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Update from Rob Singer, Jean Scott, et al

#1

thymos_one wrote:

Rather than aiming all the vitriol at Rob Singer's "strategies"
why not point the spotlight on the professional writers who are members
of this site, but, rarely if ever share their wealth of information on
specific slot clubs. Just like dancer who points to entries in the
database being outdated, but doesn't lift a finger to update the
database. Perhaps he should be barred, or the anonymous administrator,
could stop promoting his columns until he adds updates to the database.
It would also be nice to have Jean Scott add some useful content, rather
than just promoting her books and software...

Bob Dancer gave vpFREE a gratuitous, accurate plug in his
column, which I appreciate. He isn't a member of vpFREE
and doesn't have an obligation to update the DataBase.
Boycotting Dancer columns makes no sense to me.

Jean Scott is a vpFREE member and is a frequent and valuable
poster. Her contributions to the video poker community are
huge, and she was recently inducted into the vpFREE Hall of
Fame.

vpFREE Administrator

#2

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@y...>
wrote:

thymos_one wrote:
> Rather than aiming all the vitriol at Rob Singer's "strategies"
> why not point the spotlight on the professional writers who are

members

> of this site, but, rarely if ever share their wealth of

information on

> specific slot clubs. Just like dancer who points to entries in the
> database being outdated, but doesn't lift a finger to update the
> database. Perhaps he should be barred, or the anonymous

administrator,

> could stop promoting his columns until he adds updates to the

database.

> It would also be nice to have Jean Scott add some useful content,

rather

> than just promoting her books and software...

Bob Dancer gave vpFREE a gratuitous, accurate plug in his
column, which I appreciate. He isn't a member of vpFREE
and doesn't have an obligation to update the DataBase.
Boycotting Dancer columns makes no sense to me.

What you say above may well be true, but how do you know he is not a
member of the group, since the membership is largely anonymous,
including the moderator! right Bob...just kidding. It would be nice
if he would give something back to the community that has been good
for him by providing some pro bono database updates.

Jean Scott is a vpFREE member and is a frequent and valuable
poster. Her contributions to the video poker community are
huge, and she was recently inducted into the vpFREE Hall of
Fame.

vpFREE Administrator

Perhaps you could highlight some of this huge contribution to this
board that I may have overlooked, selling books and software doesn't
qualify in my estimation. I think Jean has benefited from this board
far more than her contribution. Her books seem little more than a
distillation of topics from this board, just a bit outdated. This is
in contrast to several frequent "volunteer" contributors on here. I
will give a few examples:

All contributors to the discussion of variance, even those whose
reasoning were slightly faulty, still contributed tremendously.

The person who posted his results of worst sessions by denomination,
really gave a valuable hands on insight into the risk of loss.

The posting on point requirements on diamond in a day by casino.

I think have read so many interesting and useful posts by Harry
Porter, that I can't even list all of them.

#3

I made it to one of Bob Dancer's classes at the
Fiesta Henderson and learned quite a bit. One thing I
remember him saying, perhaps in response to a question
if I may paraphrase was that to his knowledge, there
was only one other "professional" VP player that did
not keep secret some of their opportunities, that is
that put everything in their writings or would answer
any question and that person was Jean Scott.

Bob Dancer gave vpFREE a gratuitous, accurate plug
in his
column, which I appreciate. He isn't a member of
vpFREE
and doesn't have an obligation to update the
DataBase.
Boycotting Dancer columns makes no sense to me.

Jean Scott is a vpFREE member and is a frequent and
valuable
poster. Her contributions to the video poker
community are
huge, and she was recently inducted into the vpFREE
Hall of
Fame.

vpFREE Administrator

   I think some of you people need to lighten up:-)

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#4

The above statement is a little bit jumbled, but if I understand the
gist of it, that Jean Scott posts here or elsewhere her complete
knowledge of video poker opportunities, defined expansively to include
add on comp and cash back, then I am surprised. I would have thought
her personal database and casino insight to be larger.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Joe Pucek <joepucek@y...> wrote:

   I made it to one of Bob Dancer's classes at the
Fiesta Henderson and learned quite a bit. One thing I
remember him saying, perhaps in response to a question
if I may paraphrase was that to his knowledge, there
was only one other "professional" VP player that did
not keep secret some of their opportunities, that is
that put everything in their writings or would answer
any question and that person was Jean Scott.

#5

Perhaps you could highlight some of this huge contribution to this
board that I may have overlooked, selling books and software

doesn't

qualify in my estimation.

I know Jean has occasionally answered my posts with useful
information and over the years has been a polite and helpful
participant in this forum. I would not limit her participation here
to just salesmanship.

I think Jean has benefited from this board

far more than her contribution.

I know that I, and probably many others, have benefited more from
this board than they have contributed. It is possible that is the
case with JS. Is it possible that is the case with you also?

Her books seem little more than a

distillation of topics from this board, just a bit outdated.

You are welcome to that viewpoint and free not to purchase her
products.

Chandler

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cmayhem2001" <omnibibulous1@c...>
wrote:

I know Jean has occasionally answered my posts with useful
information and over the years has been a polite and helpful
participant in this forum. I would not limit her participation
here
to just salesmanship.

I agree, I just think the balance should be shifted more towards
helpfulness and less towards sales, be helpful and sales will
multiply...or something like that.

I think Jean has benefited from this board
> far more than her contribution.

I know that I, and probably many others, have benefited more from
this board than they have contributed. It is possible that is the
case with JS. Is it possible that is the case with you also?

Her books seem little more than a
> distillation of topics from this board, just a bit outdated.

I suspect most people have benefited more than they have contributed,
it may even be 100%, that's the wonderful thing about sites like
this, it's not a zero sum game, everyone can be a winner! I just
think it is incumbent upon those who benefit financially from this
community to make an extra effort to be helpful.

You are welcome to that viewpoint and free not to purchase her
products.

Chandler

Thank you.

Thymos not Hubris!

#7

Not to defend myself - but a couple of explanations might be in order. I
have written the Frugal Friday's column almost every week for over 5 years.
Since vpFree puts a link to that every week, I figure you all on this forum
get a lot of the information that I would normally post here if I didn't
write that column. Putting it in a FF column allows me to get it out to
even more people.

I do try to answer a lot of questions on this forum. The problem is that
sometimes the questions have such long answers - nothing in gambling is
simple, it seems. So after I have given some of the basic facts, I do refer
them to an additional resource for more details. Sometimes the whole answer
took me a whole chapter to explain. I would refer to other sources IF
there were others that addressed the question. There are no other reliable
books available that cover gambling taxes, slot clubs, machine comps ,
promotions, etc. in any depth. I never really wanted to go back to
writing after I retired from teaching school. I certainly didn't need the
money - and it's really hard time-consuming work - and it cuts into my VP
playing time!!!! But I saw such a need!

I have acknowledged the help of many others in my writings, including the VP
forums. This comes from the "Acknowledgments" in Frugal 2: "I feel like a
literary sponge: taking in gambling and casino information, thoughts,
facts, ideas, and data from the thousands of sources; mixing, sorting, and
organizing this raw material; testing it in the heat of personal experience;
then squeezing out words for a book to share with others, hopefully in a
helpful way. So many people inhabit these pages that it would take another
whole book to list all their names."

I am extremely grateful to all of you who have expressed their thanks for
my writings. If you all would stop being so appreciative, I could
retire!!!!!!

But enough of this subject. I must go back to working on another book I am trying to finish, yet another book I didn't want to write!!!! :slight_smile:

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#8

<<The above statement is a little bit jumbled, but if I understand the
gist of it, that Jean Scott posts here or elsewhere her complete
knowledge of video poker opportunities, defined expansively to include
add on comp and cash back, then I am surprised. I would have thought
her personal database and casino insight to be larger.>>

When there were more good VP plays available, I did give more specific information. There were enough good ones to take on more players. Now I don't get so specific - more discussion about the religious philosophy rather than the church and the pew!

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Jean $�ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards.
  NEW - Blackjack Strategy Cards +
              Updated Second Edition of
             "The Frugal Gambler."

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@y...>
wrote:
> thymos_one wrote:
> > Rather than aiming all the vitriol at Rob Singer's "strategies"
> > why not point the spotlight on the professional writers who are
members
> > of this site, but, rarely if ever share their wealth of
information on
> > specific slot clubs. Just like dancer who points to entries in

the

> > database being outdated, but doesn't lift a finger to update the
> > database. Perhaps he should be barred, or the anonymous
administrator,
> > could stop promoting his columns until he adds updates to the
database.
> > It would also be nice to have Jean Scott add some useful

content,

rather
> > than just promoting her books and software...
>

> Bob Dancer gave vpFREE a gratuitous, accurate plug in his
> column, which I appreciate. He isn't a member of vpFREE
> and doesn't have an obligation to update the DataBase.
> Boycotting Dancer columns makes no sense to me.

What you say above may well be true, but how do you know he is not

a

member of the group, since the membership is largely anonymous,
including the moderator! right Bob...just kidding. It would be nice
if he would give something back to the community that has been good
for him by providing some pro bono database updates.

>Jean Scott is a vpFREE member and is a frequent and valuable
> poster. Her contributions to the video poker community are
> huge, and she was recently inducted into the vpFREE Hall of
> Fame.
>
> vpFREE Administrator

Perhaps you could highlight some of this huge contribution to this
board that I may have overlooked, selling books and software

doesn't

qualify in my estimation. I think Jean has benefited from this

board

far more than her contribution. Her books seem little more than a
distillation of topics from this board, just a bit outdated. This

is

in contrast to several frequent "volunteer" contributors on here. I
will give a few examples:

All contributors to the discussion of variance, even those whose
reasoning were slightly faulty, still contributed tremendously.

The person who posted his results of worst sessions by

denomination,

really gave a valuable hands on insight into the risk of loss.

The posting on point requirements on diamond in a day by casino.

I think have read so many interesting and useful posts by Harry
Porter, that I can't even list all of them.

For people to be saying that Dancer and Jean Scott do not contribute
enough to the VP community is appalling and insulting. Personally I
wouldn't even be aware of the VP world as we know it that has
provided me and many others in this group so many hours of
entertainment if it weren't for their influence. Is there anyone
here who is using a VP software program besides WinPoker or Frugal?
Therefore, we wouldn't even have the knowledge to play these games at
a decent level without Dancer or Scott. Sure there are charts that
can be studied, but computer practice is a must if you want to become
proficient. I'm sure someone else would have come along to write
some good software, but the fact is that they are the ones who have
done it and shown us how to make the most of the many great VP
opportunities out there. This post is not an attack on any one
individual on this board, but it seems that there is a lot of unjust
hostility toward Dancer and Scott and I just wanted to voice my
opinion that they don't deserve it.

Also, people are upset that Dancer and Scott don't reveal more good
opportunities to the board. Then when great opportunitiues are
revealed (such as the $1 FPDW at Wynn), people are upset that the cat
is out of the bag and also that people are playing these
opportunities too much. We can't have it both ways. I have no facts
that the same people are upset in both instances, but it just seems
odd to me. The point of this group is to help people and share ideas
and knowledge. There seems to be far too much hostility lately. VP
is fun people!!!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

#10

Had to chime in with my 2c.

Neither Bob Dancer nor Jean Scott are computer programmers. In each
case, for a monetary reward, they have endorsed a product and they
have extolled the virtues of their respective products.

Both products are excellent. Both are vital in our pursuit of video
poker knowledge. Each have features that the other doesn't, etc.
Both are great and Dean Zamzow and Jim Wolfe should both be very proud
of what they have created.

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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:35:37 -0000, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@y...>
wrote:
> thymos_one wrote:
> > Rather than aiming all the vitriol at Rob Singer's "strategies"
> > why not point the spotlight on the professional writers who are
members
> > of this site, but, rarely if ever share their wealth of
information on
> > specific slot clubs. Just like dancer who points to entries in

the

> > database being outdated, but doesn't lift a finger to update the
> > database. Perhaps he should be barred, or the anonymous
administrator,
> > could stop promoting his columns until he adds updates to the
database.
> > It would also be nice to have Jean Scott add some useful

content,

rather
> > than just promoting her books and software...
>

> Bob Dancer gave vpFREE a gratuitous, accurate plug in his
> column, which I appreciate. He isn't a member of vpFREE
> and doesn't have an obligation to update the DataBase.
> Boycotting Dancer columns makes no sense to me.

What you say above may well be true, but how do you know he is not

a

member of the group, since the membership is largely anonymous,
including the moderator! right Bob...just kidding. It would be nice
if he would give something back to the community that has been good
for him by providing some pro bono database updates.

>Jean Scott is a vpFREE member and is a frequent and valuable
> poster. Her contributions to the video poker community are
> huge, and she was recently inducted into the vpFREE Hall of
> Fame.
>
> vpFREE Administrator

Perhaps you could highlight some of this huge contribution to this
board that I may have overlooked, selling books and software

doesn't

qualify in my estimation. I think Jean has benefited from this

board

far more than her contribution. Her books seem little more than a
distillation of topics from this board, just a bit outdated. This

is

in contrast to several frequent "volunteer" contributors on here. I
will give a few examples:

All contributors to the discussion of variance, even those whose
reasoning were slightly faulty, still contributed tremendously.

The person who posted his results of worst sessions by

denomination,

really gave a valuable hands on insight into the risk of loss.

The posting on point requirements on diamond in a day by casino.

I think have read so many interesting and useful posts by Harry
Porter, that I can't even list all of them.

For pe

opportunities too much. We can't have it both ways. I have no facts
that the same people are upset in both instances, but it just seems
odd to me. The point of this group is to help people and share ideas
and knowledge. There seems to be far too much hostility lately. VP
is fun people!!!

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