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Two Things Going On

Sorry for that last one folks- operator error or Yahoo Mail error, I'll never know. But, yeah, I know- probably the former.

I think people are falling into the trap of "things were better when....", when the reality is that things change and what is now the norm you can't really compare to what it was 5 or 10 years ago. That is how things were then and this is how they are now. Like comparing Babe Ruth or Joe DiMaggio to Hank Aaron or Barry Bonds- different eras simply aren't easily compared. Do I still go to Main Street Station to play the 10/7DB- yes, but rather than listen to the train and have to go to the Cal for breakfast (or have limited food options, period), I would still rather get a free room at Harrah's- yes, I have to give up EV to do that, but I'll still trying to find the best games there and evaluate the free rooms and some free food and see if it works for me versus what I am spending (loosing) on VP.

Maybe it is time for me to move on to MGM-Mirage, or maybe TI with Ruffin's ownership, but I admit it still bugs me to spend $200 ($79 a night plus taxes, etc) on a room after not paying for one for so long thanks to Harrah's. I think the days of full pay VP are coming to an end, as are decent comps- but, as I mentioned in one forum- on a Labor Day trip Paris LV comped me without using my TR points. I expected a well over $200 bill for food and a movie but it was less than $40 for the tips and I still have 4500+ points. Maybe they are re-thinking how they are treating the low diamond players- but I can't deny that may be wishful thinking. This recession is pretty much unprecedented, so management everywhere has to act a little differently- maybe they are making a mistake cutitng back and they should be giving better comps and paytables- we'll probably never know. We think it would help, but come on, the people on this forum are not the
normal casino customer- what would draw us in is not what would draw in the "ploppie" or normal customer. Only time will tell, but change, like fecal matter, happens.

Climbing down off my soap box now- Thanks for spending the time to read this- Lee.

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--- On Tue, 10/13/09, lee.crowell@sbcglobal.net <lee.crowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: lee.crowell@sbcglobal.net <lee.crowell@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Two Things Going On
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 3:05 PM

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Its not bitter. 6-5 blackjack full tables. The way I see it is casinos just want to seperate you from your money quicker and quicker.

Do you ever watch people play VP? Sure JoB is 99.5% return but, have you seen the awful play? The other day I saw a lady hold 3 cards to a double gap inside straight. A guy holding a pair and an single ace. It goes on and on.

I would say the casions hold on JoB is more like 6%. Just my thought. Who can fault the casinos 6-5 BJ would be gone if people didnt play it. Thank you to all that come to vegas and play it. 6-5 BJ will be the norm someday

1. Don't forget the common error of dumping a low pair for an outside straight.
2. 9/6 Jacks return about 98% which leaves the casino a TON of money. Craps returns 98.6 % on the line bets and nothing on the odds bets and requires 3 workers to be paid, fed and given medical.
3. If I ran a Vegas casino I would pay blackjacks at even money. The same California idiots who re-elect the political party that has raised the sales tax to 10.5% will keep playing-just give them their watered down drinks.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "radek2166" <radek2166@...> wrote:

Its not bitter. 6-5 blackjack full tables. The way I see it is casinos just want to seperate you from your money quicker and quicker.

Do you ever watch people play VP? Sure JoB is 99.5% return but, have you seen the awful play? The other day I saw a lady hold 3 cards to a double gap inside straight. A guy holding a pair and an single ace. It goes on and on.

I would say the casions hold on JoB is more like 6%. Just my thought. Who can fault the casinos 6-5 BJ would be gone if people didnt play it. Thank you to all that come to vegas and play it. 6-5 BJ will be the norm someday

There's a sucker born every minute :wink: and the casinos take full advantage of that.

But my take on things is that the casinos should offer a "loss-leader" like a nice full pay game, because there's a lot of people like me that would certainly frequent that casino and bring my not-so-savvy friends and relatives.

Christy

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-----Original Message-----
From: radek2166 <radek2166@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:12 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Two Things Going On

Its not bitter. 6-5 blackjack full tables. The way I see it is casinos just want to seperate you from your money quicker and quicker.

Do you ever watch people play VP? Sure JoB is 99.5% return but, have you seen the awful play? The other day I saw a lady hold 3 cards to a double gap inside straight. A guy holding a pair and an single ace. It goes on and on.

I would say the casions hold on JoB is more like 6%. Just my thought. Who can fault the casinos 6-5 BJ would be gone if people didnt play it. Thank you to all that come to vegas and play it. 6-5 BJ will be the norm someday

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You're absolutely correct on that point. Maybe that's why a place like Resorts in AC keeps exactly 2 9/6 quarter JOB for me to play while my wife blows hundreds on the idiot slots!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, casinochristy@... wrote:

There's a sucker born every minute :wink: and the casinos take full advantage of that.

But my take on things is that the casinos should offer a "loss-leader" like a nice full pay game, because there's a lot of people like me that would certainly frequent that casino and bring my not-so-savvy friends and relatives.

Christy
-----Original Message-----
From: radek2166 <radek2166@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:12 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Two Things Going On

Its not bitter. 6-5 blackjack full tables. The way I see it is casinos just want to seperate you from your money quicker and quicker.

Do you ever watch people play VP? Sure JoB is 99.5% return but, have you seen the awful play? The other day I saw a lady hold 3 cards to a double gap inside straight. A guy holding a pair and an single ace. It goes on and on.

I would say the casions hold on JoB is more like 6%. Just my thought. Who can fault the casinos 6-5 BJ would be gone if people didnt play it. Thank you to all that come to vegas and play it. 6-5 BJ will be the norm someday

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