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Value.... we all have our part to play.

#1

From: "Michael Boutot <vegas_iwish@yahoo.com>" <vegas_iwish@yahoo.com>

I'll take that bet if you actually do gamble. Your posts give no
credence to that statement at all. You just want to shoot down people
who can because you & Brad(Tarpon) can not. Talking down to people
without demonstrated ability is a form of slamming & both are you are
extremely guilty.

Since my post was not directed at you, but you seem obligated to respond for some reason, I will say that I do not generally talk down to people. I try to point out alternative thinking on a subject matter, especially when it is impossible to prove something one way or the other. As an example, just because some so-called "expert" says that the "long run" is a persons lifetime of playing a perfect game, and not the machines lifetime, does not make it true. It cannot be absolutely proved either way. So why tell people it is one way or the other without informing them of the alternative? Perhaps to enhance the "experts" stature of knowing everything there is to know? Maybe it's just to make people feel good that they will come out ahead or even by the time they die. Why are some people afraid of hearing alternative opinions? It reminds me of the old adage, "I already know the answer and my mind is made up. Don't confuse me with other facts or ideas." I don't know, you tell me.

Bob Craig
Playing VP in Nevada for over 23 years.

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#2

Take this C*** outta here. Snipe all you want, but this isn't the
place to do it.

- H.

#3

>From: "Michael Boutot <vegas_iwish@yahoo.com>" <vegas_iwish@yahoo.com>
>
>I'll take that bet if you actually do gamble. Your posts give no
>credence to that statement at all. You just want to shoot down people
>who can because you & Brad(Tarpon) can not. Talking down to people
>without demonstrated ability is a form of slamming & both are you are
>extremely guilty.

Since my post was not directed at you, but you seem obligated to respond for
some reason, I will say that I do not generally talk down to people. I try
to point out alternative thinking on a subject matter, especially when it is
impossible to prove something one way or the other. As an example, just
because some so-called "expert" says that the "long run" is a persons
lifetime of playing a perfect game, and not the machines lifetime, does not
make it true. It cannot be absolutely proved either way. So why tell
people it is one way or the other without informing them of the alternative?

     There is something called "The Flat Earth Society." It is comprised
of people who believe the Earth is flat. These people are ill-informed
(at best). So are individuals who think there is some kind of important
distinction being made in the above paragraph concerning different machines
(physically different, but identical in paytable etc.). The people you
label "so-called" experts have math, science and logic on their side,
while you have...what?

  Perhaps to enhance the "experts" stature of knowing everything there is to
know? Maybe it's just to make people feel good that they will come out
ahead or even by the time they die. Why are some people afraid of hearing
alternative opinions? It reminds me of the old adage, "I already know the

     Well again this is a gross mis-statement of "the experts'
position--certainly anyone worthy of the term anyway. As I said (and you
snipped, but should probably instead closely study) the claim is not that
playing "fullpay" machines guarantees a certain result, but that the
longer and more competently you play the more likely you are to be a
winner (or less of a loser in the case of <100% machines). There will be
all sorts of exceptional results because that is the nature of
probability.

     Again, it's not a complicated matter. It's very simple.

answer and my mind is made up. Don't confuse me with other facts or ideas."
  I don't know, you tell me.

     I think you're confused. The saying is generally something like
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!" In this case the
facts are clear and if others hold to this specious idea of machine
returns then their made-up minds are...flat...wrong.

gj

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Bob Craig wrote:

Bob Craig
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#4

The issues involved are important ones, but if it sets you all out of
kilter then why not just delete threads beginning with "Value..."?

gj

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

Take this C*** outta here. Snipe all you want, but this isn't the
place to do it.

- H.

#5

TIME OUT

Civility

No flaming.

No demeaning

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#6

As an example, just

because some so-called "expert" says that the "long run" is a

persons

lifetime of playing a perfect game, and not the machines lifetime,

does not

make it true. It cannot be absolutely proved either way. So why

tell

people it is one way or the other without informing them of the

alternative?

I understand that this is not your main point, Bob, but in an effort
to keep it out of the mud, I'll just mention that I think that
mathematical concepts have very little understanding of whose
lifetime they are messing with;-)

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#7

I believe the Flat Earth Society disbanded in the 1970s or early 80s, after images sent back from a space mission showed it is indeed round. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember reading that.

Elaine

gj bart <bronco@eskimo.com> wrote: There is something called "The Flat Earth Society." It is comprised
of people who believe the Earth is flat. These people are ill-informed
(at best). So are individuals who think there is some kind of important
distinction being made in the above paragraph concerning different machines
(physically different, but identical in paytable etc.).

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#8

As far as I know they are still around:

     http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html

     As far as photos from space are concerned...heck, didn't you see
"Capricorn One?"

gj

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Elaine Rose wrote:

   I believe the Flat Earth Society disbanded in the 1970s or early 80s, after images sent back
from a space mission showed it is indeed round. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember
reading that.

Elaine

#9

Actually, they merged with the "Man Will Never Fly Society".

At least that's what the other pilots told me the last time I went to
a meeting. . .

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Rose <atlanticcityrose@y...>
wrote:

   I believe the Flat Earth Society disbanded in the 1970s or early

80s, after images sent back from a space mission showed it is indeed
round. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember reading that.

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Elaine