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9. Trump Plaza poker plans
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:47 pm ((PST))

Hi Gang:
Hedy and I attended a Signature event party at Trump Plaza last Saturday and
had an interesting conversation with one of the Plaza's hosts we've known
for years. We hadn't been to the Plaza in about a year and a half and told the
host that we were surprised to see that the East Tower casino basically did
not exist anymore. A wall has been built close to the escalators which bring
you up to the main casino floor, closing off about 90% of the area. We asked
if there were any future plans for that part of the casino and I, for one, was
surprised by the answer.
We were told that the plans were for that area to house a poker room (TP
does not have one now) but the real revelation was that the room would be
stocked with the automated Poker Pro tables!
These tables are computerized and have no dealers. It's basically like
playing poker online except for the fact that real people are seated at the
table
and make decisions by pressing buttons.
I have played at these tables on cruise chips in the past but have never
seen one in a land-based casino. I like them for a number of reasons, not the
least of which is that there is never a dispute about side pots or split pots.
Everything is controlled electronically, so there are fewer mistakes such as
betting out of turn, not posting blinds etc. I know there are some former
poker dealers on this forum and putting people out of work is never a very
happy
prospect, but I thought I'd share this info for the poker players out there.
I'd just like to stress, however, that the host we talked to said this was
"THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, but that nothing was written in stone."
Regards,

Thanks for this info. Having heard about these on this forum, I tried them at Four Winds in New Buffalo (?) MI, and personally didn't care much for it. The weirdest part was feeling like you're playing online, and then having someone across the table speak directly to you about the hand in progress!

Also, you cup your hands over the screen's card backs to look at your cards, and the guy next to me was standing up a lot, so I never felt totally secure that he couldn't see my cards (I guess I could have asked him to sit down or stand somewhere else, or asked the floor to talk to him about it).

Anyway, I won't be going back to play those again under ordinary circumstances. If I was in a location with no other poker choices (such as a cruise ship) I might put up with the negatives. All that said, the poker room there was busy. Don't know if it saves the casino that much money, since it seemed to take many more "supervisors" to run the room than usual - but I guess fewer total people than if you had live dealers.

The advantages for the player are the same as online: faster dealing, no playing out of turn, side pots and split pots awarded rapidly and correctly, and other advantages of computer over human.

Most objections, when I've discussed it with friends, are answered by "that can't happen" - because the problems people anticipate are all impossible to occur due to the computer taking care of everything.

--BG

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-B Glazer - Do you live in the New Buffalo area?? I live in
Elkhart, IN and go to Blue Chip as a VIP and have only gone to 4
Winds a couple of times. Since I play 3/5/10 hands VP - 4 Winds does
not have a lot of them like Blue Chip. I did see the computer poker
machines in the poker room but didn't sit down and play - I play
tournament play locally 3 times a week - chips only - no money. When
we went to Harrah's/Laughlin, I played in a live Texas Hold 'Em
tournament for the first time and came in 5th out of about 15 of us.
My husband is more aggressive and wins - while I try to make a final
table. My "free" trip to Harrah's/New Orleans is coming up on Feb
26th so look forward to hitting "the big one" there. Barb R.

> 9. Trump Plaza poker plans
> Date: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:47 pm ((PST))
>
> Hi Gang:
> Hedy and I attended a Signature event party at Trump Plaza last

Saturday and

> had an interesting conversation with one of the Plaza's hosts

we've known

> for years. We hadn't been to the Plaza in about a year and a half

and told the

> host that we were surprised to see that the East Tower casino

basically did

> not exist anymore. A wall has been built close to the escalators

which bring

> you up to the main casino floor, closing off about 90% of the

area. We asked

> if there were any future plans for that part of the casino and I,

for one, was

> surprised by the answer.
> We were told that the plans were for that area to house a poker

room (TP

> does not have one now) but the real revelation was that the room

would be

> stocked with the automated Poker Pro tables!
> These tables are computerized and have no dealers. It's basically

like

> playing poker online except for the fact that real people are

seated at the

> table
> and make decisions by pressing buttons.
> I have played at these tables on cruise chips in the past but

have never

> seen one in a land-based casino. I like them for a number of

reasons, not the

> least of which is that there is never a dispute about side pots

or split pots.

> Everything is controlled electronically, so there are fewer

mistakes such as

> betting out of turn, not posting blinds etc. I know there are

some former

> poker dealers on this forum and putting people out of work is

never a very

> happy
> prospect, but I thought I'd share this info for the poker players

out there.

> I'd just like to stress, however, that the host we talked to said

this was

> "THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, but that nothing was written in stone."
> Regards,

Thanks for this info. Having heard about these on this forum, I

tried them at Four Winds in New Buffalo (?) MI, and personally didn't
care much for it. The weirdest part was feeling like you're playing
online, and then having someone across the table speak directly to
you about the hand in progress!

Also, you cup your hands over the screen's card backs to look at

your cards, and the guy next to me was standing up a lot, so I never
felt totally secure that he couldn't see my cards (I guess I could
have asked him to sit down or stand somewhere else, or asked the
floor to talk to him about it).

Anyway, I won't be going back to play those again under ordinary

circumstances. If I was in a location with no other poker choices
(such as a cruise ship) I might put up with the negatives. All that
said, the poker room there was busy. Don't know if it saves the
casino that much money, since it seemed to take many
more "supervisors" to run the room than usual - but I guess fewer
total people than if you had live dealers.

The advantages for the player are the same as online: faster

dealing, no playing out of turn, side pots and split pots awarded
rapidly and correctly, and other advantages of computer over human.

Most objections, when I've discussed it with friends, are answered

by "that can't happen" - because the problems people anticipate are
all impossible to occur due to the computer taking care of everything.

···

- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, b.glazer@... wrote:

--BG

==============

Thanks for this info. Having heard about these on this forum, I

tried them at Four Winds in New Buffalo (?) MI, and personally didn't
care much for it. The weirdest part was feeling like you're playing
online, and then having someone across the table speak directly to
you about the hand in progress!

Also, you cup your hands over the screen's card backs to look at

your cards, and the guy next to me was standing up a lot, so I never
felt totally secure that he couldn't see my cards (I guess I could
have asked him to sit down or stand somewhere else, or asked the
floor to talk to him about it).

Anyway, I won't be going back to play those again under ordinary

circumstances. If I was in a location with no other poker choices
(such as a cruise ship) I might put up with the negatives. All that
said, the poker room there was busy. Don't know if it saves the
casino that much money, since it seemed to take many
more "supervisors" to run the room than usual - but I guess fewer
total people than if you had live dealers.

The advantages for the player are the same as online: faster

dealing, no playing out of turn, side pots and split pots awarded
rapidly and correctly, and other advantages of computer over human.

Most objections, when I've discussed it with friends, are answered

by "that can't happen" - because the problems people anticipate are
all impossible to occur due to the computer taking care of everything.

--BG

==============

What limits were they spreading and did you take a look at how they
were raking the game? Was it a $3,$4, rake, etc. And what were the
rake points? 1 at 20, 1 at 40, 1 at 60, 1 at 80 is a much better
deal than 1 at 10, 1 at 20, 1 at 30, 1 at 40. And how does the rake
compare to live games in the area?

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, b.glazer@... wrote:

Don't know if it saves the

casino that much money, since it seemed to take many
more "supervisors" to run the room than usual - but I guess fewer
total people than if you had live dealers.

In addition to requiring less people to run a room full of these
machine rather than with live dealers, these machines allow for a
higher hands/hour rate than a live dealer.

So that means the house rake per hour is higher and its costs per hours
are lower.

My husband played at 1 of these no dealer tables at Ballys in
Tunica. Total of 3 guys bought in for $20 ea. The other 2 guys
ended up going all in & my husband won all the money & ended up with
$40 so pretty big rake.

>
>
> Thanks for this info. Having heard about these on this forum, I
tried them at Four Winds in New Buffalo (?) MI, and personally

didn't

care much for it. The weirdest part was feeling like you're

playing

online, and then having someone across the table speak directly to
you about the hand in progress!
>
> Also, you cup your hands over the screen's card backs to look at
your cards, and the guy next to me was standing up a lot, so I

never

felt totally secure that he couldn't see my cards (I guess I could
have asked him to sit down or stand somewhere else, or asked the
floor to talk to him about it).
>
> Anyway, I won't be going back to play those again under ordinary
circumstances. If I was in a location with no other poker choices
(such as a cruise ship) I might put up with the negatives. All

that

said, the poker room there was busy. Don't know if it saves the
casino that much money, since it seemed to take many
more "supervisors" to run the room than usual - but I guess fewer
total people than if you had live dealers.
>
> The advantages for the player are the same as online: faster
dealing, no playing out of turn, side pots and split pots awarded
rapidly and correctly, and other advantages of computer over

human.

>
> Most objections, when I've discussed it with friends, are

answered

by "that can't happen" - because the problems people anticipate

are

all impossible to occur due to the computer taking care of

everything.

>
> --BG
>
> ==============
>
What limits were they spreading and did you take a look at how

they

were raking the game? Was it a $3,$4, rake, etc. And what were

the

rake points? 1 at 20, 1 at 40, 1 at 60, 1 at 80 is a much better
deal than 1 at 10, 1 at 20, 1 at 30, 1 at 40. And how does the

rake

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, b.glazer@ wrote:
compare to live games in the area?