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Rob,
     How do you deal with frustrating streaks in Video Poker? Do you
have any advice on how to keep good discipline when losing? I am
thinking of those sessions where you can't seem to hit ANY quad....I
would think having an article about how you deal with
frustrating "dry runs" in VP (both while in and out of the casino)
would be educational for your readers. After all, VP is a game of
luck....and most of it is still bad until the big hit comes along....
getting in my car and driving to another casino after hitting a win
goal.....I used to try to win half my goal, go out to the parking lot
and "rest" for 10 minutes before trying to win the other half....it
never worked for me....I will have to use a "romp thru the state"
strategy here in the Midwest since casinos are spread out 50-100
miles away from each other here....
Thanks for reading!

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From my own perspective, I've noticed I've had better luck

I understand the word 'frustrating' and how it applies to not hitting
anything of real value for many hands in video poker. But when a
player plays professionally and for a living, that emotion is
eliminated from the mix--or else it WILL lead to pyramiding problems.
When I play and run into a bad streak, I may say in an article or to
a friend that it was frustrating, but at the time of action nothing
was going on except waiting for that quad or better to appear as I
progressed. By allowing yourself to become upset is just another way
of falling directly into the hands of the casino manager--similar to
the path taken as so-called 'advantage players' chase promotion after
promotion around town. Frustrated players try to win more when they
make a hit, they have no structure as they chase losers, and they
visit ATM's, Cashiers, and credit depts. believing redemption is only
one lucky hit away. These things are exactly what losers do, and it
will never change.

Rob

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Psychophysical" <jimb777@w...>
wrote:Rob,

     How do you deal with frustrating streaks in Video Poker? Do

you

have any advice on how to keep good discipline when losing? I am
thinking of those sessions where you can't seem to hit ANY

quad....I

would think having an article about how you deal with
frustrating "dry runs" in VP (both while in and out of the casino)
would be educational for your readers. After all, VP is a game of
luck....and most of it is still bad until the big hit comes

along....

     From my own perspective, I've noticed I've had better luck
getting in my car and driving to another casino after hitting a win
goal.....I used to try to win half my goal, go out to the parking

lot

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and "rest" for 10 minutes before trying to win the other half....it
never worked for me....I will have to use a "romp thru the state"
strategy here in the Midwest since casinos are spread out 50-100
miles away from each other here....
Thanks for reading!

For everyone who bows to the queen thinking she's the end-all in how
to gamble...........Go to the LVA on-line site today and read the
latest. Up until today, I believed Kerry was the biggest server of
warmed-over BS ever.

So many precious lines it's difficult to bring them all in. In a
nutshell, she & Brad don't "Gamble"--they just do it as an activity.
And "20 hours a week" on 'casino activities' (which I guess she'd now
call playing video poker so as not to make it even APPEAR as if she's
involved in an uncontrollable habit), is really not much at all! This
is in itself hilarious enough, but then we're treated to her firmly
putting her foot in her mouth all the way up to the ankle, and for
some reason it takes someone like me to come out and expose the
truth. "When family and friends comes to visit, thanks to plump
casino comp banks all over town, we can provide them with luxury
rooms, cover all their restaurant meals and show tickets, and treat
them to room service, shopping in casino retail stores, massages in
the spa, make-overs in the beauty salon" is what we're told today.
Then we're taught "I didn't say that gambling was a very big part of
our life. First of all, I don't consider the way we play casino games
as gambling"!!!!!!

So which is it--A or B? We see the need to brag about being able to
get everything but a gigilo for free from most or all casinos all
over town, yet she doesn't 'gamble' nor is it a major portion of her
existence! You decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well of course it's not "gambling", because as we all know,
she is an "ADVANTAGE" player, not gambler. She has the god
given gift of having an advantage over every casino she plays
in. No matter what those casinos try to do, she will fabricate..
uhh,....I mean...figure out a way to beat them.

And 20 hours? Hell, if I was so gifted, I'd be doing it 40
hours per week.

When will it end? I bet the casino execs get some good laughs
out of her nonsense and her followers, not to mention some
good profit.

-Tom

So which is it--A or B? We see the need to brag about being able to
get everything but a gigilo for free from most or all casinos all
over town, yet she doesn't 'gamble' nor is it a major portion of

her

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existence! You decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine a beginner reading her words of wisdom in that column
yesterday, and then coming across how she was roped into a promotion
at Caesar's and lost $2500 on a 5-play Multi-Strike game! Gee, that's
not gambling, but it sure is FRUGAL!! Wow--What material I get from
this "lover of casino activity". And BTW---I'm still waiting for her
mitigating statement on some sort of big win that'll make us all
forget about her losses once again. 10-1 it'll be something Brad
hits. Why not? She claims he plays more than her, and they ONLY play
20 hours a week. Hmmmm..... I challenge that too.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

Well of course it's not "gambling", because as we all know,
she is an "ADVANTAGE" player, not gambler. She has the god
given gift of having an advantage over every casino she plays
in. No matter what those casinos try to do, she will fabricate..
uhh,....I mean...figure out a way to beat them.

And 20 hours? Hell, if I was so gifted, I'd be doing it 40
hours per week.

When will it end? I bet the casino execs get some good laughs
out of her nonsense and her followers, not to mention some
good profit.

-Tom
>
> So which is it--A or B? We see the need to brag about being able

to

···

> get everything but a gigilo for free from most or all casinos all
> over town, yet she doesn't 'gamble' nor is it a major portion of
her
> existence! You decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read today where Bob Dancer wrote:

"For the first time ever, my voice is being used in a radio
commercial for a casino. Borgata has paid me to help design and
endorse a promotion that will run in November. I thought the
resulting promotion was definitely pro-player, and was glad to become
involved. I will undoubtedly be criticized by some players for
selling out to a casino, but the promotion the casino was originally
planning was nearly as good for the player community as this one is."

Why on earth would anyone 'criticize' Bob for supposedly 'selling out
to a casino'? All he's doing is earning a living--which everyone has
a right to do. He has to somehow. And the Borgata? They're in need of
revenue too. So why not run a promo that ropes in as many
unsuspecting players as possible during November? After all, the
entire bunch will come in believing that just because there may be a
way to theoretically play a creatively manufactured >100% game for a
month and make a bundle doing it, how can they turn that down?

God bless America.........

Since my play-for-profit trips are over for this year (no, you won't
EVER read those kind of words from gurus or 'advantage players'
because there's no way they can stop playing) until sometime in mid-
January, I've got more time to search for Internet baloney about
video poker as well as other stuff.

1. Here's a GOOD one: On WinPoker forum, vp success wannabee Mr. Bill
Velek for some reason has decided to do some sort of VERY meaningless
mathematical analysis of Multi-Strike VP. Why? Only he knows, but it
looks like he tries to disect Bob Dancer's strategy on the game in
about 5000 words (and numbers) or so. If you've got the stomach,
check it out at http://velek.com/vp/ms-analysis-final.html And he
saves the best part for last: "Bob Dancer has made a number of
suggested hand changes which he contends will allow a proficient
player to reach 99.77% as compared to the maximum 99.79%. But if
anyone happens to discover some rules of thumb which will improve
that, please let me know. Also, in case anyone is interested in what
happens to the ER with MultiStrike played at all four levels just
using the normal perfect play strategy for JOB-9/6, the overall ER is
dramatically reduced down to 97.8009%, which is a loss of nearly
1.743%." Now imagine worrying about .02%!! Oh my gosh! You want a
simple, winning play strategy for the game? Then go to vptruth.com
As usual, the truth, in plain English, that everyone will understand.

2. My recent appearance on ESPN was only the first. They called
yesterday and want me back because of the huge call-in after I
finished.

3. I've run into a vp player with apparently more determination than
me. He's been one of those strict "advantage" promo-chasers in LV for
5 sadddd years now, and just can't seem to win (Where've I heard THAT
before??). He wants personal training, but he also wants to do
something else I don't do--pay me. He won't take no, so the
compromise is no pay if he loses his $17,300, and 20% of whatever he
wins. Every hand (RS Single-Play Strategy, quarters thru $25) will be
exactly as I would play it. $500 win goal/session, number of sessions
up to him. And none of this >100% stuff either. Where we're going
we'll play their best games: 7/5 BP & 9/5 DDB. It's a known name, and
he's agreed to let others know thru GT what how it went.

4. Anyone know who the Boston Red Sox are? I'm from W. Mass., I went
to school in Boston for 7 years, and ANYONE with any kind of similar
background just had a giant gorilla taken off their back. But if John
Kerry somehow wins tomorrow it'll jump right back on.

I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know I'll get
the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.

GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of smiling John
Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever delineating
what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home state.
When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies and
incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's servicemen
by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the
wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does. Most
satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob Michael
Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I wouldn't
be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood people or
others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner' Surandon
kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney from
MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail from where
it all came.

So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown, to the
hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my name. I
agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of Kerry. He is
still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more accurate
than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of the Senate.
I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow everyone to do
whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal property, up
to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that same
freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth, and no
"rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and Declaration
of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Notice
that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to pursue it
without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess the
Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants to
respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign your name
if you want me to read it.
Dan Paymar

···

I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know I'll get
the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.

GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of smiling John
Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever delineating
what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home state.
When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies and
incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's servicemen
by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the
wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does. Most
satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob Michael
Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I wouldn't
be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood people or
others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner' Surandon
kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney from
MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail from where
it all came.

So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown, to the
hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK, I will try this again.
John Kerry is not a turn coat, he is a decorated war hero. I am a
Vietnam vet with a purple heart. I was active in the VVAW in the
70's. I believe that no one has a better right to protest a war than
those who fought in it. W is a liar and a deserter who went to war
with Iraq for no other reason than to vindicate his daddy. I don't
know if Kerry would have done a great job but I do know that he
couldn't screw it up any worse than GWB. I also believe that W may
very well bankrupt this country in the next 4 years. He has no
insight into the real problems and concerns of the average man and
cannot even admit that he has made mistakes. I feel very sorry for
the 20 somethings out there cause they will be W's lost platoon
before his term is over.
Jonathan Ashton
USN RM3 (1969-73)
Everett, WA

Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my name.

I

agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of Kerry. He

is

still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more

accurate

than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of the

Senate.

I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow everyone to

do

whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal property,

up

to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that same
freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth, and

no

"rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and

Declaration

of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Notice
that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to pursue it
without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess the
Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants to
respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign your

name

if you want me to read it.
Dan Paymar

>I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know I'll

get

>the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.
>
>GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of smiling

John

>Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever delineating
>what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home

state.

>When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies and
>incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's

servicemen

>by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at

the

>wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does. Most
>satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob Michael
>Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I

wouldn't

>be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood people or
>others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner'

Surandon

>kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney from
>MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail from

where

>it all came.
>
>So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown, to

the

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@O...> wrote:

>hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
>THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

First of all, thank you for your service to your country. You've gone about it in a dignified way. John Kerry did not. There's nothing wrong with protesting the Vietnam War, but a person in his position should have waited until it was OVER before spouting out his position. It was nothing less than a slap in the face to those still fighting. And even today he shows his irresponsibility--He undermines the soldiers efforts and sacrifices of fighting in Iraq as "Fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". Guess how many voters are in the military. Guess how many voted that normally don't. And guess how many voters are in their families...... Having Mama Ketchup by his side didn't help.

I commend him for his valor in Vietnam, but I do, as I'm sure many do, have reservations about what really happened. Too many stories. I know several of the 'Swift Boat Vets' and they are honorable people who've led exemplary lives. I can't ever picture them lying about what they saw or heard. On the other hand, when you have a bafoon like Michael Moore (who's in such a sour-grape letdown he's now talking impeachment) on your side, what do you think that does for one's image?

On GWB: There's nothing perfect about him. Maybe he's mopping up after his daddy and maybe he isn't. Either way, he's doing the proper thing by a WAAAAY big margin. You may not agree with the war and that's OK. I do. There may or may not be another terror attack on US soil in the future, but it is widely accepted that if a personality such as John Kerry were President since (with liberal Hollywood actors and hippy musicians at his side) , the WTC would seem like a distant and small incident right now. Their approach would be to beg Osama Bin Laden not to do it again, and to apologize to Hamas and others for Israel's retaliations whenever a foolish suicide bomber kills women and children on busses. They'd also be the first ones crying in public saying "WHAT WENT WRONG??" when a bomb went off here that killed their children or anyone else close to them.
GW's keen enough to realize no one but the Muslims want or like war. 14 of the 16 current deadly world conflicts around the globe are because these people from 'the religion of peace' can't get along with either their neighbors of other religions - or even their own kind. They're asking for a lot more than they're getting right now. If they don't watch out and come out of the barbaric ages, they'll get it.

Rob Singer
Video Poker's #1 Winning True Professional Player

OK, I will try this again.
John Kerry is not a turn coat, he is a decorated war hero. I am a
Vietnam vet with a purple heart. I was active in the VVAW in the
70's. I believe that no one has a better right to protest a war than
those who fought in it. W is a liar and a deserter who went to war
with Iraq for no other reason than to vindicate his daddy. I don't
know if Kerry would have done a great job but I do know that he
couldn't screw it up any worse than GWB. I also believe that W may
very well bankrupt this country in the next 4 years. He has no
insight into the real problems and concerns of the average man and
cannot even admit that he has made mistakes. I feel very sorry for
the 20 somethings out there cause they will be W's lost platoon
before his term is over.
Jonathan Ashton
USN RM3 (1969-73)
Everett, WA

Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my name.

I

agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of Kerry. He

is

still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more

accurate

than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of the

Senate.

I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow everyone to

do

whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal property,

up

to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that same
freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth, and

no

"rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and

Declaration

of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Notice
that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to pursue it
without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess the
Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants to
respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign your

name

if you want me to read it.
Dan Paymar

>I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know I'll

get

>the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.
>
>GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of smiling

John

>Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever delineating
>what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home

state.

>When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies and
>incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's

servicemen

>by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at

the

>wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does. Most
>satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob Michael
>Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I

wouldn't

>be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood people or
>others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner'

Surandon

>kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney from
>MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail from

where

>it all came.
>
>So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown, to

the

>hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
>THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

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You speculate like a true republican. The Bush /Cheney fear factor
got to you. Everything that is wrong is because of those damn
liberals!!!! As I look over the list of republicans in the executive
branch and see that basically none of them served in the military, I
wonder what gives them a leg up on leading the country in
this "wrong war". When are you guys going to realize: IRAQ HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 OR AL QUEDA!!! Also I must add that as a
proud member of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, I did not go
about it in a dignified way. I protested Nixon and his invasion of
Cambodia. Don't be a sheep, wake up and smell the napalm. Don't you
remember what a bad war smells like?? If not: take a whiff.
JA

First of all, thank you for your service to your country. You've

gone about it in a dignified way. John Kerry did not. There's
nothing wrong with protesting the Vietnam War, but a person in his
position should have waited until it was OVER before spouting out
his position. It was nothing less than a slap in the face to those
still fighting. And even today he shows his irresponsibility--He
undermines the soldiers efforts and sacrifices of fighting in Iraq
as "Fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time".
Guess how many voters are in the military. Guess how many voted that
normally don't. And guess how many voters are in their
families...... Having Mama Ketchup by his side didn't help.

I commend him for his valor in Vietnam, but I do, as I'm sure many

do, have reservations about what really happened. Too many stories.
I know several of the 'Swift Boat Vets' and they are honorable
people who've led exemplary lives. I can't ever picture them lying
about what they saw or heard. On the other hand, when you have a
bafoon like Michael Moore (who's in such a sour-grape letdown he's
now talking impeachment) on your side, what do you think that does
for one's image?

On GWB: There's nothing perfect about him. Maybe he's mopping up

after his daddy and maybe he isn't. Either way, he's doing the
proper thing by a WAAAAY big margin. You may not agree with the war
and that's OK. I do. There may or may not be another terror attack
on US soil in the future, but it is widely accepted that if a
personality such as John Kerry were President since (with liberal
Hollywood actors and hippy musicians at his side) , the WTC would
seem like a distant and small incident right now. Their approach
would be to beg Osama Bin Laden not to do it again, and to apologize
to Hamas and others for Israel's retaliations whenever a foolish
suicide bomber kills women and children on busses. They'd also be
the first ones crying in public saying "WHAT WENT WRONG??" when a
bomb went off here that killed their children or anyone else close
to them.

GW's keen enough to realize no one but the Muslims want or like

war. 14 of the 16 current deadly world conflicts around the globe
are because these people from 'the religion of peace' can't get
along with either their neighbors of other religions - or even their
own kind. They're asking for a lot more than they're getting right
now. If they don't watch out and come out of the barbaric ages,
they'll get it.

Rob Singer
Video Poker's #1 Winning True Professional Player

diversified_slave <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
OK, I will try this again.
John Kerry is not a turn coat, he is a decorated war hero. I am a
Vietnam vet with a purple heart. I was active in the VVAW in the
70's. I believe that no one has a better right to protest a war

than

those who fought in it. W is a liar and a deserter who went to war
with Iraq for no other reason than to vindicate his daddy. I don't
know if Kerry would have done a great job but I do know that he
couldn't screw it up any worse than GWB. I also believe that W may
very well bankrupt this country in the next 4 years. He has no
insight into the real problems and concerns of the average man and
cannot even admit that he has made mistakes. I feel very sorry for
the 20 somethings out there cause they will be W's lost platoon
before his term is over.
Jonathan Ashton
USN RM3 (1969-73)
Everett, WA

> Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my

name.

I
> agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of Kerry. He
is
> still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more
accurate
> than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of the
Senate.
> I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow everyone

to

do
> whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal

property,

up
> to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that same
> freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth, and
no
> "rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and
Declaration
> of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.

Notice

> that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to pursue

it

> without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess the
> Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants to
> respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign your
name
> if you want me to read it.
> Dan Paymar
>
> >I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know

I'll

get
> >the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.
> >
> >GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of smiling
John
> >Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever

delineating

> >what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home
state.
> >When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies

and

> >incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's
servicemen
> >by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place

at

the
> >wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does. Most
> >satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob

Michael

> >Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I
wouldn't
> >be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood people

or

> >others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner'
Surandon
> >kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney

from

> >MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail from
where
> >it all came.
> >
> >So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown,

to

the
> >hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
> >THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> --
> Dan Paymar
> Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
> Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
> Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
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You speculate like a true republican. The Bush /Cheney fear factor
got to you. Everything that is wrong is because of those damn
liberals!!!!

I haven't blamed the liberals for anything. I said IF they were in
power we'd be in a world of hurt when it comes to security. And
that's precisely why they're NOT in power now. The people have
spoken, and they just aren't as dumb as Kerry thought they were. And
there is no fear factor with me or anyone else i know who supports
GWB. That's simply a feel-good position created by Kerry's platform
in order to deal with the fact that he had no plan for his famous
plans.

As I look over the list of republicans in the executive
branch and see that basically none of them served in the military,
I wonder what gives them a leg up on leading the country in
this "wrong war".

I'm not sure what you're saying, but the "wrong war" would be if we
didn't go into Iraq and take a tough stance against terrorism
everywhere, because then that 'wrong war' would be on your and my
streets.

When are you guys going to realize: IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
OR AL QUEDA!!!

I'm saying this from an official position that I have to keep at this
particular level: Iraq did not directly have anything to do with 9-
11, but the Saddam Dictatorship supported Al Qaeda, and the current
stream of Al Qaeda remaining in Iraq is the result and are the
remnants of Saddam's support. What you're saying above is a sour-
grapes rendition of other democrats who say we went into Iraq for
oil, or the reaching-for-straws position that it had something to do
with daddy. At the end of the day Kerry lost, and none of you can do
anything about that great victory. Ever. Thus, the crying-in-the-beer.

Also I must add that as a proud member of the Vietnam Veterans
Against the War, I did not go about it in a dignified way. I
protested Nixon and his invasion of Cambodia.

Big difference. You're no big deal and Kerry was. Any American can
protest at any time. It's just you have to do it either anonymously,
or you must stay away from the "what goes around comes around"
syndrome if you don't. Kerry got bit BIG time, and his friend Michael
Moore got a chunk of his big ass taken out by it -- and both very
deservedly so.

Don't be a sheep, wake up and smell the napalm. Don't you
remember what a bad war smells like?? If not: take a whiff.
JA

There's times I kind of wish that we didn't put up the stop sign
overseas to terrorists like we're now doing--just so liberals in your
extreme category might yet get a taste of a bomb going off here
killing their loved ones, or wealthy actors like Sarandon, Asner,
Penn, etc. etc. might watch as their financial world gets wiped out
by a bomb or bio-attack in LA. And because of the shame & undermining
you and they bestow upon our servicemen today with cowardly-like
positions and words, it would be almost worth it to hear the outcry
to us when all is lost. Wake up and smell the napalm allright. Thanks
to GWB you won't have to.

> First of all, thank you for your service to your country. You've
gone about it in a dignified way. John Kerry did not. There's
nothing wrong with protesting the Vietnam War, but a person in his
position should have waited until it was OVER before spouting out
his position. It was nothing less than a slap in the face to those
still fighting. And even today he shows his irresponsibility--He
undermines the soldiers efforts and sacrifices of fighting in Iraq
as "Fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time".
Guess how many voters are in the military. Guess how many voted

that

normally don't. And guess how many voters are in their
families...... Having Mama Ketchup by his side didn't help.
>
> I commend him for his valor in Vietnam, but I do, as I'm sure

many

do, have reservations about what really happened. Too many stories.
I know several of the 'Swift Boat Vets' and they are honorable
people who've led exemplary lives. I can't ever picture them lying
about what they saw or heard. On the other hand, when you have a
bafoon like Michael Moore (who's in such a sour-grape letdown he's
now talking impeachment) on your side, what do you think that does
for one's image?
>
> On GWB: There's nothing perfect about him. Maybe he's mopping up
after his daddy and maybe he isn't. Either way, he's doing the
proper thing by a WAAAAY big margin. You may not agree with the war
and that's OK. I do. There may or may not be another terror attack
on US soil in the future, but it is widely accepted that if a
personality such as John Kerry were President since (with liberal
Hollywood actors and hippy musicians at his side) , the WTC would
seem like a distant and small incident right now. Their approach
would be to beg Osama Bin Laden not to do it again, and to

apologize

to Hamas and others for Israel's retaliations whenever a foolish
suicide bomber kills women and children on busses. They'd also be
the first ones crying in public saying "WHAT WENT WRONG??" when a
bomb went off here that killed their children or anyone else close
to them.
> GW's keen enough to realize no one but the Muslims want or like
war. 14 of the 16 current deadly world conflicts around the globe
are because these people from 'the religion of peace' can't get
along with either their neighbors of other religions - or even

their

own kind. They're asking for a lot more than they're getting right
now. If they don't watch out and come out of the barbaric ages,
they'll get it.
>
> Rob Singer
> Video Poker's #1 Winning True Professional Player
>
> diversified_slave <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> OK, I will try this again.
> John Kerry is not a turn coat, he is a decorated war hero. I am a
> Vietnam vet with a purple heart. I was active in the VVAW in the
> 70's. I believe that no one has a better right to protest a war
than
> those who fought in it. W is a liar and a deserter who went to

war

> with Iraq for no other reason than to vindicate his daddy. I

don't

> know if Kerry would have done a great job but I do know that he
> couldn't screw it up any worse than GWB. I also believe that W

may

> very well bankrupt this country in the next 4 years. He has no
> insight into the real problems and concerns of the average man

and

> cannot even admit that he has made mistakes. I feel very sorry

for

> the 20 somethings out there cause they will be W's lost platoon
> before his term is over.
> Jonathan Ashton
> USN RM3 (1969-73)
> Everett, WA
>
>
> > Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my
name.
> I
> > agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of Kerry.

He

> is
> > still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more
> accurate
> > than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of the
> Senate.
> > I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow everyone
to
> do
> > whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal
property,
> up
> > to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that same
> > freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth,

and

> no
> > "rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and
> Declaration
> > of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
Notice
> > that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to pursue
it
> > without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess the
> > Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants to
> > respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign

your

> name
> > if you want me to read it.
> > Dan Paymar
> >
> > >I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know
I'll
> get
> > >the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.
> > >
> > >GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of

smiling

> John
> > >Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever
delineating
> > >what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my home
> state.
> > >When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells lies
and
> > >incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's
> servicemen
> > >by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong place
at
> the
> > >wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does.

Most

> > >satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob
Michael
> > >Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I
> wouldn't
> > >be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood

people

or
> > >others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner'
> Surandon
> > >kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that baloney
from
> > >MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail

from

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Cox <deadin7@y...> wrote:
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@O...> wrote:
> where
> > >it all came.
> > >
> > >So for all the hippies and homos out there from Provincetown,
to
> the
> > >hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
> > >THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > --
> > Dan Paymar
> > Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
> > Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
> > Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
> > Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com
> >
> > "Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur
> >
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Typical Singer. This holier than thou attitude is exactly why I
removed myself from your VP group all those months ago. You got what
you wanted with this election? Then you will have no one else to
blame when your little world falls apart. I didn't see you making
any comments about republicans who didn't serve. By the way, what is
your veteran status??

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
>
> You speculate like a true republican. The Bush /Cheney fear

factor

> got to you. Everything that is wrong is because of those damn
> liberals!!!!

I haven't blamed the liberals for anything. I said IF they were in
power we'd be in a world of hurt when it comes to security. And
that's precisely why they're NOT in power now. The people have
spoken, and they just aren't as dumb as Kerry thought they were.

And

there is no fear factor with me or anyone else i know who supports
GWB. That's simply a feel-good position created by Kerry's

platform

in order to deal with the fact that he had no plan for his famous
plans.

>As I look over the list of republicans in the executive
> branch and see that basically none of them served in the

military,

>I wonder what gives them a leg up on leading the country in
> this "wrong war".

I'm not sure what you're saying, but the "wrong war" would be if

we

didn't go into Iraq and take a tough stance against terrorism
everywhere, because then that 'wrong war' would be on your and my
streets.

>When are you guys going to realize: IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH

9/11

>OR AL QUEDA!!!

I'm saying this from an official position that I have to keep at

this

particular level: Iraq did not directly have anything to do with 9-
11, but the Saddam Dictatorship supported Al Qaeda, and the

current

stream of Al Qaeda remaining in Iraq is the result and are the
remnants of Saddam's support. What you're saying above is a sour-
grapes rendition of other democrats who say we went into Iraq for
oil, or the reaching-for-straws position that it had something to

do

with daddy. At the end of the day Kerry lost, and none of you can

do

anything about that great victory. Ever. Thus, the crying-in-the-

beer.

>Also I must add that as a proud member of the Vietnam Veterans
>Against the War, I did not go about it in a dignified way. I
>protested Nixon and his invasion of Cambodia.

Big difference. You're no big deal and Kerry was. Any American can
protest at any time. It's just you have to do it either

anonymously,

or you must stay away from the "what goes around comes around"
syndrome if you don't. Kerry got bit BIG time, and his friend

Michael

Moore got a chunk of his big ass taken out by it -- and both very
deservedly so.

>Don't be a sheep, wake up and smell the napalm. Don't you
> remember what a bad war smells like?? If not: take a whiff.
> JA

There's times I kind of wish that we didn't put up the stop sign
overseas to terrorists like we're now doing--just so liberals in

your

extreme category might yet get a taste of a bomb going off here
killing their loved ones, or wealthy actors like Sarandon, Asner,
Penn, etc. etc. might watch as their financial world gets wiped

out

by a bomb or bio-attack in LA. And because of the shame &

undermining

you and they bestow upon our servicemen today with cowardly-like
positions and words, it would be almost worth it to hear the

outcry

to us when all is lost. Wake up and smell the napalm allright.

Thanks

to GWB you won't have to.
>
> > First of all, thank you for your service to your country.

You've

> gone about it in a dignified way. John Kerry did not. There's
> nothing wrong with protesting the Vietnam War, but a person in

his

> position should have waited until it was OVER before spouting

out

> his position. It was nothing less than a slap in the face to

those

> still fighting. And even today he shows his irresponsibility--He
> undermines the soldiers efforts and sacrifices of fighting in

Iraq

> as "Fighting the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong

time".

> Guess how many voters are in the military. Guess how many voted
that
> normally don't. And guess how many voters are in their
> families...... Having Mama Ketchup by his side didn't help.
> >
> > I commend him for his valor in Vietnam, but I do, as I'm sure
many
> do, have reservations about what really happened. Too many

stories.

> I know several of the 'Swift Boat Vets' and they are honorable
> people who've led exemplary lives. I can't ever picture them

lying

> about what they saw or heard. On the other hand, when you have a
> bafoon like Michael Moore (who's in such a sour-grape letdown

he's

> now talking impeachment) on your side, what do you think that

does

> for one's image?
> >
> > On GWB: There's nothing perfect about him. Maybe he's mopping

up

> after his daddy and maybe he isn't. Either way, he's doing the
> proper thing by a WAAAAY big margin. You may not agree with the

war

> and that's OK. I do. There may or may not be another terror

attack

> on US soil in the future, but it is widely accepted that if a
> personality such as John Kerry were President since (with

liberal

> Hollywood actors and hippy musicians at his side) , the WTC

would

> seem like a distant and small incident right now. Their approach
> would be to beg Osama Bin Laden not to do it again, and to
apologize
> to Hamas and others for Israel's retaliations whenever a foolish
> suicide bomber kills women and children on busses. They'd also

be

> the first ones crying in public saying "WHAT WENT WRONG??" when

a

> bomb went off here that killed their children or anyone else

close

> to them.
> > GW's keen enough to realize no one but the Muslims want or

like

> war. 14 of the 16 current deadly world conflicts around the

globe

> are because these people from 'the religion of peace' can't get
> along with either their neighbors of other religions - or even
their
> own kind. They're asking for a lot more than they're getting

right

> now. If they don't watch out and come out of the barbaric ages,
> they'll get it.
> >
> > Rob Singer
> > Video Poker's #1 Winning True Professional Player
> >
> > diversified_slave <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> > OK, I will try this again.
> > John Kerry is not a turn coat, he is a decorated war hero. I

am a

> > Vietnam vet with a purple heart. I was active in the VVAW in

the

> > 70's. I believe that no one has a better right to protest a

war

> than
> > those who fought in it. W is a liar and a deserter who went to
war
> > with Iraq for no other reason than to vindicate his daddy. I
don't
> > know if Kerry would have done a great job but I do know that

he

> > couldn't screw it up any worse than GWB. I also believe that W
may
> > very well bankrupt this country in the next 4 years. He has no
> > insight into the real problems and concerns of the average man
and
> > cannot even admit that he has made mistakes. I feel very sorry
for
> > the 20 somethings out there cause they will be W's lost

platoon

> > before his term is over.
> > Jonathan Ashton
> > USN RM3 (1969-73)
> > Everett, WA
> >
> >
> > > Well, I'm not too shy or ashamed to reply here or to sign my
> name.
> > I
> > > agree with most of this, except that we are not rid of

Kerry.

He
> > is
> > > still a senator, the most socialist (sorry, but that's more
> > accurate
> > > than the politically correct term of "liberal") member of

the

> > Senate.
> > > I consider myself liberal, but in the sense of "allow

everyone

> to
> > do
> > > whatever he or she wishes with him/her self and personal
> property,
> > up
> > > to the limit where it would have a negative impact on that

same

> > > freedom of someone else. No forced redistribution of wealth,
and
> > no
> > > "rights" beyond those described in our Constitution and
> > Declaration
> > > of Independence -- Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
> Notice
> > > that it doesn't guarantee happiness -- only the right to

pursue

> it
> > > without interference. Of today's political parties, I guess

the

> > > Libertarian party is closest to my beliefs. If anyone wants

to

> > > respond to this, please do so in this public forum and sign
your
> > name
> > > if you want me to read it.
> > > Dan Paymar
> > >
> > > >I know people are too shy to chat on this forum, but I know
> I'll
> > get
> > > >the usual throngs of private e-mails from this.
> > > >
> > > >GWB rightfully won last night, and we're FINALLY rid of
smiling
> > John
> > > >Kerry and all his "I got a plan" rhetoric without ever
> delineating
> > > >what those plans really are. I'm embarrassed he's from my

home

> > state.
> > > >When someone turns-coat on his fellow soldiers and tells

lies

> and
> > > >incomplete statements about them, then undermines today's
> > servicemen
> > > >by claiming "They're fighting the wrong war in the wrong

place

> at
> > the
> > > >wrong time" that's what a dirtball of the lowest form does.
Most
> > > >satisfying about all this is the fact that our obese slob
> Michael
> > > >Moore is now paying dearly for all his big-mouthing, and I
> > wouldn't
> > > >be surprised (or upset) if one or two of those Hollywood
people
> or
> > > >others like Bruce Crybaby Springsteen or Susan 'the whiner'
> > Surandon
> > > >kill themselves over the results. Likewise, all that

baloney

> from
> > > >MoveOn.org has simply been deposited into the garbage pail
from
> > where
> > > >it all came.
> > > >
> > > >So for all the hippies and homos out there from

Provincetown,

> to
> > the
> > > >hairy-legged women and freelance freeloaders in Oregon--TAKE
> > > >THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dan Paymar
> > > Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
> > > Editor/Publisher of VP newsletter "Video Poker Times"
> > > Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video

Poker"

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Typical Singer. This holier than thou attitude is exactly why I
removed myself from your VP group all those months ago.

Maybe you missed the boat, but whenever you have common sense on your
side, you frequently receive comments like you just made. It's also
why your candidate lost. He spent his entire campaign criticizing
Bush, while offering no credible alternative way. If saying how & why
we 'won and we better have for the security of this country' is
holier than thou, better to accept that now and move on than us all
having to live under the rhetoric and slick talk of an inexperienced
leader. Your comrade Clinton is a shining example also. Never more
than a domestic bazooka, what kind of presidential candidate WAS
Kerry when he had this idiot speak up for him? Knowing how Willy
manipulated all those around him (as well as those under his desk) is
NOT the kind of values we as mainstream Americans want or need.

You got what you wanted with this election? Then you will have no
one else to blame when your little world falls apart.

Seems to have held together pretty well for 4 years....enough to get
another four of the same. And thank God for that! If it falls apart
then we use our strength to put it back together again, and not whine
like you are. We're in the middle of WWIII that will last far longer
than the first 2 did. That translates out to mean the democrats have
a long, difficult road ahead of them if they ever expect to get out
from under the soiled sheets Clinton gave us, or the traitorous
speeches by Sen. Ted Kennedy that would make his brothers roll over
in their graves.

I didn't see you making any comments about republicans who didn't
serve. By the way, what is your veteran status??

I'm a veteran, but not in the way you'd probably know. That's why I
didn't comment about your statement of the executive branch, because
I don't truly know--and neither do you--what they've done in the
past. What I did when I was young was OCONUS and for the Gov't., and
I went on 2 short support trips since we attacked Afghanastan and
Iraq. No purple hearts; no medals of any kind. Just dedicated service
to help this country. Now I wonder what kind of service Michael moore
put in.....

I truly admire Bill Clinton. He balanced the budget and created a
surplus. I would have voted for him again if I could have but, you
see, he wasn't running for president. Neither is Michael Moore. We
are stuck with a priveleged bozo in the white house for the next 4.
As a matter of record: Kerry could have bought his way out of Nam
but he didn't. His family has money and influence. I'm glad to see
that strength of character means something these days. Oh wait,
maybe it doesn't. You can continue to besmerch John Kerry's career
but he is a far better man than what we ended up with.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
>
> Typical Singer. This holier than thou attitude is exactly why I
> removed myself from your VP group all those months ago.

Maybe you missed the boat, but whenever you have common sense on

your

side, you frequently receive comments like you just made. It's

also

why your candidate lost. He spent his entire campaign criticizing
Bush, while offering no credible alternative way. If saying how &

why

we 'won and we better have for the security of this country' is
holier than thou, better to accept that now and move on than us

all

having to live under the rhetoric and slick talk of an

inexperienced

leader. Your comrade Clinton is a shining example also. Never more
than a domestic bazooka, what kind of presidential candidate WAS
Kerry when he had this idiot speak up for him? Knowing how Willy
manipulated all those around him (as well as those under his desk)

is

NOT the kind of values we as mainstream Americans want or need.

>You got what you wanted with this election? Then you will have no
>one else to blame when your little world falls apart.

Seems to have held together pretty well for 4 years....enough to

get

another four of the same. And thank God for that! If it falls

apart

then we use our strength to put it back together again, and not

whine

like you are. We're in the middle of WWIII that will last far

longer

than the first 2 did. That translates out to mean the democrats

have

a long, difficult road ahead of them if they ever expect to get

out

from under the soiled sheets Clinton gave us, or the traitorous
speeches by Sen. Ted Kennedy that would make his brothers roll

over

in their graves.

>I didn't see you making any comments about republicans who didn't
>serve. By the way, what is your veteran status??

I'm a veteran, but not in the way you'd probably know. That's why

I

didn't comment about your statement of the executive branch,

because

I don't truly know--and neither do you--what they've done in the
past. What I did when I was young was OCONUS and for the Gov't.,

and

I went on 2 short support trips since we attacked Afghanastan and
Iraq. No purple hearts; no medals of any kind. Just dedicated

service

to help this country. Now I wonder what kind of service Michael

moore

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

put in.....

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@y...> wrote:

I truly admire Bill Clinton. He balanced the budget and created a
surplus. I would have voted for him again if I could have but, you
see, he wasn't running for president.

And he started WWIII. And you see, HE'S one of the primary reasons a
guy like Kerry couldn't and never will get into where Mama Ketchup
can have all the glory that her money won't buy her. Americans want
values and morality. If you 'truly admire' the likes of Clinton--
someone who shamed his country, wife, family, and friends--then
you're just a tad bit touched, and not being the person you were born
as.

Neither is Michael Moore.

Imagine that.

We

are stuck with a priveleged bozo in the white house for the next 4.
As a matter of record: Kerry could have bought his way out of Nam
but he didn't. His family has money and influence. I'm glad to see
that strength of character means something these days. Oh wait,
maybe it doesn't. You can continue to besmerch John Kerry's career
but he is a far better man than what we ended up with.

More sour grapes, but what else should we winners expect? I can
appreciate the agony you and yours are going through--and will
continue for years to come. Kerry was a coward who is now being
investigated for child abuse in Vietnam when he allegedly 'earned'
that Bronze Star. He's a flim-flam man with flip-flop to boot. And he
has...no, HAD quite a following that really helped him.

>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
> <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Typical Singer. This holier than thou attitude is exactly why I
> > removed myself from your VP group all those months ago.
>
> Maybe you missed the boat, but whenever you have common sense on
your
> side, you frequently receive comments like you just made. It's
also
> why your candidate lost. He spent his entire campaign criticizing
> Bush, while offering no credible alternative way. If saying how &
why
> we 'won and we better have for the security of this country' is
> holier than thou, better to accept that now and move on than us
all
> having to live under the rhetoric and slick talk of an
inexperienced
> leader. Your comrade Clinton is a shining example also. Never

more

> than a domestic bazooka, what kind of presidential candidate WAS
> Kerry when he had this idiot speak up for him? Knowing how Willy
> manipulated all those around him (as well as those under his

desk)

is
> NOT the kind of values we as mainstream Americans want or need.
>
> >You got what you wanted with this election? Then you will have

no

> >one else to blame when your little world falls apart.
>
> Seems to have held together pretty well for 4 years....enough to
get
> another four of the same. And thank God for that! If it falls
apart
> then we use our strength to put it back together again, and not
whine
> like you are. We're in the middle of WWIII that will last far
longer
> than the first 2 did. That translates out to mean the democrats
have
> a long, difficult road ahead of them if they ever expect to get
out
> from under the soiled sheets Clinton gave us, or the traitorous
> speeches by Sen. Ted Kennedy that would make his brothers roll
over
> in their graves.
>
> >I didn't see you making any comments about republicans who

didn't

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
> >serve. By the way, what is your veteran status??
>
> I'm a veteran, but not in the way you'd probably know. That's why
I
> didn't comment about your statement of the executive branch,
because
> I don't truly know--and neither do you--what they've done in the
> past. What I did when I was young was OCONUS and for the Gov't.,
and
> I went on 2 short support trips since we attacked Afghanastan and
> Iraq. No purple hearts; no medals of any kind. Just dedicated
service
> to help this country. Now I wonder what kind of service Michael
moore
> put in.....

You should go to this link and see what the effects were of your
protesting. www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp.
You call President Bush a deserter for his National Guard service and
claim you admire Clinton?
Are you on Dan Rathers' payroll?
And just to set the record straight. It was a Republican Congress
that balanced the budget, not Clinton. The Executive branch can't
spend a dime it's the legislative branch that does it. Clinton
submitted a budget and the republicans chopped it and balanced it.
What the impeached President gave us was one of the biggest tax
increases in history and an economy that almost brought Wall Street
to it's knees. Do you realise how much wealth was lost from the
average persons pension on Clintons watch? If you believe that the
economy is the Presidents doing then you have to hang these on
Klintoon.
Perhaps you should check your facts before making these statements.
You sound like a sock-puppet of the main stream media.

I truly admire Bill Clinton. He balanced the budget and created a
surplus. I would have voted for him again if I could have but, you
see, he wasn't running for president. Neither is Michael Moore. We
are stuck with a priveleged bozo in the white house for the next 4.
As a matter of record: Kerry could have bought his way out of Nam
but he didn't. His family has money and influence. I'm glad to see
that strength of character means something these days. Oh wait,
maybe it doesn't. You can continue to besmerch John Kerry's career
but he is a far better man than what we ended up with.

>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
> <diversified_slave@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Typical Singer. This holier than thou attitude is exactly why I
> > removed myself from your VP group all those months ago.
>
> Maybe you missed the boat, but whenever you have common sense on
your
> side, you frequently receive comments like you just made. It's
also
> why your candidate lost. He spent his entire campaign criticizing
> Bush, while offering no credible alternative way. If saying how &
why
> we 'won and we better have for the security of this country' is
> holier than thou, better to accept that now and move on than us
all
> having to live under the rhetoric and slick talk of an
inexperienced
> leader. Your comrade Clinton is a shining example also. Never

more

> than a domestic bazooka, what kind of presidential candidate WAS
> Kerry when he had this idiot speak up for him? Knowing how Willy
> manipulated all those around him (as well as those under his

desk)

is
> NOT the kind of values we as mainstream Americans want or need.
>
> >You got what you wanted with this election? Then you will have

no

> >one else to blame when your little world falls apart.
>
> Seems to have held together pretty well for 4 years....enough to
get
> another four of the same. And thank God for that! If it falls
apart
> then we use our strength to put it back together again, and not
whine
> like you are. We're in the middle of WWIII that will last far
longer
> than the first 2 did. That translates out to mean the democrats
have
> a long, difficult road ahead of them if they ever expect to get
out
> from under the soiled sheets Clinton gave us, or the traitorous
> speeches by Sen. Ted Kennedy that would make his brothers roll
over
> in their graves.
>
> >I didn't see you making any comments about republicans who

didn't

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
> >serve. By the way, what is your veteran status??
>
> I'm a veteran, but not in the way you'd probably know. That's why
I
> didn't comment about your statement of the executive branch,
because
> I don't truly know--and neither do you--what they've done in the
> past. What I did when I was young was OCONUS and for the Gov't.,
and
> I went on 2 short support trips since we attacked Afghanastan and
> Iraq. No purple hearts; no medals of any kind. Just dedicated
service
> to help this country. Now I wonder what kind of service Michael
moore
> put in.....