite offer, $200 freeplay, $50 food comp
but specifically stated that my credit card would be charged $240 if
I did not meet play requirements. What is the minimum coin in I
would have to put through not to be charged. They do not disclose
the amount on the offer.

Q 1) Yes, the rooms at the V are nice. They are certainly larger than
average, though to claim they are suites, as they do, is a stretch.

Q 2) The V or the B? Both are very nice, but "better" will depend on your
priorities and by its nature be subjective. I prefer the B for the
excellent service (IMO), the nicely decorated (though smaller than V's) room
with views of the fountains, the sedate and manicured pool and well
appointed cabanas and the superior vp inventory. It's hard to quantify
stuff like a view of the B's fountains so you'll just have to try both
hotels yourself to get the opinion that really matters -Your own.

Q 3) "Worth it" is again subjective, but I'll give an opinion. It
certainly isn't worth gambling well over your bankroll for a comp, and for
my typical LV getaway where rooms can be had so cheaply (or free) it is
usually not worth paying full price for either the B or the V. Casino rate,
marketing offers and e mail offers/specials are all options if you do not
gamble the 20K to 70K daily for comps. Online bidding may be an option if
you are interested in the V. I have used those options for very cheap
luxury Vegas digs. Back in the days of Wagerworks I used to let my mouse
earn a Bellagio comp for me;-)

Chandler

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From: The Wild Joker [mailto:jokerswild1…@…com]
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:03 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Venetian offer play requirements

   Are the room's there nice? Which is better, Venetian or Bellagio? Every
time we go to Vegas my wife drool's at these hotel's and says it would be
SOOOO romantic to stay there. Is it worth it?

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