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TV coverage. Was: Re: FPDW at Wynn

#1

"Heresy" and "Truth" are not mutually exclusive!

What you say below is absolutely true.

It is why, ideally, we (knowledgeable players) should encourage the
uneducated "hordes" to play full pay machines, but not teach them HOW to play them!
With very few exceptions ("loss leaders," like the 25c FPDW progressive at the
Palms), the casino must "hold" a certain amount per machine, or eventually
that machine will be removed, or the paytable shorted.

This is why the dollar FPDW probably cannot last long at Wynn--they are ONLY
(or at least 99%) getting skilled play. It is hard for me to believe that
Wynn will accept a loss of $6000+/day on these machines, just for the "good
press" it might generate. Hopefully, I am wrong! There are still those in the
business of running casinos who blindly believe that play=profit, and
bigplay=bigprofit! If someone like that is "in charge" of Wynn's VP inventory, I
suppose it's possible the machines could be around for some time. But I truly
doubt it!

Brian

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In a message dated 8/20/2005 3:20:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:

It also harkens back to the heresy that I stated a few weeks ago.
The "advantage" player gets his/her "winnings" off the back of
the "uninitiated", not really from the casinos. There can only
be "advantage" games because the "hordes" play so miserably, ane we
(the advantage players) get some of the casino's "scraps".

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#2

I have heard/seen several players as they switched around to various other games when they were playing these machines - DB and even 9/6 JoB. So even some people who call themselves advantage players don't always stick to the best games, even on the same machine. So it doesn't surprise me any when ploppies switch games all the time trying to find a game where they can get lucky. Hopefully enough of those players will get on the machines to increase the casino's profit.

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#3

---somebody tell bob dancer to quit playing both sides of the fence.
first he teaches everyone how to play the good games and then tells
the casino management that they can't afford to have these good games

"Heresy" and "Truth" are not mutually exclusive!

What you say below is absolutely true.

It is why, ideally, we (knowledgeable players) should encourage

the

uneducated "hordes" to play full pay machines, but not teach them

HOW to play them!

With very few exceptions ("loss leaders," like the 25c FPDW

progressive at the

Palms), the casino must "hold" a certain amount per machine, or

eventually

that machine will be removed, or the paytable shorted.

This is why the dollar FPDW probably cannot last long at Wynn--

they are ONLY

(or at least 99%) getting skilled play. It is hard for me to

believe that

Wynn will accept a loss of $6000+/day on these machines, just for

the "good

press" it might generate. Hopefully, I am wrong! There are still

those in the

business of running casinos who blindly believe that play=profit,

and

bigplay=bigprofit! If someone like that is "in charge" of Wynn's

VP inventory, I

suppose it's possible the machines could be around for some time.

But I truly

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on the floor. will this nonsense ever end?? In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@a... wrote:

doubt it!

Brian

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In a message dated 8/20/2005 3:20:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bornloser1537@y... writes:

It also harkens back to the heresy that I stated a few weeks ago.
The "advantage" player gets his/her "winnings" off the back of
the "uninitiated", not really from the casinos. There can only
be "advantage" games because the "hordes" play so miserably, ane

we

(the advantage players) get some of the casino's "scraps".

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

Guys, you're starting to catch on. Bob's problem, IMHO, is that it
wasn't good enough for him to be the most proficient VP talent
around-he wanted to be the ONLY VP talent around. I realize hitting a
$100 RF is the equvalent of climbing Everest. Still, if the guy had
any brains, he would have come up with a better next move. I have
never considered him more than an average plus talent who got lucky in
the right place and time. Lots of guys have made more than he has.

This is where we are with VP right now. Last I heard, Bob was teaching
senior citizens to play Triple Deuces for Stations. That's right,
teach people who are on fixed incomes to play a game with 92-coin
variance. That's just plain evil and irresponsible, if you ask me.

Protecting a VP section is hardly rocket science.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@y...> wrote:

---somebody tell bob dancer to quit playing both sides of the fence.
first he teaches everyone how to play the good games and then tells
the casino management that they can't afford to have these good games
on the floor. will this nonsense ever end??

#5

I could not agree more. He is the biggest reason for the decline of good games.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "paladin415x" <paladin415x@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] TV coverage. Was: Re: FPDW at Wynn

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@y...> wrote:

---somebody tell bob dancer to quit playing both sides of the fence.
first he teaches everyone how to play the good games and then tells
the casino management that they can't afford to have these good games
on the floor. will this nonsense ever end??

Guys, you're starting to catch on. Bob's problem, IMHO, is that it
wasn't good enough for him to be the most proficient VP talent
around-he wanted to be the ONLY VP talent around. I realize hitting a
$100 RF is the equvalent of climbing Everest. Still, if the guy had
any brains, he would have come up with a better next move. I have
never considered him more than an average plus talent who got lucky in
the right place and time. Lots of guys have made more than he has.

This is where we are with VP right now. Last I heard, Bob was teaching
senior citizens to play Triple Deuces for Stations. That's right,
teach people who are on fixed incomes to play a game with 92-coin
variance. That's just plain evil and irresponsible, if you ask me.

Protecting a VP section is hardly rocket science.

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