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Tipping

I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh comment. My remark
wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks seem to think that those in a
low-paying service job should simply go out and get a better paying one if
they want it, like that's so easy in today's economy. Some folks simply have
no idea what's going on out there, viewed from their insulated little
private kingdom. Every day, I see good, solid, hard-working citizens being
thrown out of work and even out into the street through no fault of their own.
When I saw that someone posted such an ignorant remark, I just blew up.
Sorry.
- Brian in MI

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In a message dated 3/10/2010 8:59:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
7711-jimmason@usa.net writes:

Tipping is a no win subject and not allowed on this
forum. Sorry to say but, there are a lot of cranky people out there
these days.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

How did this happy thread turn into gamblers whinning about tipping

attendants?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Marksalot300@ wrote:
>
> What a staggeringly ignorant statement.
>
>
>
> kungalooosh writes:
>
> Let them get higher-paying jobs, if they want more money.

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Probably ~20-25% of people in Las Vegas are unemployed. My auto
mechanic says his wife (with a masters degree) can't even get a job at
McDonalds.

Nationally:
See "Broader U-6 Unemployment Rate Increases to 16.8% in
February" [Wall Street Journal - 3/5/10]
  http://ff.im/h18QQ

The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization, known as the
“U-6″ for its data classification by the Labor Department, accounts
for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-
time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.6 percentage point below its
high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence from the official
number (the “U-3″ unemployment measure) indicates the job market
has a long way to go before growth in the economy translates into
relief for workers.

The U-6 figure includes everyone in the official rate plus
“marginally attached workers” — those who are neither working nor
looking for work, but say they want a job and have looked for work
recently; and people who want full-time work but took a part-time
schedule instead because that’s all they could find.

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On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Marksalot300@aol.com wrote:

I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh comment. My remark
wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks seem to think that
those in a
low-paying service job should simply go out and get a better paying
one if
they want it, like that's so easy in today's economy.

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She can't get a job because of the masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mitchell Tsai <tsai@...> wrote:

Probably ~20-25% of people in Las Vegas are unemployed. My auto
mechanic says his wife (with a masters degree) can't even get a job at
McDonalds.

Nationally:
See "Broader U-6 Unemployment Rate Increases to 16.8% in
February" [Wall Street Journal - 3/5/10]
  http://ff.im/h18QQ

The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization, known as the
“U-6″ for its data classification by the Labor Department, accounts
for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-
time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.6 percentage point below its
high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence from the official
number (the “U-3″ unemployment measure) indicates the job market
has a long way to go before growth in the economy translates into
relief for workers.

The U-6 figure includes everyone in the official rate plus
“marginally attached workers” â€" those who are neither working nor
looking for work, but say they want a job and have looked for work
recently; and people who want full-time work but took a part-time
schedule instead because that’s all they could find.

On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Marksalot300@... wrote:

> I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh comment. My remark
> wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks seem to think that
> those in a
> low-paying service job should simply go out and get a better paying
> one if
> they want it, like that's so easy in today's economy.

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Great advice. Make yourself look stupid to get a job. Maybe in your world, but not mine. I'll take brains anyday.

Jigger

"I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid."

"I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter."

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--- On Thu, 3/11/10, caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com> wrote:

From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:52 AM
She can't get a job because of the
masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change
her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
Mitchell Tsai <tsai@...> wrote:
>
> Probably ~20-25% of people in Las Vegas are
unemployed. My auto
> mechanic says his wife (with a masters degree) can't
even get a job at
> McDonalds.
>
> Nationally:
> See "Broader U-6 Unemployment Rate Increases to 16.8%
in
> February" [Wall Street Journal - 3/5/10]
> http://ff.im/h18QQ
>
> The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization,
known as the
> “U-6″ for its data classification by the
Labor Department, accounts
> for people who have stopped looking for work or who
can’t find full-
> time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.6 percentage
point below its
> high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence
from the official
> number (the “U-3″ unemployment measure)
indicates the job market
> has a long way to go before growth in the economy
translates into
> relief for workers.
>
> The U-6 figure includes everyone in the official rate
plus
> “marginally attached workersâ€� â€"
those who are neither working nor
> looking for work, but say they want a job and have
looked for work
> recently; and people who want full-time work but took
a part-time
> schedule instead because that’s all they could
find.
>
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Marksalot300@... wrote:
>
> > I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh
comment. My remark
> > wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks
seem to think that
> > those in a
> > low-paying service job should simply go out and
get a better paying
> > one if
> > they want it, like that's so easy in today's
economy.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Stating on your resume that you have an AA degree makes you look stupid?

Maybe in your world, but not mine.

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>wrote:

Great advice. Make yourself look stupid to get a job. Maybe in your
world, but not mine. I'll take brains anyday.

Jigger

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com> wrote:
> From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:52 AM
> She can't get a job because of the
> masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change
> her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree

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Your world probably has no masters degree either, huh? My world ain't stupid, except for reading some of the drivel posted here, of course.....

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--- On Thu, 3/11/10, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Tipping
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:24 AM
Stating on your resume that you have
an AA degree makes you look stupid?

Maybe in your world, but not mine.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Great advice. Make yourself look stupid to get a
job. Maybe in your
> world, but not mine. I'll take brains anyday.
>
> Jigger
>
> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com> > wrote:
> > From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:52 AM
> > She can't get a job because of the
> > masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs
to change
> > her resume to saying she has no more than AA
degree
>

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How did the tipping question turn into an argument about resumes? Whoever it was that said tipping is an off limits topic on this forum was right lol.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:24:45
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Tipping

Stating on your resume that you have an AA degree makes you look stupid?

Maybe in your world, but not mine.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com>wrote:

Great advice. Make yourself look stupid to get a job. Maybe in your
world, but not mine. I'll take brains anyday.

Jigger

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com> wrote:
> From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:52 AM
> She can't get a job because of the
> masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change
> her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree

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I wouldn't suggest that - you never know when an old resume can surface. I understand the problem with being "over-qualified" for a position: the employer figures she'll bail as soon as something better comes along.

She might want to just list schools attended on the resume, without actually putting down the degrees earned. At the worst, someone could assume she doesn't know how to prepare a very good resume, but she should always answer honestly if asked what degrees she does have. If she can get to the hiring manager without filling out an employment application, she can impress the manager without actually stating that she has her masters.
Employers do check, but that is usually HR, not the hiring manager. If she is hired, and they find out she omitted schools attended, they can let her go for not being truthful in her application.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." - Yogi Berra

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From: caplatinum <belairgold@aol.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 10:52:47 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping

She can't get a job because of the masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, Mitchell Tsai <tsai@...> wrote:

Probably ~20-25% of people in Las Vegas are unemployed. My auto
mechanic says his wife (with a masters degree) can't even get a job at
McDonalds.

Nationally:
See "Broader U-6 Unemployment Rate Increases to 16.8% in
February" [Wall Street Journal - 3/5/10]
http://ff.im/ h18QQ

The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization, known as the
“U-6″ for its data classification by the Labor Department, accounts
for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-
time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.6 percentage point below its
high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence from the official
number (the “U-3″ unemployment measure) indicates the job market
has a long way to go before growth in the economy translates into
relief for workers.

The U-6 figure includes everyone in the official rate plus
“marginally attached workersâ€� â€" those who are neither working nor
looking for work, but say they want a job and have looked for work
recently; and people who want full-time work but took a part-time
schedule instead because that’s all they could find.

On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Marksalot300@ ... wrote:

> I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh comment. My remark
> wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks seem to think that
> those in a
> low-paying service job should simply go out and get a better paying
> one if
> they want it, like that's so easy in today's economy.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Id take brains any day as well but when you need a job quickly you have to adjust your resume and attitude to get it. After I graduated college and jobs were scarce in my field I looked in other areas to get myself started. I was told several times that my degree made me overqualified and I wouldn't be considered. In California, where I grew up, degrees were everything. In Vegas, degrees do not matter much unless you can land an upper management position or engineering(math or science) related job. This is from personal experience and from others with degrees I have talked to. Just look at many of the job listings. They almost always list "minimum - High School diploma needed," not College degree required.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:

Great advice. Make yourself look stupid to get a job. Maybe in your world, but not mine. I'll take brains anyday.

Jigger

"I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid."

"I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter."

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, caplatinum <belairgold@...> wrote:

> From: caplatinum <belairgold@...>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 7:52 AM
> She can't get a job because of the
> masters degree, she is over qualified, she needs to change
> her resume to saying she has no more than AA degree
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> Mitchell Tsai <tsai@> wrote:
> >
> > Probably ~20-25% of people in Las Vegas are
> unemployed. My autoÂ
> > mechanic says his wife (with a masters degree) can't
> even get a job atÂ
> > McDonalds.
> >
> > Nationally:
> > See "Broader U-6 Unemployment Rate Increases to 16.8%
> inÂ
> > February" [Wall Street Journal - 3/5/10]
> > Â Â Â http://ff.im/h18QQ
> >
> > The comprehensive gauge of labor underutilization,
> known as theÂ
> > â€Å"U-6″ for its data classification by the
> Labor Department, accountsÂ
> > for people who have stopped looking for work or who
> can’t find full-
> > time jobs. Though the rate is still 0.6 percentage
> point below itsÂ
> > high of 17.4% in October, its continuing divergence
> from the officialÂ
> > number (the â€Å"U-3″ unemployment measure)
> indicates the job marketÂ
> > has a long way to go before growth in the economy
> translates intoÂ
> > relief for workers.
> >
> > The U-6 figure includes everyone in the official rate
> plusÂ
> > â€Å"marginally attached workers� â€"
> those who are neither working norÂ
> > looking for work, but say they want a job and have
> looked for workÂ
> > recently; and people who want full-time work but took
> a part-timeÂ
> > schedule instead because that’s all they could
> find.
> >
> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Marksalot300@ wrote:
> >
> > > I'll apologize to the group at large for my harsh
> comment. My remark
> > > wasn't about tipping. It about how some folks
> seem to think thatÂ
> > > those in a
> > > low-paying service job should simply go out and
> get a better payingÂ
> > > one if
> > > they want it, like that's so easy in today's
> economy.  Â
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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1) Many employers are worried about employee retention, and won't hire
"over-qualified" people.
Stupid in my book. Talk to the person & discuss employee retention
(and/or discuss "leave before X date" clauses).

2) Many employers are afraid of smart people that they can't control
(or who might look better than them, making them look bad).
Thus the business school phrase I never liked "A people hire A people,
B people hire C people".
...the I don't want to hire "someone who could replace me in my job"
fear.

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On Mar 13, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Sai wrote:

Id take brains any day as well but when you need a job quickly you
have to adjust your resume and attitude to get it. After I graduated
college and jobs were scarce in my field I looked in other areas to
get myself started. I was told several times that my degree made me
overqualified and I wouldn't be considered. In California, where I
grew up, degrees were everything. In Vegas, degrees do not matter
much unless you can land an upper management position or
engineering(math or science) related job. This is from personal
experience and from others with degrees I have talked to. Just look
at many of the job listings. They almost always list "minimum - High
School diploma needed," not College degree required.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]