Thanks for the first good reply. There was a small square of LEDs at the top of the machine near the players card slot. Was that the "Bingo" card? The LEDs were always on.
CK
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--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Howard W. Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Tribal VP Gambling
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:01 AM
We have discussed Class II here before. What it means is that the game is not based on a normal 52 card (or 53 for joker) deck. The result is determined on the deal using either a bingo or lottery based system. What you hold does not affect the result. If you completely foul up a hand there will be something like a "genie" (IGT) or a "match card bonus" that will restore the intended result. If you see something like this or a bingo card the game is almost certainly Class II. These games are usually 90% or less and in some Class II states that payback is limited by law. I believe that some Oklahoma games are Class III. I think the vpFree2 database lists some Class III for Oklahoma. Most Tribal casinos are now Class III. How they "scalp" the players is that usually a game like 6-5 jacks or 20-7-5 joker is a great(?) game at these facilities. As long as the players will put up with this, there is no reason to offer better and no reason for the casino
to "cheat". Where there is competition, you will find some decent games. The vpFree2 database is a good place to look.
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From: Andrew <listmail@skierlaw. com>
Sent: Jun 26, 2009 8:39 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Tribal VP Gambling
Really? Every casino in the US is regulated? By whom?
Bill Coleman wrote:
Every casino in the US, tribal or not, is regulated and there is a
minimum payback allowed. Most jurisdictions have that floor at around
75% like Nevada although no one (or maybe almost no one, I'm not sure
about some of the small Class II only vendors) offer machines that
return less than around 84%.
Hope this helps.
At 05:07 PM 6/25/2009, you wrote:
>I wouldnt assume 99% (short term results can be VERY misleading).
>If you post the pay table, someone can tell you what the percentage
really is.
>NA casino usually have poor pay tables that are nowhere close to 99%.
>There is not a mimimum % of payback (that Vegas and other regulated
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>The wife and I just returned from a day up at an Indian casino up in
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>We found a bunch of JOB 9/6 machines and played for 4-5 hours and
>came out even for the day. I was down what the wife was up. This
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>These machines were progressives and the $.50 royal was $2697.81
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>Is there a difference between payouts or play on a full pay Class 2
>or Class 3 machine? Is there any different way to play it?
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