www.cocktaildoll.com
could be interesting to some
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Who knew we were all such a bunch of cheapskates. Highrollers should
tip a minimum of $5 per drink. If you win a jackpot it is appreciated
if you slip the cocktail waitress $100 when she comes around, oh
brother. I don't ever get inebriated when I am gambling so for me
cocktail waitresses tend to be more of an annoyance than a benefit.
After all if I tip you $1 for bringing me 4 ounces of diet coke then
who is doing who the favor? Still it was an eye opener to see how much
money the waitresses make. If it takes her 10 minutes to do a tray of
20 drinks and she is getting a $1 tip from 75% of the customers that
works out to be pretty good pay. Especially since she states that the
IRS is assuming income of .25 per drink so if she is not honest with
her taxes she would be doing take home pay that is really huge. I've
noticed alot of the customers for whom the drinking is more important
that the gambling will lavish huge tips on the cocktail waitresses. I
do agree that if you are not going to tip her the best thing to do is
to quietly take the drink and then just say thank you. The last thing
they want to do is listen to some lengthy lame excuse on why you can't
tip them.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Karen Beno <karen_beno@...> wrote:
www.cocktaildoll.com
could be interesting to some
It has nothing to do with being "honest" with her taxes. She signs a tip
compliance form with the IRS. She agrees to declare "whatever the agreed
amount is" no matter what her actual tip income is and the IRS agrees not to
audit her return based on her declared tip income. Only available in Nevada
and one of the rare circumstances where you can legally under report your
income.
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
markhaslem
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:40 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping the waitress …
.Especially since she states that the
IRS is assuming income of .25 per drink so if she is not honest with
her taxes she would be doing take home pay that is really huge.
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My understanding of this agreement is that it is not actually legal to
under report. Rather, the IRS has agreed not to audit returns that
declare tip income on this basis. As long as they are reporting at a
predetermined level (which varies by shift and casino), the IRS feels
they are getting close enough that audits will be more expensive than
they are worth.
This does not mean the IRS feels it is legal to under report. It just
means that the IRS is not going to come after you over it. IMO, this
is a significant, though largely academic, difference...
It has nothing to do with being "honest" with her taxes. She signs a tip
compliance form with the IRS. She agrees to declare "whatever the agreed
amount is" no matter what her actual tip income is and the IRS
agrees not to
audit her return based on her declared tip income. Only available in
Nevada
and one of the rare circumstances where you can legally under report
your
OK, so the IRS puts it in writing that you can report "x" tips even if "x"
tips is less than you actually earn. If you say that's not legal, well, I
am not an expert in "legal" matters so I will defer to you although it
certainly sounds legal to me. But to say someone is not honest because they
do not report their full tips when they have this agreement with the IRS is
absurd.
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
kkirschner
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:18 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping the waitress …
My understanding of this agreement is that it is not actually legal to
under report. Rather, the IRS has agreed not to audit returns that
declare tip income on this basis. As long as they are reporting at a
predetermined level (which varies by shift and casino), the IRS feels
they are getting close enough that audits will be more expensive than
they are worth.
This does not mean the IRS feels it is legal to under report. It just
means that the IRS is not going to come after you over it. IMO, this
is a significant, though largely academic, difference...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com, "randy"
<randyc@...> wrote:
It has nothing to do with being "honest" with her taxes. She signs a tip
compliance form with the IRS. She agrees to declare "whatever the agreed
amount is" no matter what her actual tip income is and the IRS
agrees not to
audit her return based on her declared tip income. Only available in
Nevada
and one of the rare circumstances where you can legally under report
your
income.
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The IRS says they will not audit you. That's not the same thing as
saying it is honest or that you are following the law. I don't think
you need to be a "legal" expert to understand the difference.
If a police officer says he will not give you a ticket unless you are
going more than 7 mph over the speed limit, is that the same as saying
it is legal to go 60 in a 55? Hardly...
OK, so the IRS puts it in writing that you can report "x" tips even
if "x"
tips is less than you actually earn. If you say that's not legal,
well, I
am not an expert in "legal" matters so I will defer to you although it
certainly sounds legal to me. But to say someone is not honest
because they
do not report their full tips when they have this agreement with the
IRS is
If the city of Las Vegas has me sign a piece of paper saying that I can go
60mph in a 55mph zone and they won't ticket me, then yes, I would say it's
"legal" for me to go 60mph in the city of Las Vegas despite the sign on the
side of the road that says 55mph.
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
kkirschner
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:27 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping the waitress …
The IRS says they will not audit you. That's not the same thing as
saying it is honest or that you are following the law. I don't think
you need to be a "legal" expert to understand the difference.
If a police officer says he will not give you a ticket unless you are
going more than 7 mph over the speed limit, is that the same as saying
it is legal to go 60 in a 55? Hardly...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> com, "randy"
<randyc@...> wrote:
OK, so the IRS puts it in writing that you can report "x" tips even
if "x"
tips is less than you actually earn. If you say that's not legal,
well, I
am not an expert in "legal" matters so I will defer to you although it
certainly sounds legal to me. But to say someone is not honest
because they
do not report their full tips when they have this agreement with the
IRS is
absurd.
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Regardless of whether it is 'legal' or 'honest' or whatever the
reality of it is that well, it is the reality of it.
When I was behind the bar at Fremont in Las Vegas I signed an
official IRS form saying that I would report X amount of money per
shift as my tips. This was called 'Tip Compliance' and it is a
gamble the IRS is willing to take to avoid having to analyze/audit
the tons of tipped workers.
The option is given to me though if I want to report actual tips or
the IRS's estimate of what I get tipped. The IRS actually does us a
favor though and estimates low.
So say I actually get $100 in tips for the night. The IRS may tax
me on only $40. On the other hand, there has been a few
circumstances where I have made less than $40 in tips yet I am taxed
on $40.
This system works in that the IRS knows they will get taxes on
something. What would stop someone from short reporting as others
here have mentioned, ie: making $100 and only reporting $40?
So again, whether it is right or honest or ethical it is the way it
works and every one seems to be happy with it.
Obviously, the difference between WON'T and CAN'T escapes you.
Since you do not appear willing to understand the nuance of the
situation, I will not waste any more time.
If the city of Las Vegas has me sign a piece of paper saying that I
can go
60mph in a 55mph zone and they won't ticket me, then yes, I would
say it's
"legal" for me to go 60mph in the city of Las Vegas despite the sign
on the