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Unsuited AJ vs J Alone in All American Poker

#1

Prior to our recent trip to Las Vegas, I practiced All American Poker
a lot.

Having done so, and having tried to eliminate as many of those error
messages as I could, I have to disagree with Harry Porter's statement
(message #28452), that "if there's another card in the hand suited
the same as the jack, you hold ace-jack, otherwise you hold only the
jack".

Here's what I've found works.

Draw to the jack alone, except as follows:

1. if there's an off-suit(to the jack) nine in the hand, draw to the
   ace-jack.
2. if there's a low card (six and under) suited with the jack,
   AND either an off-suit seven, eight, or ten, draw to the ace-jack.
3. if you have a seven suited with the jack, draw to the ace-jack.
4. if you have a card higher than a seven suited with the jack,
   draw to it and the jack.

#2

Prior to our recent trip to Las Vegas, I practiced All American Poker
a lot.

Here's what I've found works.

Draw to the jack alone, except as follows:

1. if there's an off-suit(to the jack) nine in the hand, draw to the
   ace-jack.

BUT, if it's a 10, jack only is correct???

4. if you have a card higher than a seven suited with the jack,
   draw to it and the jack.

UNLESS it's an suited 8 with a offsuit 9 or 10 between???

Those 2 improvements along with your 4 should keep U fine tuned..

AND be careful of the Ace low SF. If U have a low pair and it's part
of the SF, U go for the SF, but if the low pair is not part of the SF,
U go for the 4 card STR..

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#3

neilemb wrote:

Prior to our recent trip to Las Vegas, I practiced All American
Poker a lot.

Having done so, and having tried to eliminate as many of those error
messages as I could, I have to disagree with Harry Porter's
statement (message #28452), that "if there's another card in the
hand suited the same as the jack, you hold ace-jack, otherwise you
hold only the jack".

Here's what I've found works.

Draw to the jack alone, except as follows:
1. if there's an off-suit(to the jack) nine in the hand, draw to the
   ace-jack.
2. if there's a low card (six and under) suited with the jack,
   AND either an off-suit seven, eight, or ten, draw to the
   ace-jack.
3. if you have a seven suited with the jack, draw to the ace-jack.
4. if you have a card higher than a seven suited with the jack,
   draw to it and the jack.

I suspect you've got this nailed tightly.

But for the player who's interested in getting the A-J hold right when
it's most costly, the single basic guidance of "hold just the Jack
except when there's a flush penalty to the Jack" will do quite nicely.
It should retain over 95% of the potential error cost.

The other rules deal with far less potential cost and/or hands that
occur very infrequently. But if motivated, there's no reason not to
incorporate them provided it doesn't get in the way of your main play.

Of course, when it comes to penalty considerations, a player can
choose to ignore them altogether without signficant cost. Truth is,
if it weren't that I use winpoker to practice, I'd be ignoring them as
well.

- Harry