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Tropicana Bogus Promotion

#1

Hi Gang:
If you're thinking about taking advantage of the Tropicana (Atlantic City)
promotion called "Double Your Offer," think twice before you do it.
This past weekend, some friends and us had heard about it and it sounded
pretty good. The offer was "show us a free play coupon that was mailed to you
by another casino and we'll double it." The offer was good for new players
and for those that had been inactive for 13 months or more. The offer also
stated that the Trop would give you back your coupons so you wouldn't lose
them.
Since Hedy and I had a pair of $75 Harrah's coupons good for this past
Saturday we figured this was a good way to get $300 worth of free play out of
the Trop.
We drove over with our two friends (who also had Harrah's coupons) and
went to the Diamond Club card center.
"Oh, I'm sorry," we were told. "The coupons had to be attached to the
mailer you received. If they are detached, we can't honor them."
We argued that this was ridiculous. That nowhere in the offer did it state
that this was necessary and that nine out of 10 people pull these coupons
out of the booklet when they receive them and throw away all the other
extraneous material.
After about 10 minutes of negotiation, the boothling spoke to a supervisor
and got the OK to honor our coupons.
Then, we were told that we had to play and accumulate two points on our
Trop cards before we could download the "first part of the offer." The second
part had to be downloaded at a later date, within 60 days.
We asked how much play it would take to accumulate two points and were
given some mumbo jumbo about "it depends on the machine you play, how long you
play and how much your average bet is."
So, we started playing some video poker at the quarter level. After about
10 minutes, we checked the kiosk and we had 0.23 points. So, we played some
more. Then, we played some slots. Then, some more VP. After about a half
hour (and a $35 loss) we had 1.42 points. This was really getting ridiculous.
We played some more slots and finally got the two points after a $47 loss.
We downloaded the $150 in free play and, luckily, were able to cash out
$149.50. But it was a major hassle and extremely time-consuming. I really
doubt we'll come back for the other $150 because we were told we have to put
two points on our card again before we could download the other $150.
So, buyer beware. This seems like a classic bait-and-switch offer.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

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#2

I don't get it. I don't see what the problem is. Sounds like a pretty decent promo to me. You said it was a hassle and time consuming, I think I would go through what you did for 150 bucks. What am I missing?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@... wrote:

Hi Gang:
If you're thinking about taking advantage of the Tropicana (Atlantic City)
promotion called "Double Your Offer," think twice before you do it.
This past weekend, some friends and us had heard about it and it sounded
pretty good. The offer was "show us a free play coupon that was mailed to you
by another casino and we'll double it." The offer was good for new players
and for those that had been inactive for 13 months or more. The offer also
stated that the Trop would give you back your coupons so you wouldn't lose
them.
Since Hedy and I had a pair of $75 Harrah's coupons good for this past
Saturday we figured this was a good way to get $300 worth of free play out of
the Trop.
We drove over with our two friends (who also had Harrah's coupons) and
went to the Diamond Club card center.
"Oh, I'm sorry," we were told. "The coupons had to be attached to the
mailer you received. If they are detached, we can't honor them."
We argued that this was ridiculous. That nowhere in the offer did it state
that this was necessary and that nine out of 10 people pull these coupons
out of the booklet when they receive them and throw away all the other
extraneous material.
After about 10 minutes of negotiation, the boothling spoke to a supervisor
and got the OK to honor our coupons.
Then, we were told that we had to play and accumulate two points on our
Trop cards before we could download the "first part of the offer." The second
part had to be downloaded at a later date, within 60 days.
We asked how much play it would take to accumulate two points and were
given some mumbo jumbo about "it depends on the machine you play, how long you
play and how much your average bet is."
So, we started playing some video poker at the quarter level. After about
10 minutes, we checked the kiosk and we had 0.23 points. So, we played some
more. Then, we played some slots. Then, some more VP. After about a half
hour (and a $35 loss) we had 1.42 points. This was really getting ridiculous.
We played some more slots and finally got the two points after a $47 loss.
We downloaded the $150 in free play and, luckily, were able to cash out
$149.50. But it was a major hassle and extremely time-consuming. I really
doubt we'll come back for the other $150 because we were told we have to put
two points on our card again before we could download the other $150.
So, buyer beware. This seems like a classic bait-and-switch offer.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

#3

On single-play deuces (FPDW, NSUD, and DDW), I have played about 220,000 hands since my last royal. On last week's Vegas trip, I played the 50 play NSUD @ South Point for a few hours after attending Bob Dancer's VP classes. I hit 3 royals on 42,000 hands (10,500 points earned X 4 because I played all 50 lines of $.05 NSUD). My 50 play total hands is about 120,000 hands, all @ SP.

Based on Tom Ski's figures (from VPFREE site), an average royal cycle on the deuces games I play should occur between 43,500 - 45,300 hands. My question is - does the royal average equate to 50 play or are there separate averages for multi-play games? I know variance is slightly less on multi-play games and would like to know if the RF cycle average also differs. If there is a cycle difference, what is the frequency on 50 line NSUD? Also, what is the formula that I can use to compute RF cycles on multi-play games?

FYI, VP results last week (played 7 days) was a big loss on single-line because no RF and only 1 Deuce hit and a small profit on the 50 play because of 3 royals and 2 deuces.

Thanks,
Bob

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#4

RF cycles are the same for single line and multiline. However, it's more likely that you'll suffer a drought in multiline. The opposite side of that coin is that it's also more likely that you'll hit multiple royals within a limited span of hands.

The obvious factor behind this is that multiple hands are sourced from a single deal. This makes strings of unusually good or bad outcomes more likely in multiplay.

- H.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Vp <bobvp4809@...> wrote:

On single-play deuces (FPDW, NSUD, and DDW), I have played about 220,000 hands since my last royal.  On last week's Vegas trip, I played the 50 play NSUD @ South Point for a few hours after attending Bob Dancer's VP classes.  I hit 3 royals on 42,000 hands (10,500 points earned X 4 because I played all 50 lines of $.05 NSUD). My 50 play total hands is about 120,000 hands, all @ SP.
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Based on Tom Ski's figures (from VPFREE site), an average royal cycle on the deuces games I play should occur between 43,500 - 45,300 hands. My question is - does the royal average equate to 50 play or are there separate averages for multi-play games?  I know variance is slightly less on multi-play games and would like to know if the RF cycle average also differs. If there is a cycle difference, what is the frequency on 50 line NSUD? Also, what is the formula that I can use to compute RF cycles on multi-play games?Â
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FYI, VP results last week (played 7 days) was a big loss on single-line because no RF and only 1 Deuce hit and a small profit on the 50 play because of 3 royals and 2 deuces.

Thanks,
Bob

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#5

the trop in AC gives more cashback+comps than all others in nj-the "coach/big windbag wants to win EVERYTIME he gambles-let him stay at ceasars props,that 7 stars he got must cost him 10's of thousands a year. At the trop I have not paid for anything(rooms,food+free gifts)for years and they treat me great....coach keep giving your $$$ to ceasars~sucker~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@... wrote:

Hi Gang:
If you're thinking about taking advantage of the Tropicana (Atlantic City)
promotion called "Double Your Offer," think twice before you do it.
This past weekend, some friends and us had heard about it and it sounded
pretty good. The offer was "show us a free play coupon that was mailed to you
by another casino and we'll double it." The offer was good for new players
and for those that had been inactive for 13 months or more. The offer also
stated that the Trop would give you back your coupons so you wouldn't lose
them.
Since Hedy and I had a pair of $75 Harrah's coupons good for this past
Saturday we figured this was a good way to get $300 worth of free play out of
the Trop.
We drove over with our two friends (who also had Harrah's coupons) and
went to the Diamond Club card center.
"Oh, I'm sorry," we were told. "The coupons had to be attached to the
mailer you received. If they are detached, we can't honor them."
We argued that this was ridiculous. That nowhere in the offer did it state
that this was necessary and that nine out of 10 people pull these coupons
out of the booklet when they receive them and throw away all the other
extraneous material.
After about 10 minutes of negotiation, the boothling spoke to a supervisor
and got the OK to honor our coupons.
Then, we were told that we had to play and accumulate two points on our
Trop cards before we could download the "first part of the offer." The second
part had to be downloaded at a later date, within 60 days.
We asked how much play it would take to accumulate two points and were
given some mumbo jumbo about "it depends on the machine you play, how long you
play and how much your average bet is."
So, we started playing some video poker at the quarter level. After about
10 minutes, we checked the kiosk and we had 0.23 points. So, we played some
more. Then, we played some slots. Then, some more VP. After about a half
hour (and a $35 loss) we had 1.42 points. This was really getting ridiculous.
We played some more slots and finally got the two points after a $47 loss.
We downloaded the $150 in free play and, luckily, were able to cash out
$149.50. But it was a major hassle and extremely time-consuming. I really
doubt we'll come back for the other $150 because we were told we have to put
two points on our card again before we could download the other $150.
So, buyer beware. This seems like a classic bait-and-switch offer.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

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#6

tonyclifton1964 wrote:

the trop in AC gives more cashback+comps than all others in
nj-the "coach/big windbag wants to win EVERYTIME he
gambles-let him stay at ceasars props,that 7 stars he got
must cost him 10's of thousands a year. At the trop I have
not paid for anything(rooms,food+free gifts)for years and
they treat me great....coach keep giving your $$$ to
ceasars~sucker~

Posts like this, with negative personal comments and name calling about
another vpFREE member, aren't tolerated on vpFREE.

Disagree with someone all you like, but keep it polite and impersonal.

vpFREE Administrator

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#7

Wow Tony,

Why so hostile? Any point you are trying to make gets lost in the vitriolic spew.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tony c" <tonyclifton1964@...> wrote:

the trop in AC gives more cashback+comps than all others in nj-the "coach/big windbag wants to win EVERYTIME he gambles-let him stay at ceasars props,that 7 stars he got must cost him 10's of thousands a year. At the trop I have not paid for anything(rooms,food+free gifts)for years and they treat me great....coach keep giving your $$$ to ceasars~sucker~

#8

Coach "Windbag" has lots of company in wanting to win EVERYTIME. You must be the SOLE exception...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tony c" <tonyclifton1964@...> wrote:

the trop in AC gives more cashback+comps than all others in nj-the "coach/big windbag wants to win EVERYTIME he gambles-let him stay at ceasars props,that 7 stars he got must cost him 10's of thousands a year. At the trop I have not paid for anything(rooms,food+free gifts)for years and they treat me great....coach keep giving your $$$ to ceasars~sucker~

#9

Thanks H. The 3 RFs at SP significantly reduced my RF average.

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From: vp_wiz <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Is the RF frequency average the same for single line and multi line?

>RF cycles are the same for single line and multiline. However, it's more likely that you'll suffer a drought in multiline. The opposite side of that coin is that it's also more likely that you'll hit multiple royals within a limited span of hands.

The obvious factor behind this is that multiple hands are sourced from a single deal. This makes strings of unusually good or bad outcomes more likely in multiplay.

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Vp <bobvp4809@...> wrote:

On single-play deuces (FPDW, NSUD, and DDW), I have played about 220,000 hands since my last royal.  On last week's Vegas trip, I played the 50 play NSUD @ South Point for a few hours .  I hit 3 royals on 42,000 hands (10,500 points earned X 4 because I played all 50 lines of $.05 NSUD). My 50 play total hands is about 120,000 hands, all @ SP.

My question is - does the royal average equate to 50 play or are there separate averages for multi-play games?  I know variance is slightly less on multi-play games and would like to know if the RF cycle average also differs. If there is a cycle difference, what is the frequency on 50 line NSUD? Also, what is the formula that I can use to compute RF cycles on multi-play games?Â

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Thanks,

Bob

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