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To Spin, Or Not To Spin...

#1

I went to Las Vegas eight times last year, winning on some trips and
losing on others. In all cases, I tried to understand the games and
played the appropriate VP strategy to the best of my ability.

Spin Poker isn't a dominant game in any casino. You see one here and
there, and you certainly don't play it for the annoying sounds it
makes (if you're like me you want money anyway, not bells and
whistles).

My confusion is that the 9 line, 45 coin game isn't like a 9-Play
machine with the same investment. If there were such a thing as a 9-
Play machine, the draws on the 8 lines above would all be from
different decks. You might see a drawn Jack of Spades in 2 or 3
differnt hands by chance. In Spin Poker, all cards drawn on your
screen on the three lines are from one deck and will be different.

So, does it benefit you with the same investment to play Spin Poker?

I'm seeking variance or return or any measure that will help quantify
this for me (hope you're out there, Bob and Skip).

#2

Spin Poker uses three decks, not one. Any card held is held on all
three lines; the remaining cards for each line are drawn independently
from separate decks. The same card can therefore be drawn on all
three lines.

Because nine hands are drawn from three decks instead of from nine,
the variance for Spin Poker is greater than for a theoretical nine-
play machine, but the expected return for Spin Poker is the same as
for any other game with the same pay schedule.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125" <edifess@h...> wrote:

In Spin Poker, all cards drawn on your
screen on the three lines are from one deck and will be different.

So, does it benefit you with the same investment to play Spin Poker?

#3

This is totally wrong. Spin Poker uses just one deck.

Regards,

Scot

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Spin Poker uses three decks, not one. Any card held is held on all
three lines; the remaining cards for each line are drawn independently
from separate decks. The same card can therefore be drawn on all
three lines.

Because nine hands are drawn from three decks instead of from nine,
the variance for Spin Poker is greater than for a theoretical nine-
play machine, but the expected return for Spin Poker is the same as
for any other game with the same pay schedule.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125" <edifess@h...> wrote:

In Spin Poker, all cards drawn on your
screen on the three lines are from one deck and will be different.

So, does it benefit you with the same investment to play Spin Poker?

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#4

I can't help you with the variance calculation. As for return, your
percent expectation in Spin Poker is the same as a single line machine,
or a "normal" multi-line machine with an identical pay table. I seem
to recall reading a proof of this at one time, but I don't remember
where I saw it.

Also, I agree with the response from npf125 - there is only one deck to
draw from in Spin Poker. You can't get duplicate cards on the draw.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125" <edifess@h...> wrote:

I'm seeking variance or return or any measure that will help quantify
this for me (hope you're out there, Bob and Skip).

#5

I went to Las Vegas eight times last year, winning on some trips

and

losing on others. In all cases, I tried to understand the games

and

played the appropriate VP strategy to the best of my ability.

Spin Poker isn't a dominant game in any casino. You see one here

and

there, and you certainly don't play it for the annoying sounds it
makes (if you're like me you want money anyway, not bells and
whistles).

My confusion is that the 9 line, 45 coin game isn't like a 9-Play
machine with the same investment. If there were such a thing as a

9-

Play machine, the draws on the 8 lines above would all be from
different decks. You might see a drawn Jack of Spades in 2 or 3
differnt hands by chance. In Spin Poker, all cards drawn on your
screen on the three lines are from one deck and will be different.

So, does it benefit you with the same investment to play Spin

Poker?

I'm seeking variance or return or any measure that will help

quantify

this for me (hope you're out there, Bob and Skip).

I've got hundreds of hours in on Spin Pokers (9 lines-one deck). I
would rather have the same play on a ten-play (ten lines-ten
decks). The volaility appears to be much lower. I put the
volatility of a spin poker at somewhere between a triple-play and a
five-play, probably closer to the five-play. I would rather have
the play on a spin poker than a triple-play, spin poker or five-play
would be an either/or. Observation is my only basis for making
these assertions. Also, IGT came out with a new program for the 9
lines about a year ago, speeding them up. Some machines will now
play 950 games per hour.

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