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Vegas trip advice

I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the slow
season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice on
my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace else,
plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of
the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I
welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need
to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take the
bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to set
myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

the luxor and mgm are very reasonable with really nice rooms. if you choose luxor stay in one of the towers and not the pyramid as the rooms are newer and a lot nicer. i have stayed at the trop and hated it. i will never stay there again. hope this helps

mda141 <mda141@yahoo.com> wrote:I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the slow
season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice on
my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace else,
plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of
the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I
welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need
to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take the
bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to set
myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

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I have stayed at the LV trop twice, both times the rooms are pretty run down. They do have a couple of good VP machines, full pay deuces at .25 is probadly the best.
They are pretty good about comps, at least for the strip.

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maria atkinson <lasvegasmaria@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
the luxor and mgm are very reasonable with really nice rooms. if you choose luxor stay in one of the towers and not the pyramid as the rooms are newer and a lot nicer. i have stayed at the trop and hated it. i will never stay there again. hope this helps

mda141 <mda141@yahoo.com> wrote:I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the slow
season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice on
my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace else,
plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of
the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I
welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need
to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take the
bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to set
myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

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We have been staying at MSS for several years now usually free for 3-4
nights with double points and some kind of free food. ($30-$40) per trip.
They still have score more with four scratch cards. I am a $.25 player and
though I am not good at how much I put through in a days time, I can tell
you that 3-4 hours of play will get you monthy offers for free rooms.
Sometimes we ask for extra food comps and have never been turned down. We
are staying there 4 nights in Oct and for the first time another 4 free
nights at the Cal. I have played there every trip (2-3 times a year) and
they have been sending offers for free nights for months now. We also stay
at Sam's town. That is a fun casino and good VP. Monthly offers of 3 free
nights with some free food have been coming for a long time. We haven't
stayed on the strip for quite awhile. I am not a good one for recommending
anything on the strip because they don't have a lot of full pay VP to offer.
hope this helps
mj

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I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the slow
season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice on
my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace else,
plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of
the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I
welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need
to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take the
bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to set
myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

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It has been almost a year since Lucky Lucy and I stayed at the Fremont
-- early December, about the same time you are going. The three
Downtown Boyd casinos have joined into one slot card/club but do not
have tiers. They do have tiered customers, though. The "unwashed
masses", silver card, and gold card. Silver gets full RFB but only at
the lower priced eateries (coffee shop, buffet, etc.). Gold is RFB
anywhere anytime. Unfortunately for us (Gold) all the high-end (read
pricey) restaurants were closed. Threre is a reason this is the slow
time of the year. Lots of other places and shows were also closed.
The MSS buffet is very good so we didn't starve.

We have never stayed at the Trop and the best thing I can say about it
is the Sam's Town shuttle bus stops there. Sam's Town (also a Boyd
property) runs shuttle buses about hourly from the Cal and Fremont to
ST and from ST to Stardust, Harrah's, Burbon St, Barbary Coast, Trop
and ??. Staying downtown is easy access to other parts of the city
but takes a little time as each trip (to/from) goes trough Sam's Town.
This is not a bad thing, ST has lots of full pay VP and is a great
casino/hotel in and of itself. The shuttles are free (small tip
appreciated). You may want to consider ST for a future stay.

In my opinion the only reason to stay on the strip is to enjoy one of
the luxury hotels such as Belagio or Venetian. It is not a place to
find good VP.

Rick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mda141" <mda141@y...> wrote:

I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the slow
season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice on
my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace else,
plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of
the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I
welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need
to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take the
bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to set
myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace

else,

In my experience, the comps have been extremely tight at MSS. I
played .25 DB for TEN hours one day and then was told I hadn't
earned enough points for ONE buffet comp. The comp rate the last
time I played was a horrendous .1%, so that may have been why.
However, they did have excellent mailed rooom offers (which even
continued when I moved to Vegas).
FPDW plus the scratch cards, which are worth about +.25-.3
(depending on game played; you obviously don't get as many
scratchers playing DW) make this one of the best plays in downtown
Vegas.
I also suggest putting in a little time at the Plaza or Las Vegas
club to generate VERY easy, generous room offers.

plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm

coping

with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for

a meal comp?

Just about citywide, the days of "asking for a comp" are gone. The
slot hosts have very little discretionary power for the lowroller
these days. The bottom line will be, have you earned enough points?
If no tickee, then very likely no washee.

  Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many of

the other casinos?

All I know is, there's "ordinary scum", "silver", and "gold". It
takes a pretty hefty amount of play to get into the precious metals
tiers.

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates.

He still may be overpaying. But you can't beat the location.

  The reviews I've read seem quite mixed. I

welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are

inexpensive, but clean & safe.

A lot of people have said that the Westward Ho is a good value. I
personally would go for the Imperial Palace. They always have some
kind of package deal. In the past, I've gotten $29 and $39 rooms
there, and they were just fine.

Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the Strip/Downtown?
Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I need to be a
registered guest at the casino?

The requirements for riding a casino shuttle are rigorous: you must
be breathing. (Look at it this way: you're either a potential
customer (going to) or an actual customer (coming from).)

  If not, I can always take the bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join.

If you're going to be staying downtown, I suggest you visit EVERY
casino and play $1000 (1 1/2 hour's play on quarters) through the
best machine available per the database. Having joined the slot
clubs before you play, of course.

  My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic

expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers.

I've found that a surprisingly little amount does it. That $1000
figure I mentioned seems to be some sort of threshold; it indicates
that you are a potentially valuable customer (you joined the slot
club; you played a decent amount of money, for more than just a few
minutes).

  I'd like to set

myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in

order to increase my ability to play at other locations.

The second style of VP you mentioned should be fullpay Double Bonus,
as it's usually the best game you can find when FPDW isn't offered.
If you don't want to learn this very difficult game, then I suggest
you learn NSUD. There are only a few strategy variations from FPDW
(and I'll summarize them below), and armed with a full knowledge of
NSUD, you can attack the Gold Coast, which is very generous with
room offers, has an excellent slot club, great, inexpensive food,
and a free shuttle to the Strip.

NSUD RULE VARIATIONS

1. With no deuces, a fourflush, and a pair, hold the fourflush.
2. With two pair, hold the two pair.
3. Hold all 3RF-one deuce, ignoring penalty card considerations
(yes, gang, I know this one isn't ENTIRELY accurate; deal with it)
4. Relax the 3SF-one deuce and 4SF-two deuces requirements to
include "one-gappers", i.e. hold 256, 268, 2810, 2256, 2268, etc.

Have fun!!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mda141" <mda141@y...> wrote:

Thanks!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@y...>
wrote:

In my experience, the comps have been extremely tight at MSS. I
played .25 DB for TEN hours one day and then was told I hadn't
earned enough points for ONE buffet comp. The comp rate the last
time I played was a horrendous .1%, so that may have been why.
However, they did have excellent mailed rooom offers (which even
continued when I moved to Vegas).

10 hours and not enough for a buffet comp?! The casino directory
shows that the cashback rate is 0.1%, but the comp rate is over 1.0%.
Can anyone else provide any feedback?

I also suggest putting in a little time at the Plaza or Las Vegas
club to generate VERY easy, generous room offers.

The directory shows only 2 FPDW machines at the Plaza which would work
for me since I already know the strategy. Are they still there?

Are there any $0.25 players that can

> give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for
a meal comp?

I should have been more specific. I didn't mean a discretionary comp,
I meant how much play until I have enough points. This would seem to
tie into the comp rate that I mentioned above.

If you're going to be staying downtown, I suggest you visit EVERY
casino and play $1000 (1 1/2 hour's play on quarters) through the
best machine available per the database. Having joined the slot
clubs before you play, of course.

  My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
> expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
> timespan to get myself setup for future room offers.

I've found that a surprisingly little amount does it. That $1000
figure I mentioned seems to be some sort of threshold; it indicates
that you are a potentially valuable customer (you joined the slot
club; you played a decent amount of money, for more than just a few
minutes).

Good to know. I should have enough time to do that at several places.

I've just changed the comp rate entry for Main Street
<http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Main.htm> in the
DataBase.

Main Street's comp policy now appears to be focused
on taking care of regulars (visitors and locals) but
provides little for non-regulars (0.1% ?).

Regular visitors are comped via silver or gold status
and regular locals ($8,000+ coin-in per month) have
no trouble getting a food comp from the player's club.

vpFREE Administrator

Refresh your browser before reading DataBase pages

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On 13 Sep 2004 at 9:58, mda141 wrote:

10 hours and not enough for a buffet comp?! The casino directory
shows that the cashback rate is 0.1%, but the comp rate is over 1.0%.
Can anyone else provide any feedback?

MSS has gone to the THEO system for discretionary comps. This means
for those who play FPDW at .25 level, it has become very difficult to
get comps. So I am not surprised that this has happened that 10
hours of play resulted in no buffett discretionary comp. IN my
experience, other VP has not as much effected by the change. Just
keep it mind if you play FPDW at MSS do not expect much in comps
other than marketing offers.

Does this mean that California is also not recommended for playing
FPDW if I hope to get any comps? I hear that Fremont is very
generous, but the best game there is PKM.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pskofield2002" <jolly@f...> wrote:

MSS has gone to the THEO system for discretionary comps. This means
for those who play FPDW at .25 level, it has become very difficult to
get comps. So I am not surprised that this has happened that 10
hours of play resulted in no buffett discretionary comp. IN my
experience, other VP has not as much effected by the change. Just
keep it mind if you play FPDW at MSS do not expect much in comps
other than marketing offers.

Main Street's comp policy now appears to be focused
on taking care of regulars (visitors and locals) but
provides little for non-regulars (0.1% ?).

Regular visitors are comped via silver or gold status
and regular locals ($8,000+ coin-in per month) have
no trouble getting a food comp from the player's club.

Does this mean that California is also not over 1.0%?

Don't know about California or Fremont.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 13 Sep 2004 at 19:03, mda141 wrote:

> Main Street's comp policy now appears to be focused
> on taking care of regulars (visitors and locals) but
> provides little for non-regulars (0.1% ?).

Does this mean that California is also not over 1.0%?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite

mixed. I

welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are

inexpensive,

but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I

need

to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take

the

bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to

set

myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in

order

to increase my ability to play at other locations.

If you want to establish yourself on the strip, learn JOB and/or
NSUD and play at the Barbary Coast. Comps or cashback are at .30%
but if you play late after the slot club closes you can get meal
comps from slot floor supervisors.

The rooms are excellent and once you have played $3,000-$4,000 there
you can call for reservations and speak to the slot host who will
give you casino rate, then when you stay there, just play there and
you can end up with 3-4 nights comped easily.

There is no pool but you have priveleges at any other coast, Gold
Coast, Orleans, Suncoast and a free shuttle right outside the door.
The shuttle to GC and Orleans is free to anyone, but the Suncoast is
only for Coast guests.

There is a shuttle to Sam's Town a couple of doors away at Bourbon
Street.

I'm planning my first trip back to LV since getting bitten by the VP
bug that seems to infect all of us. My trip is scheduled for the

slow

season (in this case the week after Thanksgiving). While that seems
like a long time from now, it'll give me plenty of time to practice

on

my FVP software.

After looking at much of the great information on this forum, I've
been learning FPDW with the intent of playing @ Cal/MSS. The comp
rate for those properties seems to be much higher than anyplace

else,

plus I'm hoping that MSS will still have the "4 of a Kind" scratch
cards to put a little something back into my pocket while I'm coping
with the variability of FPDW. Are there any $0.25 players that can
give me an indication of how much play I'll need before asking for a
meal comp? Does Cal/MSS/Fremont have a tiered slots club like many

of

the other casinos?

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
He's familiar with the Trop in AC and I've noticed that the LV Trop
has very cheap room rates. The reviews I've read seem quite mixed.

I

welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are inexpensive,
but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles that hit the
Strip/Downtown? Will flashing a slot club card suffice or will I

need

to be a registered guest at the casino? If not, I can always take

the

bus back and forth to Cal/MSS.

I'd also like recommendations on any other slot clubs that I should
join. My trip will be Sun-Fri and I'm trying to get a realistic
expectation for how much play I'm going to have to generate in that
timespan to get myself setup for future room offers. I'd like to

set

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mda141" <mda141@y...> wrote:

myself up at a minimum of 2 casinos (not both downtown). I can
probably handle getting familiar with one other style of VP in order
to increase my ability to play at other locations.

Thanks!

******

Well you have had several replies. My turn.

End of November is a long way off.

The Boyd bus looks like a good bet. I have never done it, but it is
a full size motor coach.

The downtown Boyds...you have two concerns current trip and future
offers.

Here is my experience:

1) 2+ years ago, signed up for a MSS and Cal cards. Very little play
at either joint. No mail.

2) Nov 2002, signed up at Fremont, cards still separate. Played
$1,100 coin-in on Pick Em. An offer was received for the second
quarter of 2003 (might have just missed the 1st quarter deadline) for
three comped nights in April/May/June sun-thurs.

3) Stayed at Fremont in April, played another $1,100 at Fremont.
Offers continued thru end of the year. Played $3k at MSS.

4) MSS offers started for the fourth quarter 2003. MSS and Boyds go
to the one Gold card (what October?). Theo system kicks in sometime
in the Spring.

5) March 2004, use a two night/5x point offer. Put $9k thru. Took a
$40 potshot on the $1 Treasure Chest games for $5k of the action.
$3k on the FPDW (two sets, TITO, no handpay) another $1k at the bar
playing Jacks.

6) April 2004, use two night offer/2x points. They get 6k action
this time, mostly on FPDW ( two sets, that one machine on the end,
against the windows for the buffet is my bud!).

7) Offers increase to three weekday nights/2x points/$25 food for
July and August.

8) August 2004, use this three night offer. Do the tourist thing
with my son. One of the few people to actually ride the monorail!
Only $3.5k through do to limited time.

9) Sept, Oct and now November offer basically the same, three
nights/2x points/$25 food.

***
Comps- In March asked for a comp after $8k/play. Given a comp for
$25 from the slot supervisor for the Brew Pub, who was filing in for
a host at the desk.

August-after $3k, caught Brenda busy on the phone at 10am. Asked for
a Brew Pub comp, she asked if $10 was enough. I said that there were
two of us, gave me $20. Let her know in conversation that I was a
LVA'er (subscription expired) and Sue Casey was MSS best ambassitor.

***
Fremont rooms are dinky, so what! People complain about
traffic/train noise at MSS, doesn't bother me. LVC- the north tower
rooms are nice, but I don't like only two elevators serving each
tower (a peeve). LVC would be my first non-Boyd choice to get
established. Still the best single deck game/Craps downtown.

Just remember, the Boyds send out offers based on each property.
Play only one a day. Check out the old clunkers (Jacks, IGT Fortune
I)upstairs at the Cal. You just can't hear music like that anymore.

Have fun, talk your bud out of the Trop. Make him take the
transportation. You sound like a downtowner, like me.

BS

inexpensive, but clean & safe. Are there any free casino shuttles
that hit the Strip/Downtown?

The Stardust can be a good value, is nearer downtown than the Trop,
has the Boyd Shuttle to Sam's Town (I've never used it, so I don't
know if they hit the DT Boyd's), nice rooms, and still has playable
games (although the recent news concerning removal of FP Super Aces
and the downgrades at the triple plays is VERY upsetting to me).

Have a great trip! Luck and many Royals to you.

Drew

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mda141" <mda141@y...> wrote:

I'm travelling with a friend that insists on staying on the Strip.
I welcome any recommendations on Strip locations that are