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Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

#1

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?

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#2

It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive. If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you wouldn't. What game were you playing?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@...> wrote:

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?

#3

It was a 9/5 DDB. The only reason I was there was for the $1,000 promo, so
it wasn't a complete loss.

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-----Original message-----
From: Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 00:07:13 GMT+00:00
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@...> wrote:

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell

you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few
years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my
chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt
an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10.
What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a
Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the
same suit?

It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember some
8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive. If it
was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you wouldn't.
What game were you playing?

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#4

Oh I see. Well that explains that. Better luck next time. :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bigdawg09@..." <bigdawg09@...> wrote:

It was a 9/5 DDB. The only reason I was there was for the $1,000 promo, so
it wasn't a complete loss.

#5

When playing on a loss refund promo (which "JB" later writes he was playing), it makes sense to play harder for a "bankable" hit. So, in this case, suited AT was likely a viable hold.

Don't feel too bad. Assuming the RNG constantly cycles, the draw cards would be determined at the time of pressing the DRAW button and a different hold would likely result in a different draw result.

btw -- wife and I had decent luck with this Riviera promo 2 weeks ago. We opted for $1 BPD and both cashed out at our predetermined win threshold of $600 each.

- H.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@> wrote:
>
> I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?
>

It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive. If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you wouldn't. What game were you playing?

#6

Not according to Winpoker but I always hold 3 to a royal and unless I have a pair of AA, KK, QQ or JJ I hold 2 to a royal.

Pat McCauley

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On Jun 20, 2012, at 3:59 PM, J B <bigdawg09@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?

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#7

This happened to me long time ago when I first started playing VP. I didn't hold the 10 and the other three cards appeared.
So I vowed I would always hold the 10 from now on.
Been holding that darn 10 every time and never again have the other 3 cards appeared.
As soon as I decide to stop holding the 10, I can only imagine that the other 3 will show every time.

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From: J B <bigdawg09@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:01 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my
ale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by
urchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost
e $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and
10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King,
ueen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time
hen you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?
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#8

Harry,

Of course you know this. However, maybe it would have been
more clear to have used a stronger word than probably. I have
seen RGN estimates of 100,000 or more outcomes in just one
second. Obviously just a blink means many different outcomes,
much less the time it takes to make a different hold. Just
a hard concept to handle for some of us when seeing certain
final results!

The other answers are also good and to the point for specific
strategy changes that might have pertained to this specific
situation.

Obviously throwing away a ten eliminated any possibility of
royal on that hand. It is just hard to keep in things in
perspective when looking backwards. Also, some people just
do not want to throw away the ten even if it means losing
less in the long run.

I am not adding anything new here unless it is directed to
those of us how have a hard time believing how little control
we have over final results.

Bob

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@> wrote:
> >
> > I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?
> >
>
>
> It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive. If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you wouldn't. What game were you playing?
>

When playing on a loss refund promo (which "JB" later writes he was playing), it makes sense to play harder for a "bankable" hit. So, in this case, suited AT was likely a viable hold.

Don't feel too bad. Assuming the RNG constantly cycles, the draw cards would be determined at the time of pressing the DRAW button and a different hold would likely result in a different draw result.

btw -- wife and I had decent luck with this Riviera promo 2 weeks ago. We opted for $1 BPD and both cashed out at our predetermined win threshold of $600 each.

- H.

#9

Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember a Bob Dancer article about him incorrectly holding an Ace-Ten and coming up with a royal. I think the theme of the article was about always fully reading the rules of a promotion. He was thinking he was gonna get double-paid for the royal, something like that. But it turned out that only a certain suit got double paid-and Bob's royal wasn't in that suit. I don't know that I have the facts exactly right here, but what was funny was while he was waiting on the hand pay some other pros came along and Bob had to suffer through them having some fun at his expense. Something about Bob Dancer, video poker writer/theorist, making a wrong hold.

#10

Thanks everyone for the comments and advice. I used to always hold AT
suited and I have hit a couple royals but after playing so much of the VPD
simulators I thought the smart money said throw away thw ten. Never again!

Thanks again.

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-----Original message-----
From: futrend <futrend@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 19:06:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

Harry,

Of course you know this. However, maybe it would have been
more clear to have used a stronger word than probably. I have
seen RGN estimates of 100,000 or more outcomes in just one
second. Obviously just a blink means many different outcomes,
much less the time it takes to make a different hold. Just
a hard concept to handle for some of us when seeing certain
final results!

The other answers are also good and to the point for specific
strategy changes that might have pertained to this specific
situation.

Obviously throwing away a ten eliminated any possibility of
royal on that hand. It is just hard to keep in things in
perspective when looking backwards. Also, some people just
do not want to throw away the ten even if it means losing
less in the long run.

I am not adding anything new here unless it is directed to
those of us how have a hard time believing how little control
we have over final results.

Bob

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@> wrote:
> >
> > I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me

tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past
few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my
chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt
an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10.
What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a
Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the
same suit?

> >
>
>
> It's been over a year since I was in the Riviera. I vaguely remember

some 8-5 JoB progressive and some banks of 9-5 Double Double Progressive.
If it was the first one you'd hold AT-suited. If it was the other, you
wouldn't. What game were you playing?

>

When playing on a loss refund promo (which "JB" later writes he was

playing), it makes sense to play harder for a "bankable" hit. So, in this
case, suited AT was likely a viable hold.

Don't feel too bad. Assuming the RNG constantly cycles, the draw cards

would be determined at the time of pressing the DRAW button and a different
hold would likely result in a different draw result.

btw -- wife and I had decent luck with this Riviera promo 2 weeks ago. We

opted for $1 BPD and both cashed out at our predetermined win threshold of
$600 each.

- H.

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#11

I'll ad my two cents to the tale of an AT hold...
I was playing a nickle triple play STP, and I actually WANTED to hold the AT, and for some reason the 10 didn't "stick", hit draw and up popped KQJ...i immediately called a slot tech, and had them run the hand back and sure enough the button was kinda "iffy" (when you play fast, you have a very light keystroke), my luck it was a 3x multiplier (STP remember)...my host also came over to confirm the $600 payout...
Pretty pointless royal...as I stepped it up to 25c, and managed to quickly lose $400 of it back...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, J B <bigdawg09@...> wrote:

I am also in Vegas right now and have been to a few bars, but let me tell you my tale of woe. I became a smarter video poker player in the past few years by purchasing Winpoker and by listening to the pros. Much to my chagrin, it cost me $1,350 on a vp progressive at the Riviera. I was dealt an A of Diamonds and a 10 of Diamonds and of course I threw away the 10. What comes up but the King, Queen and Jack of diamonds. And I was without a Royal. Is there ever a time when you should keep an Ace and a Ten of the same suit?

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