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Using PDA in casino (Was Short term risk of ruin program)

#1

It was posted some time ago on either this List or on vpmail, that someone
at GVRS was ordered by Security to stop writing in a small notebook. The person
was just recording machine number, game, etc., recordkeeping stuff for the
IRS.

Since a few casino personnel seem to be paranoid about people who write
things down while at a machine, I usually do my recordkeeping when I've finished
playing, in a nongaming area. I can, after all, remember a machine number!

I've been seeing ads for multifunction cell phones. These can play music,
take still pix and video, and play games. When will the first person be arrested
for punching buttons on his cell phone while gambling?

Brian

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In a message dated 12/3/2005 12:57:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
thomasrrobertson@earthlink.net writes:

I was once threatened with having a pencil I was using (only to write)
in a casino be treated as an "illegal device."

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#2

Wow. This is the first time I have heard of this. I am one of those
people that writes things in a notebook while playing VP. Sometimes
I just like to jot down how many dealt trips I get without
connecting for the quads.

I only play the 10/6 DDB machines and the Optimum Play machines when
I am at Green Valley Ranch. Now I sort of wish an incident would
happen, just to see what the reaction would be when they were told I
am a Station shareholder.

I even go so far as to write down my results per round while playing
two deck blackjack. Of course, this is always during the shuffle,
but I always do it in plain sight, usually using an adjacent empty
chair to write on.

Can anyone quote the Nevada statute regarding this issue?

It was posted some time ago on either this List or on vpmail, that

someone

at GVRS was ordered by Security to stop writing in a small

notebook. The person

was just recording machine number, game, etc., recordkeeping

stuff for the

IRS.

Since a few casino personnel seem to be paranoid about people who

write

things down while at a machine, I usually do my recordkeeping

when I've finished

playing, in a nongaming area. I can, after all, remember a

machine number!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@a... wrote:

Brian

#3

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Nevada/

NRS 465.075 Use of device for calculating probabilities.

It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to
use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist:

      1. In projecting the outcome of the game;

      2. In keeping track of the cards played;

      3. In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of an event
relating to the game; or

      4. In analyzing the strategy for playing or betting to be used
in the game, except as permitted by the commission.

NRS 465.083 Cheating.

It is unlawful for any person, whether he is an owner or employee of
or a player in an establishment, to cheat at any gambling game.

NRS 465.088 Penalties for violation of NRS 465.070 to 465.085, inclusive.

      1. A person who violates any provision of NRS 465.070 to
465.085, inclusive, is guilty of a category B felony and shall be
punished:

      (a) For the first offense, by imprisonment in the state prison
for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not
more than 6 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both
fine and imprisonment.

      (b) For a second or subsequent violation of any of these
provisions, by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of
not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 6 years, and
may be further punished by a fine of not more than $10,000. The court
shall not suspend a sentence of imprisonment imposed pursuant to this
paragraph, or grant probation to the person convicted.

      2. A person who attempts, or two or more persons who conspire,
to violate any provision of NRS 465.070 to 465.085, inclusive, each is
guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imposing the
penalty provided in subsection 1 for the completed crime, whether or
not he personally played any gambling game or used any prohibited device.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

Can anyone quote the Nevada statute regarding this issue?

#4

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:

It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to
use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist:
      3. In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of an event
relating to the game; or

When I asked if a Programmable Calculator could be used in a casino, I
was imagining using it in a restaurant or hotel room, because it needs
to be consulted infrequently ... maybe each evening to prepare for the
next day based on the remaining bankroll.

It's ironic the casinos make public announcements warning players not
to gamble excessively, that is, risk ruin. Yet it's illegal to use a
device designed precisely to assist players in this regard!

#5

The using a PDA in a casino got me thinking. I've got my hand slapped a
couple of times for putting my cell phone on the BJ table. I just bought a
blue tooth headset for the phone. Do the casino's frown on these, also?

Matthew

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#6

I'd be interested in knowing what precisely constitutes "a gaming
establishment".

Most (all?) hotel casinos I've visited required a person over 21 in
each room, and I'm wondering whether that's related to the fact that
e.g. keno results are available on the internal TV networks. That
might imply that hotel rooms themselves may be part of the "gaming
establishment". That's speculation of course, IANAL, and I didn't do
any research. Feel free to tell me to RTFLaw if you feel that I
should, but the link that was provided didn't seem to contain anything
related to hotels.

I certainly have used computers in casino hotel rooms to hone my VP
skills, and I'm wondering how legal that was (it's only idle
curiosity, not important in any way).

JBQ

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On 12/3/05, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment [...]

#7

Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote:

That's speculation of course, IANAL, and I didn't do
any research.

That particular acronym was a new one on me ... an internet search
cleared up the meaning. You'll understand if I don't personally
choose to incorporate that one as a self reference :wink:

- H.

#8

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-463.html#NRS463Sec0169

NRS 463.0169 "Licensed gaming establishment" defined. "Licensed
gaming establishment" means any premises licensed pursuant to the
provisions of this chapter wherein or whereon gaming is done. (Added
to NRS by 1967, 1039)—(Substituted in revision for NRS 463.0118)

NRS 463.0153 "Gaming" and "gambling" defined. "Gaming" or "gambling"
means to deal, operate, carry on, conduct, maintain or expose for play
any game as defined in NRS 463.0152, or to operate an inter-casino
linked system. (Added to NRS by 1967, 1039; A 1995, 756)

NRS 463.0152 "Game" and "gambling game" defined. "Game" or "gambling
game" means any game played with cards, dice, equipment or any
mechanical, electromechanical or electronic device or machine for
money, property, checks, credit or any representative of value,
including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, faro,
monte, roulette, keno, bingo, fan-tan, twenty-one, blackjack,
seven-and-a-half, big injun, klondike, craps, poker, chuck-a-luck,
Chinese chuck-a-luck (dai shu), wheel of fortune, chemin de fer,
baccarat, pai gow, beat the banker, panguingui, slot machine, any
banking or percentage game or any other game or device approved by the
Commission, but does not include games played with cards in private
homes or residences in which no person makes money for operating the
game, except as a player, or games operated by charitable or
educational organizations which are approved by the Board pursuant to
the provisions of NRS 463.409. (Added to NRS by 1967, 1039; A 1969,
462; 1979, 772; 1981, 1073; 1985, 2134)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jean-Baptiste Queru <jbqueru@g...> wrote:

I'd be interested in knowing what precisely constitutes "a gaming
establishment".

Most (all?) hotel casinos I've visited required a person over 21 in
each room, and I'm wondering whether that's related to the fact that
e.g. keno results are available on the internal TV networks. That
might imply that hotel rooms themselves may be part of the "gaming
establishment". That's speculation of course, IANAL, and I didn't do
any research. Feel free to tell me to RTFLaw if you feel that I
should, but the link that was provided didn't seem to contain anything
related to hotels.

I certainly have used computers in casino hotel rooms to hone my VP
skills, and I'm wondering how legal that was (it's only idle
curiosity, not important in any way).

JBQ

On 12/3/05, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@y...> wrote:
> It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment [...]

#9

Thanks. I guess that the "expose for play" part is the most likely
reason why the hotel rooms could be considered part of the "gaming
establishment" (opening quite a few can of worms, which are probably
off-topic for this list).

JBQ

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On 12/5/05, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-463.html#NRS463Sec0169

NRS 463.0153 "Gaming" and "gambling" defined. "Gaming" or "gambling"
means [...] expose for play [...]