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Trip report FW/MS 08/15-16

We arrived at FW Sunday morning. People carrying "free" box of glasses. Long line at booth so we declined. Had $50 FP and gambled at the $1 10 coin 9/6 DDB. Not much company. Put $25K through the machine in 5 hours. Left up $1,500.
In 4 days of gambling, we are now down $1,500 and have 250 points towards gold card project. $75K action/7,500 hands. 2 percent on a 1 percent machine. No royal and no half royals.
We left around 4 and it was crowded. Observation was most VP being enjoyed was done with short coin. The $1 25 coin FPJB were back in operation in the Pequot hi-limit. No one was at them.

Arrived at Mohegan at 5; checked into room and ate in room. It was very crowded. I went downstairs to see the eagle tribute band and do some scouting. Wolf Den was packed; the FP PE slant tops were packed. Lots of short coiners and non-PE gamblers. Most had cards. Didn't recognize anyone. Nobody gambling on 2 machines at same time.
Saw a lot of 1/2 cent slot machines. Lot's of machines shut down.
One $10 PE machine in hi-limit was in use.

Monday had $75 FP and gambled at the $1 PE uprights. Got a quad; gave them $5K action and left up $400. By the time we left at 10, the machines were packed. Mostly short coiners. Didn't see anybody we recognized. One guy came in put his FP through and left. He didn't have anything good to say about the joint. The ride backed to Boston included heavy rain and saw one rain-related accident. R.I. route 6 is dangerous in these conditions.

Groan...

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

Wolf Den was packed; the FP PE slant tops were packed. Lots of short coiners and non-PE gamblers. Most had cards. Didn't recognize anyone. Nobody gambling on 2 machines at same time.
Saw a lot of 1/2 cent slot machines. Lot's of machines shut down.
One $10 PE machine in hi-limit was in use.

Monday had $75 FP and gambled at the $1 PE uprights. Got a quad; gave them $5K action and left up $400. By the time we left at 10, the machines were packed. Mostly short coiners.

On Double Points Tuesday, the bus crowd had most of the point-paying machines
tied up at the Sun, many with short-coins during the afternoon-early evening.
The non-pointpayers were also being played, but were not full. Quite a few
didn't have cards in the machines though. It was crowded overall due to the
sold-out Sun game with waits at the restaurants as well. Once the game started,
restaurant crowd dwindled. Didn't even try to get into the lounges on this trip.

Sunday & Monday at FW was fairly crowded also, again with many short-coiners
playing. It seemed the free glasses were everywhere, and I suppose the
combination of giveaway/summer vacation/lousy weather outside had something to
do with the crowds. But the lounges were fairly empty (no waits to get in) so
I'd guess many of the heavier players were not in attendance. Slight wait at
Cedars even with a reservation on Sunday night, though.

Had a lucky trip overall with 5 W2G's so (for a $1 5 coin player) can't complain
about results, but it is really tough to earn points now. It should be very
interesting to see what the outcome of the no-points-machines experiment is in a
couple of months. Also interesting is the fact that they put in this change in
the for the last 2 months of the six-month earning period, rather than at the
beginning of the next one. Possibly they did that on purpose to see the impact
it had while assuring that a decent number of people had already re-qualified
and would be returning Wolf/Sagamores during the winter months. We'll see.

Guru

Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you
can’t win. -Lazarus Long

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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We arrived at FW Sunday morning. People carrying "free" box of glasses. Long
line at booth so we declined. Had $50 FP and gambled at the $1 10 coin 9/6 DDB.
Not much company. Put $25K through the machine in 5 hours. Left up $1,500.
In 4 days of gambling, we are now down $1,500 and have 250 points towards gold
card project. $75K action/7,500 hands. 2 percent on a 1 percent machine. No
royal and no half royals.
We left around 4 and it was crowded. Observation was most VP being enjoyed was
done with short coin. The $1 25 coin FPJB were back in operation in the Pequot
hi-limit. No one was at them.

Arrived at Mohegan at 5; checked into room and ate in room. It was very crowded.
I went downstairs to see the eagle tribute band and do some scouting. Wolf Den
was packed; the FP PE slant tops were packed. Lots of short coiners and non-PE
gamblers. Most had cards. Didn't recognize anyone. Nobody gambling on 2 machines
at same time.
Saw a lot of 1/2 cent slot machines. Lot's of machines shut down.
One $10 PE machine in hi-limit was in use.

Monday had $75 FP and gambled at the $1 PE uprights. Got a quad; gave them $5K
action and left up $400. By the time we left at 10, the machines were packed.
Mostly short coiners. Didn't see anybody we recognized. One guy came in put his
FP through and left. He didn't have anything good to say about the joint. The
ride backed to Boston included heavy rain and saw one rain-related accident.
R.I. route 6 is dangerous in these conditions.

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Congrats on a postive 4 day session at FW/MS. Never occured to me that a sold-out Sun game has much impact on the casino floor.

I was surprised at how crowded both casino's were last Sunday. Got an offer for a Sony Dash from MS for the 27th plus $75 FP.
FW seems to be having a standing offer of $50. Once the MS offers stop, $50 isn't going to do it.

Bally's AC sent offer of $250 for 9/3. Might take Spirit for the last time b4 they shut down middle of September.

Per motherboard, Palms, Terribles, Trop in Laughlin hitting playable machines hard at 25 cent/$1 level. Tbe Trop ending their 7777 bonus is going to make desert rats we know unhappy.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF <guruperf@...> wrote:

On Double Points Tuesday, the bus crowd had most of the point-paying machines
tied up at the Sun, many with short-coins during the afternoon-early evening.
The non-pointpayers were also being played, but were not full. Quite a few
didn't have cards in the machines though. It was crowded overall due to the
sold-out Sun game with waits at the restaurants as well. Once the game started,
restaurant crowd dwindled. Didn't even try to get into the lounges on this trip.

Sunday & Monday at FW was fairly crowded also, again with many short-coiners
playing. It seemed the free glasses were everywhere, and I suppose the
combination of giveaway/summer vacation/lousy weather outside had something to
do with the crowds. But the lounges were fairly empty (no waits to get in) so
I'd guess many of the heavier players were not in attendance. Slight wait at
Cedars even with a reservation on Sunday night, though.

Had a lucky trip overall with 5 W2G's so (for a $1 5 coin player) can't complain
about results, but it is really tough to earn points now. It should be very
interesting to see what the outcome of the no-points-machines experiment is in a
couple of months. Also interesting is the fact that they put in this change in
the for the last 2 months of the six-month earning period, rather than at the
beginning of the next one. Possibly they did that on purpose to see the impact
it had while assuring that a decent number of people had already re-qualified
and would be returning Wolf/Sagamores during the winter months. We'll see.

Guru

Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you
can’t win. -Lazarus Long

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

________________________________

We arrived at FW Sunday morning. People carrying "free" box of glasses. Long
line at booth so we declined. Had $50 FP and gambled at the $1 10 coin 9/6 DDB.
Not much company. Put $25K through the machine in 5 hours. Left up $1,500.
In 4 days of gambling, we are now down $1,500 and have 250 points towards gold
card project. $75K action/7,500 hands. 2 percent on a 1 percent machine. No
royal and no half royals.
We left around 4 and it was crowded. Observation was most VP being enjoyed was
done with short coin. The $1 25 coin FPJB were back in operation in the Pequot
hi-limit. No one was at them.

Arrived at Mohegan at 5; checked into room and ate in room. It was very crowded.
I went downstairs to see the eagle tribute band and do some scouting. Wolf Den
was packed; the FP PE slant tops were packed. Lots of short coiners and non-PE
gamblers. Most had cards. Didn't recognize anyone. Nobody gambling on 2 machines
at same time.
Saw a lot of 1/2 cent slot machines. Lot's of machines shut down.
One $10 PE machine in hi-limit was in use.

Monday had $75 FP and gambled at the $1 PE uprights. Got a quad; gave them $5K
action and left up $400. By the time we left at 10, the machines were packed.
Mostly short coiners. Didn't see anybody we recognized. One guy came in put his
FP through and left. He didn't have anything good to say about the joint. The
ride backed to Boston included heavy rain and saw one rain-related accident.
R.I. route 6 is dangerous in these conditions.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, I got the Sony Dash offer also, but only $40 in FP. But there's at least
$55 in FP at FW to pick up that same day, and since the bride has something else
to do, I do believe I'll make a 1-day solo run out there.

We don't do AC anymore, just too long a drive for not much payback. Gave up my
long-time Diamond this year without setting foot in a Caesar's casino.

Congrats on a postive 4 day session at FW/MS. Never occured to me that a
sold-out Sun game has much impact on the casino floor.

I was surprised at how crowded both casino's were last Sunday. Got an offer for
a Sony Dash from MS for the 27th plus $75 FP.
FW seems to be having a standing offer of $50. Once the MS offers stop, $50
isn't going to do it.

Bally's AC sent offer of $250 for 9/3. Might take Spirit for the last time b4
they shut down middle of September.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From your neck of the woods aren't there some joints west a couple of hours that are playable?
There's a Harrah's 7* thread on VP motherboard going on at the moment.
Trying to convince the potential 7* initiatee not to do it.

$250 FP from Bally's for us is double what we have been getting and plane ride is comped. Thnking since we haven't been for a couple of months the computer increases offer? But it used to be offers of $500 and airfare to joints like New Orleans.

Going back to diamond at end of year, the offers may improve.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF <guruperf@...> wrote:

Yes, I got the Sony Dash offer also, but only $40 in FP. But there's at least
$55 in FP at FW to pick up that same day, and since the bride has something else
to do, I do believe I'll make a 1-day solo run out there.

We don't do AC anymore, just too long a drive for not much payback. Gave up my
long-time Diamond this year without setting foot in a Caesar's casino.

Congrats on a postive 4 day session at FW/MS. Never occured to me that a
sold-out Sun game has much impact on the casino floor.

I was surprised at how crowded both casino's were last Sunday. Got an offer for
a Sony Dash from MS for the 27th plus $75 FP.
FW seems to be having a standing offer of $50. Once the MS offers stop, $50
isn't going to do it.

Bally's AC sent offer of $250 for 9/3. Might take Spirit for the last time b4
they shut down middle of September.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If the cost/time of the travel isn't an issue, LV "strip" still has way better FP offers for out-of -towners... Typical FP is $200+/ Day for up to $1 or $2K for big-enough players (read 7* equiv) . Doesn't include earned comps, or require begging, either. You prob don't want airfare covered though (means loss of like $20++K & begging). Go when there's a good event (tourney/drawing with +EV), keep your coin-in under control, and it might just get barely positive, even without much earned comps.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

From your neck of the woods aren't there some joints west a couple of hours that are playable?
There's a Harrah's 7* thread on VP motherboard going on at the moment.
Trying to convince the potential 7* initiatee not to do it.

$250 FP from Bally's for us is double what we have been getting and plane ride is comped. Thnking since we haven't been for a couple of months the computer increases offer? But it used to be offers of $500 and airfare to joints like New Orleans.

Going back to diamond at end of year, the offers may improve.