venetian: good paytables by appointment only

[fivespot]

i can confirm what sarahmukasa10 wrote.
there are a few 9/6 jacks machines at venetian/palazzo, but they are kept
disabled. to play on one, you have to request it through your host, who will
have the head of the slot department check out your file and determine
whether you are Worthy of such a privilege. if it's approved, they'll mark
some machine or machines as reserved for your use for some length of time,
and unlock it for you when you want to play during that period.

this seems to me to combine the excitement of video poker with the thrill of
waiting in line at the DMV. it would not have occurred to me to create such
a mix. but then, i am not an expert in the field of casino marketing.

anyway, lesson for the day is this: just because you've seen an occasional
9/6 jacks machine being played there, don't bother showing up at random
times hoping that maybe you'll find a 9/6 machine sitting around available
for play. it'll never happen. go across the street to wynn for that.

cheers,

five

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[jr_decker]

Has anyone alerted NV Gaming to this practice? I would think they would be interested.
JR

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--- On Thu, 9/25/08, fivespot <fivespot55@gmail.com> wrote:

From: fivespot <fivespot55@gmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] venetian: good paytables by appointment only
To: "vpfree" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:43 AM

i can confirm what sarahmukasa10 wrote.
there are a few 9/6 jacks machines at venetian/palazzo, but they are kept
disabled. to play on one, you have to request it through your host, who will
have the head of the slot department check out your file and determine
whether you are Worthy of such a privilege. if it's approved, they'll mark
some machine or machines as reserved for your use for some length of time,
and unlock it for you when you want to play during that period.

this seems to me to combine the excitement of video poker with the thrill of
waiting in line at the DMV. it would not have occurred to me to create such
a mix. but then, i am not an expert in the field of casino marketing.

anyway, lesson for the day is this: just because you've seen an occasional
9/6 jacks machine being played there, don't bother showing up at random
times hoping that maybe you'll find a 9/6 machine sitting around available
for play. it'll never happen. go across the street to wynn for that.

cheers,

five

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[tbf1020]

I cant imagine they would have a problem with it. Its just like a
casino setting up a High limit Blackjack table with good rules
reserved for a high roller. They aren't the first place to do it with
VP either. I seem to recall a player asking for a $100 3 coin deuces
VP machine a while back at Caesars and getting FPDW installed for him
(accidently).

Has anyone alerted NV Gaming to this practice? I would think they

would be interested.

JR

From: fivespot <fivespot55@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] venetian: good paytables by appointment only
To: "vpfree" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:43 AM

i can confirm what sarahmukasa10 wrote.
there are a few 9/6 jacks machines at venetian/palazzo, but they are

kept

disabled. to play on one, you have to request it through your host,

who will

have the head of the slot department check out your file and determine
whether you are Worthy of such a privilege. if it's approved,

they'll mark

some machine or machines as reserved for your use for some length of

time,

and unlock it for you when you want to play during that period.

this seems to me to combine the excitement of video poker with the

thrill of

waiting in line at the DMV. it would not have occurred to me to

create such

a mix. but then, i am not an expert in the field of casino marketing.

anyway, lesson for the day is this: just because you've seen an

occasional

9/6 jacks machine being played there, don't bother showing up at random
times hoping that maybe you'll find a 9/6 machine sitting around

available

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jr decker <jrdecker@...> wrote:

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:
for play. it'll never happen. go across the street to wynn for that.

cheers,

five

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[mikeymic]

From a marketing standpoint this approach is a disaster.

It is true that private blackjack and other games are routinely set up
for whales. But these tend to be in more private, secluded locations.
The Venetian is being very bold with its "in your face" full-pay
shenanigans.

The $1 player losing $500 feels his/her money is just as significant as
$100K is to the high roller. As suggested, exit the Venetian and cross
over to the Wynn, where your obviously "insignificantly viewed" play is
better respected.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tbf1020" <tbf1020@...> wrote:

I cant imagine they would have a problem with it. Its just like a
casino setting up a High limit Blackjack table with good rules
reserved for a high roller. They aren't the first place to do it with
VP either. I seem to recall a player asking for a $100 3 coin deuces
VP machine a while back at Caesars and getting FPDW installed for him
(accidently).

[Michael_Peck]

From a marketing standpoint this approach is a disaster.

Agreed. I'm more pissed off knowing they'll provide acceptable games
to people who know the secret handshake than I am about the general
downgrades.

The $1 player losing $500 feels his/her money is just as significant as
$100K is to the high roller. As suggested, exit the Venetian and cross
over to the Wynn, where your obviously "insignificantly viewed" play is
better respected.

Wynn has historically not been as generous with comps as LVS, and
they're reported not to like winners (even winners who just got
lucky). I gave them some play this week anyway -- maybe they are
feeling more generous than they were a year ago.

LVS is clearly desperate to keep their hotel occupancy numbers up, so
they are giving away rooms to just about anyone with a players club
card and sending out lots of invitations to small prize pool slot
tournaments to regulars.

We were in town anyway this week, so we signed up for a $25K slot
tournament at the Venetian and gave our room away to some friends.
There had to have been close to 400 players in the tournament (there
were 10 sessions and they have 40 tournament machines out). This one
didn't rate Grand Lux vouchers, so the expected value of the prize
pool per person was no more than $65 or so. And for that they want me
to play 7/5BP, or worse? No, thank you.

Mike P.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mikeymic" <mikeymic@...> wrote:

[mikeymic]

I have played twice at the Wynn (staying elsewhere)in the last three
months and haven't even gotten so much as a casino rate room email from
them. I spoke with a host who confided that Wynn management is well
aware of the Venetian downgrades and considers the offer of 9/6 Jacks
as your incentive for playing there. But do negotiate comped meals as I
did twice (since I was not a registered guest).

Yes, though the long-term mathematics almost always favors them casinos
don't like winners, and some may even drop you from their marketing
list totally. Perhaps that's why card pullers "back in the day" were so
determined not to show those winnings and lose their comps. Machine
mechanics prevent such a ploy now, so win too much or too frequently
and out you may go.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peck" <mpeck1@...> wrote:

Wynn has historically not been as generous with comps as LVS, and
they're reported not to like winners (even winners who just got
lucky). I gave them some play this week anyway -- maybe they are
feeling more generous than they were a year ago.

[pesach_kremen1]

I am no fan of Venetian but I am sure that they may be aware of you giving the room to another without any play on your behalf. I do agree that good VP can be offered to all and that Venetian could offer better games. I would move my action elsewhere where you have a reasonable expectation of good value. I they don;t offer at least 5/8 $1 BP they are not competitive or at least 9/7 DB at with these at least comps neutralize the edge.

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--- On Sun, 9/28/08, mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: venetian: good paytables by appointment only
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 4:26 PM

            --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Michael Peck" <mpeck1@...> wrote:

Wynn has historically not been as generous with comps as LVS, and

they're reported not to like winners (even winners who just got

lucky). I gave them some play this week anyway -- maybe they are

feeling more generous than they were a year ago.

I have played twice at the Wynn (staying elsewhere)in the last three

months and haven't even gotten so much as a casino rate room email from

them. I spoke with a host who confided that Wynn management is well

aware of the Venetian downgrades and considers the offer of 9/6 Jacks

as your incentive for playing there. But do negotiate comped meals as I

did twice (since I was not a registered guest).

Yes, though the long-term mathematics almost always favors them casinos

don't like winners, and some may even drop you from their marketing

list totally. Perhaps that's why card pullers "back in the day" were so

determined not to show those winnings and lose their comps. Machine

mechanics prevent such a ploy now, so win too much or too frequently

and out you may go.

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[mikeymic]

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@...>
wrote:

I am no fan of Venetian but I am sure that they may be aware of you

giving the room to another without any play on your behalf.

It depends.

If you make a reservation through casino marketing the lack of play
may go unnoticed at the time. But of course your average will
deteriorate and future offers may be affected.

However, if you make the reservation through a host (or even book it
through direct marketing and ordinarily play at a high level) you run
a much higher risk of being monitored DURING the trip. That means
your host (even if it is his/her day off) may be checking your play.
You take the chance of your friends getting a phone call in the room
as to why there has been no play (yes, hosts have done this). Hosts
are sly enough not to accuse you but to instead say "You might need
to stop by the club and have them make you a new card, as we are not
seeing any play at all on the one you've used so far this trip".

In terms of charging a credit card on a no-play trip, I have only
heard of this when there has been food and beverage and other perks
involved. So, you are probably safe in getting a room-only comp with
no play. But just have your friends be prepared to get that phone
call if you (meaning your account) is being "watched" from afar.

[Michael_Peck]

I am no fan of Venetian but I am sure that they may be aware of you

giving the room to another without any play on your behalf. I do agree
that good VP can be offered to all and that Venetian could offer
better games. I would move my action elsewhere where you have a
reasonable expectation of good value. I they don;t offer at least 5/8
$1 BP they are not competitive or at least 9/7 DB at with these at
least comps neutralize the edge.

Taking a comped room is at least a nominal requirement for
participating in the slot/VP tournaments they've been offering on a
weekly basis since spring. The Venetian doesn't care who's using it,
if anyone, as long as the person with the credit card used to hold the
reservation shows up to check in.

Obviously they are hoping people will pay for their comped rooms down
in the casino by playing 7/5BP (or worse VP) or slots that have
undoubtedly been downgraded this summer as well. I'm personally not
willing to help them out there, even at the risk of being cut off from
future offers.

If they change their minds about their VP offerings I will cheerfully
go back to my former level of play, which was hardly huge but was at
least solidly profitable for LVS.

Mike P.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@...> wrote: