The paytable for Triple Action Poker is as follows (per coin):
RF 800
SF 80
Four Aces 80
Four 2's, 3s', 4's 40
Four 5's through K's 25
Full House 8
Flush 5
Straight 4
Three of a Kind 3
Two Pair 1
Jacks or Better 1
Payback: 86.6471%
Note that it takes 20 coins for a full Royal Flush payout.
Further analysis of this game will follow.
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@y...>
wrote:
The paytable for Triple Action Poker is as follows (per coin):
RF 800
SF 80
Four Aces 80
Four 2's, 3s', 4's 40
Four 5's through K's 25
Full House 8
Flush 5
Straight 4
Three of a Kind 3
Two Pair 1
Jacks or Better 1
Payback: 86.6471%
Note that it takes 20 coins for a full Royal Flush payout.Further analysis of this game will follow.
I'll be very interested in seeing what you conclude. I couldn't,
with my limited computer skills, come up with a mathematically sound
analysis.
My main thought was that in order to achieve an expected return equal
to 9/6 JOB, you will have to play about 9 hands out of every 121 at
the triple payout level. I could not establish the actual
probability of ending up with three threes in a hand to determine the
true expected value of the game.
I have simulated the game on my computer at home, by playing to that
payscale, keeping track of the nine hands played after finishing with
the three threes in a hand, and adjusting my final results
accordingly. My playing strategy has been adjusted to reflect my
perception of the value of playing nine hands at triple pay, so I
draw to single threes and pairs of threes a lot more than dictated by
conventional strategy.
Short term results, we know, don't really mean much. That said, I can
say that I've played about 7505 hands, and played with triple payouts
54 times, which works out to once every 139 hands, amd an expected
return of about 97.8%. I'm down 3521 credits.
I can't see how the casino isn't making tons of money on this game.
Probably 95% of the people I've watched playing it do not play full
coin, so their base return is in the 84% range. In addition, most do
not come close to playing the hands with a reasonable strategy.
Neil
Thank you for your reply. My responses follow....
I'll be very interested in seeing what you conclude. I couldn't,
with my limited computer skills, come up with a mathematically
sound
analysis.
Just wondering how does the "Triple Action" bonus work, exaclty?
Does a player have to be DEALT three 3's, or can a player DRAW to
three 3's and get the bonus? If a player receives four 3's, is he
disqualified from the bonus?
Short term results, we know, don't really mean much. That said, I
can
say that I've played about 7505 hands, and played with triple
payouts
54 times, which works out to once every 139 hands, and an expected
return of about 97.8%. I'm down 3521 credits.
I'll run my own simulation and publish the results as soon as I can.
I can't see how the casino isn't making tons of money on this
game.
Probably 95% of the people I've watched playing it do not play
full
coin, so their base return is in the 84% range. In addition, most
do
not come close to playing the hands with a reasonable strategy.
Even more ridiculous is how popular the game was when Rama first
introduced it! From observation, I think that the game's popularity
has declined somewhat because of the newer Pick'em (short pay) and
Triple/Five Play machines (even though Double Double Bonus seems to
be the most popular game). If Rama offers a VP game that cannot
offer an 85% return, then they are technically in violation of AGCO
rules that require a minimum 85% return.
Replies appreciated.
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@a...> wrote:
--- > Just wondering how does the "Triple Action" bonus work,
exaclty?
Does a player have to be DEALT three 3's, or can a player DRAW to
three 3's and get the bonus? If a player receives four 3's, is he
disqualified from the bonus?
You don't have to be dealt the threes. You get to play the following
nine hands at triple pay any time your final hand contains at least
three threes. These hands include full houses and four threes.
Neil
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@y...> wrote:
Just to add 1 minor detail. If you get 3 3's when in triple play mode you DO NOT get any bonus for it.
Regards
A.P.
----- Original Message -----
From: neilemb
To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:36 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: Triple Action Poker - Base Return
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@y...> wrote:
> --- > Just wondering how does the "Triple Action" bonus work,
exaclty?
> Does a player have to be DEALT three 3's, or can a player DRAW to
> three 3's and get the bonus? If a player receives four 3's, is he
> disqualified from the bonus?
You don't have to be dealt the threes. You get to play the following
nine hands at triple pay any time your final hand contains at least
three threes. These hands include full houses and four threes.
Neil
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Just to add 1 minor detail. If you get 3 3's when in triple play mode
you DO NOT get any bonus for it.
That's correct. I should have mentioned that in my post.
Having just returned from Rama, I can report that they now have a
slightly better version of this game available, albeit an expensive one.
The machines are labelled as $2 ones, and are located along the side
wall of the high limit area, just beyond the side entrance. These
machines require "only" 10 coins to receive a full royal, instead of
the 20 coins on the $1 and $.25 machines. Therefore, they cost the same
$20 per hand as the $1 ones. The full house payout on them has been
increased from 8 to 9. I'm pretty sure everything else is the same.
This increases the base return to 87.79%.
Neil
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
Just to add 1 minor detail. If you get 3 3's when in triple pay mode
you DO NOT get any bonus for it.
I know that you won't get an ADDITIONAL set of 9 triple pay hands if
you get three 3's in triple pay mode. Will you be paid three times a 3
of a kind payout?
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
Yes, all 3 of a kinds are treated equally in triple mode.
Regards
A.P.
----- Original Message -----
From: djmcosmo
To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: Triple Action Poker - Base Return
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
>
> Just to add 1 minor detail. If you get 3 3's when in triple pay mode
you DO NOT get any bonus for it.
>
I know that you won't get an ADDITIONAL set of 9 triple pay hands if
you get three 3's in triple pay mode. Will you be paid three times a 3
of a kind payout?
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Has there been much progress on this? I was looking forward to
something that would either confirm my suspicion that it's a sucker's
game, or, alternatinely, tell me that I should hone the crude strategy
I have for the game and start playing it.
Neil
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@...> wrote:
I'll run my own simulation and publish the results as soon as I can.
I recall reading a post about this game a few years back, and the net of it was that this is a suckers game "Big Time" .
The base return is about 88%, so you need to make up 12% on the triple mode, not bloody likely .
I refuse to play it myself and have even convinced my wife to cut back on it significantly. If you compare this games payoffs to double bonus
you can see intuitively that the 3 times payoffs don't occur often enough to make up for the loss on the 2 pair.
I find it strange that I have never seen this IGT game in a Las Vegas/Henderson casino, only in Indian Casinos in the U.S.
I think it means that this game is so bad that the Vegas casinos would be embarrassed to have it .
Regards
A.P.
----- Original Message -----
From: neilemb
To: vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:35 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Canada] Re: Triple Action Poker
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@...> wrote:
> I'll run my own simulation and publish the results as soon as I can.
Has there been much progress on this? I was looking forward to
something that would either confirm my suspicion that it's a sucker's
game, or, alternatinely, tell me that I should hone the crude strategy
I have for the game and start playing it.
Neil
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