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USING JOB STRATEGY FOR 10/7 DB

One thing most of us do with the VPSM charts are to combine related plays
so as to save space (Frugal VP does much of the combining before printing
it's chart).
Example: On most of the double bonus type games you have to look at 4FL,
3RF and high pairs (except AA).
In 10-7 DB, QJTs is always better than a 4FL or high pair so all of those
lines can be combined as one line.
A four flush with three high cards is always better than all 3RF except
QJTs so that goes next.
KQJs is better than a high pair. (except AA)
A high pair is better than a four flush with one or two high cards.
A four flush with one or two high cards
A 3RF other than QJTs or KQJs

In notation similar to VPSM:
QJTs
4 Flush with 3 high cards
KQJs
Pair JJ, QQ, KK
4 Flush with less than 3 high cards
3RF other than QJTs or KQJs

This compresses 22 lines down to six with exactly the same 100% accuracy.
(I hope I was careful enough here as somebody will surely catch any mistake
I have made.)

Notes: 1. Make sure you read each line of the VPSM (or Frugal VP) chart
carefully.
              2. On very close plays you may want to use your "play"
software (Frugal VP, Winpoker etc.) to double check.
                  When they get a different result, the "play" software is
always right.

···

[Original Message]
From: sphboc2003 <sphboc@aol.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 4/9/2004 11:52:01 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: USING JOB STRATEGY FOR 10/7 DB

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <bshiffrin@s...> wrote:
> Sphboc2003 <sphboc@a...> wrote :
>
> >> Both FVP and VPSM actually generate strategy CHARTS, as opposed
to
> > CARDS. Printed out, these tend to occupy a full page or two.
Bob
> > Dancer (and others) have done a very nice job, for selected
games, of
> > condensing the CHART information onto pocket-sized CARDS; these
> > indicate, with very nearly 100 percent accuracy, what to hold.
>
> I use VPSM to print out small strategy cards. I save the files
as .rtf files and load them into Microsoft Word where I change the
font to a smaller one and insert page breaks as appropriate. We then
print them out and my wife cuts them and laminates them so they are
about index card size. Works very well and lasts a long time.
>
> Barry

I agree that VPSM generates highly-accurate information. But, I'm
curious as to specifically what actions you take against the
generated files. Strategy chart, for db 10/7, follows; I'd be most
interested in specifically how you revise this to produce cards.

     DOUBLE BONUS POKER
   VPSM Advanced Strategy
           100.17%

  4000.0000 Pat Royal
   800.0000 Four Aces
   400.0000 Four 2,3,4
   250.0000 Pat Four 5's to K's
   250.0000 Pat Straight Flush
    93.1915 4 Royal
    50.5735 3 Aces
    50.0000 Pat Full House
    35.0000 Pat Flush
    33.5523 3 Twos, Threes or Fours
    27.1693 3 Fives to Kings
    25.0000 Pat Straight
    18.6915 4 STFL, Open
    12.4468 4 STFL, Inside
     8.8298 Two Pair
     8.8175 Pair Aces
     7.9232 QJTs, 0 Pen
     7.8770 KQJs, 0 Pen
     7.8168 QJTs, 1 St.Pen only
     7.7151 QJTs, 1 HP Pen only
     7.6920 KQJs, 1 St.Pen only
     7.6827 KQJs, 1 HP Pen only
     7.6596 4 Flush, 3 Hi Cards, 0 HP Pen
     7.6318 QJTs, 1 Fl.Pen only
     7.5532 4 Flush, 3 Hi Cards, 1 HP Pen
     7.4468 QJTs, Any 2 Pen
     7.3913 KQJs, Any 2 Pen
     7.3774 KQTs, KJTs, 0 Pen
     7.3404 4 Flush, 2 Hi Cards, 0 HP Pen
     7.3312 AKQs, AKJs, AQJs, 0 Pen
     7.2911 Pair JJ, QQ, KK
     7.2710 KQTs, KJTs, 1 St.Pen only
     7.2248 AKQs,AKJs,AQJs, 1 St.Pen only
     7.0212 4 Flush, 1 Hi Card
     6.9796 KQTs, KJTs, Any 2 Pen
     6.8316 AKTs, AQTs, AJTs, 0 Pen
     6.7021 4 Flush, 0 Hi Cards
     6.6975 AKTs,AQTs,AJTs, 1 St.Pen only
     4.5745 4 ST, Open
     4.1332 Pair 22, 33, 44
     3.9130 JT9s
     3.8807 QJ9s
     3.7169 Pair 55 to TT
     3.4274 3 STFL, Open, 0 Hi Cards
     3.3947 AKQJ
     3.3219 QJ8s
     3.2886 QT9s, JT8s, J98s
     3.2562 KQ9s, KJ9s
     3.0851 4 ST, Inside, 3 Hi Cards
     2.9356 QJs, 0 or Any 1 Pen
     2.9223 KQs, KJs, 0 Pen
     2.8862 QJs, Any 2 Pen
     2.8631 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 0 Hi, 0 St.Pen
     2.8458 AKs, AQs, AJs, 0 Pen
     2.8353 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 1 Hi, 0 St.Pen
     2.8252 KQs, KJs, 1 Fl.Pen only
     2.8249 QJs, Any 3 Pen
     2.8212 KQs, KJs, 1,2 St.Pen only
     2.8030 3 FL, 2 Hi Cards
     2.7978 AKs, AQs, AJs, 1 St.Pen only
     2.7908 KQs, KJs, 1 St.Pen & 1 Fl.Pen
     2.7891 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 0 Hi, 1 St.Pen
     2.7660 4 ST, Inside, 2 Hi Cards
     2.7573 KQs, KJs, Any 3 Pen
     2.7428 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 1 Hi, 1 St.Pen
     2.5994 KQJ
     2.5057 JTs, 0 Pen
     2.4699 QJT
     2.4468 4 ST, Inside, 1 Hi Card
     2.4086 JTs, 1 Fl.Pen only
     2.3737 JTs, 1,2 St.Pen only
     2.3723 QJ
     2.3497 975s, 965s
     2.3414 QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
     2.3358 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 0 Hi, 0 St.Pen
     2.3259 JTs, 1 St.Pen & 1 Fl.Pen
     2.3114 KQ, KJ, 0 St.Pen
     2.2988 3 FL, 1 Hi Card
     2.2941 JTs, Any 3 Pen
     2.2868 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
     2.2760 Ace, 0 Fl.Pen
     2.2493 Ace, 1 Fl.Pen & no 2,3,4,5
     2.2467 AK, AQ, AJ
     2.2436 KTs
     2.2436 Ace, 1 Fl.Pen
     2.2254 Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
     2.2155 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 0 Hi, 1 St.Pen
     2.1705 Queen
     2.1549 King
     2.1532 Jack, 1 Fl.Pen
     2.1277 4 ST, Inside, 0 Hi Cards
     1.8039 3 FL, 0 Hi Cards
     1.6453 Redraw

               PAYTABLE
    ------------------------------
    Royal Flush 4000.00
    Straight Flush 250.00
    Four Aces 800.00
    Four 2-4s 400.00
    Four 5-10s 250.00
    Four J-Ks 250.00
    Full House 50.00
    Flush 35.00
    Straight 25.00
    Three of Kind 15.00
    Two Pair 5.00
    Jacks or Better 5.00

vpFREE Links: http://tinyurl.com/v9qq

Yahoo! Groups Links

Can you post your compressed 10/7 DB strategy chart for the strategy
challenged?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern" <howard.w.stern@e...>
wrote:

One thing most of us do with the VPSM charts are to combine

related plays

so as to save space (Frugal VP does much of the combining before

printing

it's chart).
Example: On most of the double bonus type games you have to look

at 4FL,

3RF and high pairs (except AA).
In 10-7 DB, QJTs is always better than a 4FL or high pair so all

of those

lines can be combined as one line.
A four flush with three high cards is always better than all 3RF

except

QJTs so that goes next.
KQJs is better than a high pair. (except AA)
A high pair is better than a four flush with one or two high cards.
A four flush with one or two high cards
A 3RF other than QJTs or KQJs

In notation similar to VPSM:
QJTs
4 Flush with 3 high cards
KQJs
Pair JJ, QQ, KK
4 Flush with less than 3 high cards
3RF other than QJTs or KQJs

This compresses 22 lines down to six with exactly the same 100%

accuracy.

(I hope I was careful enough here as somebody will surely catch

any mistake

I have made.)

Notes: 1. Make sure you read each line of the VPSM (or Frugal VP)

chart

carefully.
              2. On very close plays you may want to use

your "play"

software (Frugal VP, Winpoker etc.) to double check.
                  When they get a different result, the "play"

software is

always right.

> [Original Message]
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 4/9/2004 11:52:01 AM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: USING JOB STRATEGY FOR 10/7 DB
>
> > Sphboc2003 <sphboc@a...> wrote :
> >
> > >> Both FVP and VPSM actually generate strategy CHARTS, as

opposed

> to
> > > CARDS. Printed out, these tend to occupy a full page or

two.

> Bob
> > > Dancer (and others) have done a very nice job, for selected
> games, of
> > > condensing the CHART information onto pocket-sized CARDS;

these

> > > indicate, with very nearly 100 percent accuracy, what to

hold.

> >
> > I use VPSM to print out small strategy cards. I save the files
> as .rtf files and load them into Microsoft Word where I change

the

> font to a smaller one and insert page breaks as appropriate. We

then

> print them out and my wife cuts them and laminates them so they

are

> about index card size. Works very well and lasts a long time.
> >
> > Barry
>
> I agree that VPSM generates highly-accurate information. But,

I'm

> curious as to specifically what actions you take against the
> generated files. Strategy chart, for db 10/7, follows; I'd be

most

> interested in specifically how you revise this to produce

cards.

···

> From: sphboc2003 <sphboc@a...>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <bshiffrin@s...> wrote:
>
>
> DOUBLE BONUS POKER
> VPSM Advanced Strategy
> 100.17%
>
> 4000.0000 Pat Royal
> 800.0000 Four Aces
> 400.0000 Four 2,3,4
> 250.0000 Pat Four 5's to K's
> 250.0000 Pat Straight Flush
> 93.1915 4 Royal
> 50.5735 3 Aces
> 50.0000 Pat Full House
> 35.0000 Pat Flush
> 33.5523 3 Twos, Threes or Fours
> 27.1693 3 Fives to Kings
> 25.0000 Pat Straight
> 18.6915 4 STFL, Open
> 12.4468 4 STFL, Inside
> 8.8298 Two Pair
> 8.8175 Pair Aces
> 7.9232 QJTs, 0 Pen
> 7.8770 KQJs, 0 Pen
> 7.8168 QJTs, 1 St.Pen only
> 7.7151 QJTs, 1 HP Pen only
> 7.6920 KQJs, 1 St.Pen only
> 7.6827 KQJs, 1 HP Pen only
> 7.6596 4 Flush, 3 Hi Cards, 0 HP Pen
> 7.6318 QJTs, 1 Fl.Pen only
> 7.5532 4 Flush, 3 Hi Cards, 1 HP Pen
> 7.4468 QJTs, Any 2 Pen
> 7.3913 KQJs, Any 2 Pen
> 7.3774 KQTs, KJTs, 0 Pen
> 7.3404 4 Flush, 2 Hi Cards, 0 HP Pen
> 7.3312 AKQs, AKJs, AQJs, 0 Pen
> 7.2911 Pair JJ, QQ, KK
> 7.2710 KQTs, KJTs, 1 St.Pen only
> 7.2248 AKQs,AKJs,AQJs, 1 St.Pen only
> 7.0212 4 Flush, 1 Hi Card
> 6.9796 KQTs, KJTs, Any 2 Pen
> 6.8316 AKTs, AQTs, AJTs, 0 Pen
> 6.7021 4 Flush, 0 Hi Cards
> 6.6975 AKTs,AQTs,AJTs, 1 St.Pen only
> 4.5745 4 ST, Open
> 4.1332 Pair 22, 33, 44
> 3.9130 JT9s
> 3.8807 QJ9s
> 3.7169 Pair 55 to TT
> 3.4274 3 STFL, Open, 0 Hi Cards
> 3.3947 AKQJ
> 3.3219 QJ8s
> 3.2886 QT9s, JT8s, J98s
> 3.2562 KQ9s, KJ9s
> 3.0851 4 ST, Inside, 3 Hi Cards
> 2.9356 QJs, 0 or Any 1 Pen
> 2.9223 KQs, KJs, 0 Pen
> 2.8862 QJs, Any 2 Pen
> 2.8631 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 0 Hi, 0 St.Pen
> 2.8458 AKs, AQs, AJs, 0 Pen
> 2.8353 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 1 Hi, 0 St.Pen
> 2.8252 KQs, KJs, 1 Fl.Pen only
> 2.8249 QJs, Any 3 Pen
> 2.8212 KQs, KJs, 1,2 St.Pen only
> 2.8030 3 FL, 2 Hi Cards
> 2.7978 AKs, AQs, AJs, 1 St.Pen only
> 2.7908 KQs, KJs, 1 St.Pen & 1 Fl.Pen
> 2.7891 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 0 Hi, 1 St.Pen
> 2.7660 4 ST, Inside, 2 Hi Cards
> 2.7573 KQs, KJs, Any 3 Pen
> 2.7428 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 1 Hi, 1 St.Pen
> 2.5994 KQJ
> 2.5057 JTs, 0 Pen
> 2.4699 QJT
> 2.4468 4 ST, Inside, 1 Hi Card
> 2.4086 JTs, 1 Fl.Pen only
> 2.3737 JTs, 1,2 St.Pen only
> 2.3723 QJ
> 2.3497 975s, 965s
> 2.3414 QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> 2.3358 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 0 Hi, 0 St.Pen
> 2.3259 JTs, 1 St.Pen & 1 Fl.Pen
> 2.3114 KQ, KJ, 0 St.Pen
> 2.2988 3 FL, 1 Hi Card
> 2.2941 JTs, Any 3 Pen
> 2.2868 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
> 2.2760 Ace, 0 Fl.Pen
> 2.2493 Ace, 1 Fl.Pen & no 2,3,4,5
> 2.2467 AK, AQ, AJ
> 2.2436 KTs
> 2.2436 Ace, 1 Fl.Pen
> 2.2254 Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
> 2.2155 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 0 Hi, 1 St.Pen
> 2.1705 Queen
> 2.1549 King
> 2.1532 Jack, 1 Fl.Pen
> 2.1277 4 ST, Inside, 0 Hi Cards
> 1.8039 3 FL, 0 Hi Cards
> 1.6453 Redraw
>
> PAYTABLE
> ------------------------------
> Royal Flush 4000.00
> Straight Flush 250.00
> Four Aces 800.00
> Four 2-4s 400.00
> Four 5-10s 250.00
> Four J-Ks 250.00
> Full House 50.00
> Flush 35.00
> Straight 25.00
> Three of Kind 15.00
> Two Pair 5.00
> Jacks or Better 5.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://tinyurl.com/v9qq
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hansjurgent" <hansjurgent16@h...>
wrote:

Can you post your compressed 10/7 DB strategy chart for the
strategy challenged?

here's my advanced min bankroll strategy:

5SF>4RF>PAT>4SF>2A>4FL3H>HP>4FL>3RF>4STo>

JT9s>QJ9s>LP>AKQJ>3SF0>4STi3H>QJs>2RFKnoSP>

3SF1noSP>3FL2H>2RF2H>4STi2H>3SF1>KQJ>QJT>QJ>
4STi1H>JTs>3SF2noSP>QTsnoFP>KHnoSP>3FL1H>

3SF2>KTs>1H>4STi>3FL

(AH=ace plus a high card)
(AnoFP=ace no flush penalty)
(KHnoSP=king plus a high card and no straight penalty)

Thanks man,

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dirtyroyal2004a"
<dirtyroyal2004a@y...> wrote:

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hansjurgent" <hansjurgent16@h...>
wrote:
> Can you post your compressed 10/7 DB strategy chart for the
> strategy challenged?

here's my advanced min bankroll strategy:

5SF>4RF>PAT>4SF>2A>4FL3H>HP>4FL>3RF>4STo>
>JT9s>QJ9s>LP>AKQJ>3SF0>4STi3H>QJs>2RFKnoSP>
3SF1noSP>3FL2H>2RF2H>4STi2H>3SF1>KQJ>QJT>QJ>
4STi1H>JTs>3SF2noSP>QTsnoFP>KHnoSP>3FL1H>
>>>>3SF2>KTs>1H>4STi>3FL

(AH=ace plus a high card)
(AnoFP=ace no flush penalty)
(KHnoSP=king plus a high card and no straight penalty)