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U. S. Withholding Taxes

Recently, my wife won $150 in a video poker tournament at the Barbary
Coast. When she went to pick up her winnings, she was told that, due
to new rules imposed subsequent to the Coast-Boyd merger, 30% of her
prize amount would be withheld since she is a Canadian citizen. I
don't know if this is a Boyd interpretation of IRS requirements or
something else. I do know that we have never been exposed to such an
idea previously, and we have won money prizes of similar or larger
amounts.

Has anyone ever heard of this before (i.e., withholding 30% of such a
small amount)?

For that matter, does anyone have anyone have any idea why our
Canadian government allows a foreign country (the USA) to tax net
gambling winnings when such winnings are not taxable in Canada?
Scores of countries have tax treaties with the US that preclude this.

My wife can be very persuasive. She argued that, because she has a
Social Security Number (she once worked in the US), the rule
shouldn't apply to her, and the booth attendant reluctantly accepted
the argument.

Neil

We have a tax treaty also, you can read it on the IRS website. We peasants will never know what goes through the alleged minds of the politicians on both sides of the border. The upside of it is that with a US ID number it is relatively easy under the updated tax treaty to get a refund from the US. I have never heard of a withholding on that small an amount either. I won a $500 drawing 2 years ago and they didn't ask for anything in the way of withholding.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: neilemb
  To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:08 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] U. S. Withholding Taxes

  Recently, my wife won $150 in a video poker tournament at the Barbary
  Coast. When she went to pick up her winnings, she was told that, due
  to new rules imposed subsequent to the Coast-Boyd merger, 30% of her
  prize amount would be withheld since she is a Canadian citizen. I
  don't know if this is a Boyd interpretation of IRS requirements or
  something else. I do know that we have never been exposed to such an
  idea previously, and we have won money prizes of similar or larger
  amounts.

  Has anyone ever heard of this before (i.e., withholding 30% of such a
  small amount)?

  For that matter, does anyone have anyone have any idea why our
  Canadian government allows a foreign country (the USA) to tax net
  gambling winnings when such winnings are not taxable in Canada?
  Scores of countries have tax treaties with the US that preclude this.

  My wife can be very persuasive. She argued that, because she has a
  Social Security Number (she once worked in the US), the rule
  shouldn't apply to her, and the booth attendant reluctantly accepted
  the argument.

  Neil

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...>
wrote:

We have a tax treaty also, you can read it on the IRS website. We

peasants will never know what goes through the alleged minds of the
politicians on both sides of the border. The upside of it is that
with a US ID number it is relatively easy under the updated tax
treaty to get a refund from the US. I have never heard of a
withholding on that small an amount either. I won a $500 drawing 2
years ago and they didn't ask for anything in the way of withholding.

Regards
A.P.

Does having a number, (I believe it's called an ITIN, Individual
Taxpayer Identification Number) guarantee you'll get a refund of all
withheld moneys, or does it merely facilitate filing a return?

My reading of the information in the IRS material suggests that,if
you have net gambling winnings, they will be taxed.

Neil

I always thought the withholding tax applied to amounts of $1200 and
greater. I won $1000 on a 25 cent machine (Royal) last year and
there was no question of who I was. They just paid. Maybe they
wouldn't have had they known I was a Canadian.

  Since the money was won it the U.S., Canada wouldn't have any say
as to how the tax is applied (the Canadian Gov't can only negotiate
tax treaties with the U.S.) I don't know what arrangements have been
made between the two countries except that you can apply and have
MOST of it returned.

Louis

Recently, my wife won $150 in a video poker tournament at the

Barbary

Coast. When she went to pick up her winnings, she was told that,

due

to new rules imposed subsequent to the Coast-Boyd merger, 30% of

her

prize amount would be withheld since she is a Canadian citizen. I
don't know if this is a Boyd interpretation of IRS requirements or
something else. I do know that we have never been exposed to such

an

idea previously, and we have won money prizes of similar or larger
amounts.

Has anyone ever heard of this before (i.e., withholding 30% of such

a

small amount)?

For that matter, does anyone have anyone have any idea why our
Canadian government allows a foreign country (the USA) to tax net
gambling winnings when such winnings are not taxable in Canada?
Scores of countries have tax treaties with the US that preclude

this.

My wife can be very persuasive. She argued that, because she has a
Social Security Number (she once worked in the US), the rule
shouldn't apply to her, and the booth attendant reluctantly

accepted

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@a...> wrote:

the argument.

Neil

Has anyone ever heard of this before (i.e., withholding 30% of such

a

small amount)?

For that matter, does anyone have anyone have any idea why our
Canadian government allows a foreign country (the USA) to tax net
gambling winnings when such winnings are not taxable in Canada?
Scores of countries have tax treaties with the US that preclude

this.

Well then, why are people visiting from Alberta charged PST when they
visit another province?
Overall, I don't think it's fair that governments charge taxes on
gaming winnings (as if EVERYONE wins when they gamble) because gaming
IS A TAX and because casinos pay CASINO TAXES in addition to business
taxes. Just thank your lucky stars (or maple leaves) that gaming
winnings aren't taxable in Canada. Yet....

You are correct on both counts. The number allows you to file, and you pay taxes on the net.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: neilemb
  To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:47 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: U. S. Withholding Taxes

  --- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...>
  wrote:
  > We have a tax treaty also, you can read it on the IRS website. We
  peasants will never know what goes through the alleged minds of the
  politicians on both sides of the border. The upside of it is that
  with a US ID number it is relatively easy under the updated tax
  treaty to get a refund from the US. I have never heard of a
  withholding on that small an amount either. I won a $500 drawing 2
  years ago and they didn't ask for anything in the way of withholding.
  >
  > Regards
  > A.P.

  Does having a number, (I believe it's called an ITIN, Individual
  Taxpayer Identification Number) guarantee you'll get a refund of all
  withheld moneys, or does it merely facilitate filing a return?

  My reading of the information in the IRS material suggests that,if
  you have net gambling winnings, they will be taxed.

  Neil

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