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Tracking the "quad near misses" - any benefits?

#1

"No harm, no blood, no foul" intended. Just plain asking for others'
opinions.

A few weeks back, a couple playing Super Aces next to me keeps saying
some numbers like "10 and 4", "18 and 8", etc. When they hit 4 Kings
or 4 Sevens, I hear the count "0 and 8" or "0 and 6". When they hit the
4 Aces, then I hear the count "6 and 0" or "12 and 0". When one of them
needs to take a break, s/he tells the partner what the "count" is.

The couple were tracking the near misses for the quad "Aces" and for
the non-Aces and they seem to be doing very well.

Any benefit(s) for doing this kind of tracking?

Thanks.
gilbert

#2

No.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: gilbert_616
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:15 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Tracking the "quad near misses" - any benefits?

  "No harm, no blood, no foul" intended. Just plain asking for others'
  opinions.

  A few weeks back, a couple playing Super Aces next to me keeps saying
  some numbers like "10 and 4", "18 and 8", etc. When they hit 4 Kings
  or 4 Sevens, I hear the count "0 and 8" or "0 and 6". When they hit the
  4 Aces, then I hear the count "6 and 0" or "12 and 0". When one of them
  needs to take a break, s/he tells the partner what the "count" is.

  The couple were tracking the near misses for the quad "Aces" and for
  the non-Aces and they seem to be doing very well.

  Any benefit(s) for doing this kind of tracking?

  Thanks.
  gilbert

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#3

gilbert_616 wrote:

The couple were tracking the near misses for the quad "Aces" and for
the non-Aces and they seem to be doing very well.

Any benefit(s) for doing this kind of tracking?

As Matt has replied, there's no play advantage to the tracking.

Most often, the tracking is merely for intellectual
curiosity/satisfaction.

However, I've heard of "scare" counting (ending hands 1 card off of
completion) put to a practical application -- using it as a measure of
how far off expectation one's results are. With the assumption that
scares occur frequently enough so as to run close to expectation over
time, you can determine how many expected completions you expect in
play using an expected scare to success ratio.

- Harry

#4

Gilbert asked: The couple were tracking the near misses for the quad
"Aces" and for
the non-Aces and they seem to be doing very well.

Any benefit(s) for doing this kind of tracking?

I use a similar count for royal scares and 4 Deuce scares. The count
itself is irrelevant but keeping it forces me to keep my mind on the
game. I find it can be difficult to maintain concentration on such a
repetitious game unless I use some technique to assist me.

Bob Dancer

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#5

I use a similar count for royal scares and 4 Deuce scares. The count
itself is irrelevant but keeping it forces me to keep my mind on the
game. I find it can be difficult to maintain concentration on such a
repetitious game unless I use some technique to assist me.

I agree completely. With my wandering mind, this count was not active
enough, so a few years ago I went to tracking what I call the 2-2 or 3-1
hands. These are four card wild royal draws consisting of two deuces and two
honors or one deuce and three honors. I know that I should fill one about
every 11.75 tries. Once in a session, I went 0 for 37. On days like this the
only good benefit for this type of tracking is for the owners of PG (
Proctor & Gamble ) stock. They are the makers of Pepto-Bismol. :>)
                     Nudge

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From: "Bob Dancer"
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Tracking the "quad near misses" - any benefits?

#6

, so a few years ago I went to tracking what I call the 2-2 or 3-1

hands. These are four card wild royal draws consisting of two deuces

and two

honors or one deuce and three honors. I know that I should fill one

about

every 11.75 tries.

It looks like you're thinking there are four possibilities out of 47.
Isn't it five - for a frequency of one in 9.4?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

#7

I know that I should fill one

about
> every 11.75 tries.

neilemb wrote:

It looks like you're thinking there are four possibilities out of 47.
Isn't it five - for a frequency of one in 9.4?

Neil, of course you are correct. I was busy on the puter looking at fill
rates for something completely different when I made this post on Fri., a
day which I started at 4:15 a.m. playing OEJ for six and a half hours. After
this, my brain began it's rapid descent for the day, and here I was trying
to make a viable post after being awake more than 18 hours. Serves me right.
        Nudge

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From: "neilemb" <nembree@rogers.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tracking the "quad near misses" - any benefits?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

#8

?

Neil, of course you are correct. I was busy on the puter looking at

fill

rates for something completely different when I made this post on

Fri., a

day which I started at 4:15 a.m. playing OEJ for six and a half

hours. After

this, my brain began it's rapid descent for the day, and here I was

trying

to make a viable post after being awake more than 18 hours. Serves

me right.

        Nudge

Yes, I've certainly done the same sort of thing several times - while
tired or for other reasons not too sharp, composed and posted
something that I later regretted.

Neil

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