I have read that if someone leaves a multiplier on this it is a +ev play to play it. By that same logic, you would keep playing the machine until you leave no multipliers for the next hand. I saw a machine in Imperial Palace that was 6/5 JOB triple play... with such a bad paytable is it still a +ev play? I am leaning towards yes because even a 2x multiplier would send the royal into such a positive state the bad paytable wouldnt matter. Opinions? experiences?
Ed
It's +ev with the caveat that you don't make the side wager.
So if you see a game with multipliers left over, play the 5cr/hand to claim the multiplier, and then leave.
Note that operators generally frown heavily on multiplier fishing, so keep that in mind if that's a concern for you.
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:23 AM, "Edward" <theshadow7478@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have read that if someone leaves a multiplier on this it is a +ev play to play it. By that same logic, you would keep playing the machine until you leave no multipliers for the next hand. I saw a machine in Imperial Palace that was 6/5 JOB triple play... with such a bad paytable is it still a +ev play? I am leaning towards yes because even a 2x multiplier would send the royal into such a positive state the bad paytable wouldnt matter. Opinions? experiences?
Ed
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*good luck finding these plays anymore at some casinos. there are many
individuals who troll the ultimate x sections for just this purpose,
looking only for 'leftovers', and playing them off.
*
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Edward <theshadow7478@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I have read that if someone leaves a multiplier on this it is a +ev play
to play it. By that same logic, you would keep playing the machine until
you leave no multipliers for the next hand. I saw a machine in Imperial
Palace that was 6/5 JOB triple play... with such a bad paytable is it still
a +ev play? I am leaning towards yes because even a 2x multiplier would
send the royal into such a positive state the bad paytable wouldnt matter.
Opinions? experiences?Ed
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Better yet, at Harrah's Rincon I encountered con artists who will offer to 'show you how to play'. I would assume they will say the machine is cold and suggest you leave when some high multipliers exist for the next hand.
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Agonpd <agonpd@gmail.com> wrote:
*good luck finding these plays anymore at some casinos. there are many
individuals who troll the ultimate x sections for just this purpose,
looking only for 'leftovers', and playing them off.
*
Those individuals are definitely after my own heart.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Agonpd <agonpd@...> wrote:
there are many individuals who troll the ultimate x sections for just this purpose,looking only for 'leftovers', and playing them off.
Sounds like Nick The Sick.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
At Harrah's Rincon I encountered con artists who will offer to 'show you how to play'. I would assume they will say the machine is cold and suggest you leave when some high multipliers exist for the next hand.
They even go so far as to have you play every different game so that you leave multipliers on each.
One player I know told me about a time that one of these scumbags offered to show her how to play. He basically wanted to take her through every game and told her that the game gets cold as soon as it gives you anything decent on the deal and that you have to move to the next game at that point. Once you go through all the games on the machine, he advised moving to the next machine and doing the same. Because she was curious to hear his "sell" she followed his advice as he coached her to play. After going through a few games, she asked him, "What about all those multipliers that I'm leaving on the game?" He said that they were gimmicks trying to get you to stay on the game when it is programmed to get cold so that you lose. She told him that in case, she'll just play one more hand on each game at 5 coins so she doesn't get sucked into a "cold" machine.
He then gave her an indignant look, probably thinking how dare she waste his time if she knew the scam he was trying to pull on her. Sounds like a real piece of crap. Apparently he got up and spoke to a person standing nearby. Most likely, as he is coaching the victim to leave multipliers on the game and move down the line from machine to machine, there is probably at least one person to just come along and play off the multipliers as soon as he gets the victim to leave the machine and move on to the next.
You just can't help but hope horrible things happen to a**holes like that.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Better yet, at Harrah's Rincon I encountered con artists who will offer to 'show you how to play'. I would assume they will say the machine is cold and suggest you leave when some high multipliers exist for the next hand.
One player I know told me about a time that one of these scumbags offered to show her how to play. He basically wanted to take her through every game and told her that the game gets cold as soon as it gives you anything decent on the deal and that you have to move to the next game at that point
This scenario as you describe it is definitely Nick The Sick's motus operandi. He's been barred out of every casino in Nevada so it may be him that's at Rincon. The neighborhood crack salesman will wind up with all the money ...
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This scenario as you describe it is definitely Nick The Sick's motus operandi. He's been barred out of every casino in Nevada so it may be him that's at Rincon. The neighborhood crack salesman will wind up with all the money.
Thats what you would think, but I find plays almost everwhere I go.
The thing is- they are not as visable as say a Cherry Pie, nor take as long to get playable as the wongable slots did.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Agonpd <agonpd@...> wrote:
*good luck finding these plays anymore at some casinos. there are many
individuals who troll the ultimate x sections for just this purpose,
looking only for 'leftovers', and playing them off.
*
You are absolutely correct. Ran into one of them just 2 weeks ago. I suggested they find somewhere else to play
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Better yet, at Harrah's Rincon I encountered con artists who will offer to 'show you how to play'. I would assume they will say the machine is cold and suggest you leave when some high multipliers exist for the next hand.
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Agonpd <agonpd@...> wrote:
> *good luck finding these plays anymore at some casinos. there are many
> individuals who troll the ultimate x sections for just this purpose,
> looking only for 'leftovers', and playing them off.
> *
While at a high-roller lounge in Las Vegas, I sat down to check the Ultimate machines for multipliers when a guy sits next to me and must have thought I was a tourist. He said he could get a 4-of-a-kind any time he wanted because a buddy of his who was a technician, had shown him a "glitch" in the machines. He said he would be glad to show me how to exploit the glitch. When I said OK, he told me to put some money in the machine. I said "Why don't you just show me with your money on the machine your on now." His reply was that he had won too many times in that casino and didn't want to get a tax form because management would recognize him and he might get banned. He said when I won I could just give him half of the winnings, and if I got a tax form I could take the tax out of his winnings. I told him I only had $7 on me which was not enough to play on a $ 1 machine. I never did tell him I was just there to scan the machines for multipliers.
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: ultimate x poker
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
Better yet, at Harrah's Rincon I encountered con artists who will offer to 'show you how to play'. I would assume they will say the machine is cold and suggest you leave when some high multipliers exist for the next hand.
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You do have to examine every game and every denomination. For example, the other day I saw something interesting at $1 level for Double Bonus.
If you selected Ultimate X Five Play, the paytable was 10/6/4. But if you chose Ten Play, the paytable changed to 9/6/5.