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tipping question

#1

My wife and I were playing at Harrah's Tahoe tonight on the $5
machines and after I was dealt 2 to the royal and the next 2 cards
were to the royal, 5th card made the flush, we realized that we
almost won $22,000 (progressive). After our hearts restarted we
starting talking about tipping on that. We usually tip out around
5% depending on the staff and our familiarity with them. I told my
wife that I wouldn't tip $1,000 to staff that I didn't know,
especially when I never got, nor required any service while I was in
the high stakes room. I would have tipped about $500. I am not a
low tipper, usually meals at 20-30%.

Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout? Any
thoughts from those of you who deal with this regularly? I would be
curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino with familar
staff as opposed to a different casino where you know no staff, nor
were you treated special.

Thanks in advance,
Ernie Mayhorn

#2

Ernie wrote:
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Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout?

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According to this source:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ.htm
the median tip on a $20k win is $75---so you will not be considered cheap.

#3

I normally play $1 or $2 video poker and tip either 0.5% or
1.0% on a W2G item, depending on where I'm playing and
who the staff member is.

vpFae

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On 8 Sep 2006 at 4:52, Ernie wrote:

I would be curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino
with familar staff as opposed to a different casino where you know
no staff, nor were you treated special.

#4

There is no need to tip slot attendants.

Cogno

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Ernie
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2006 9:52 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] tipping question

My wife and I were playing at Harrah's Tahoe tonight on the $5 machines and
after I was dealt 2 to the royal and the next 2 cards were to the royal, 5th
card made the flush, we realized that we almost won $22,000 (progressive).
After our hearts restarted we starting talking about tipping on that. We
usually tip out around 5% depending on the staff and our familiarity with
them. I told my wife that I wouldn't tip $1,000 to staff that I didn't
know, especially when I never got, nor required any service while I was in
the high stakes room. I would have tipped about $500. I am not a low
tipper, usually meals at 20-30%.

Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout? Any thoughts from
those of you who deal with this regularly? I would be curious how you
handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino with familar staff as opposed to a
different casino where you know no staff, nor were you treated special.

Thanks in advance,
Ernie Mayhorn

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#5

Ernie wrote:

Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout? Any
thoughts from those of you who deal with this regularly? I would be
curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino with familar
staff ...

Most $1+ players consider 1% reasonably generous. At $5, I expect the
staff would be pleased with less.

As a rule, at my home casino when I have a nice hit, I reserve a bit
of the tip and seek out the staff who are particularly helpful visit
to visit. (That's particularly true if it's been a dry spell and I
haven't had cause to "tangibly" express my appreciation recently.)

- Harry

#6

Ditto!
0, zero, zip, nada, nothing. They can have all the attitude they
want, they still have to give you the money.

dipy911

ps. If they were really nice and no attitude, then $20 each. I might
give more on a progressive.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

There is no need to tip slot attendants.

Cogno

#7

wow you tip that much for somebody who is giving your
your winnings? its not like the waitresses who waits
on you and bring you your food. or is it?

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--- Ernie <erniesvp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

My wife and I were playing at Harrah's Tahoe tonight
on the $5
machines and after I was dealt 2 to the royal and
the next 2 cards
were to the royal, 5th card made the flush, we
realized that we
almost won $22,000 (progressive). After our hearts
restarted we
starting talking about tipping on that. We usually
tip out around
5% depending on the staff and our familiarity with
them. I told my
wife that I wouldn't tip $1,000 to staff that I
didn't know,
especially when I never got, nor required any
service while I was in
the high stakes room. I would have tipped about
$500. I am not a
low tipper, usually meals at 20-30%.

Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K
payout? Any
thoughts from those of you who deal with this
regularly? I would be
curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home
casino with familar
staff as opposed to a different casino where you
know no staff, nor
were you treated special.

Thanks in advance,
Ernie Mayhorn

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#8

I occasionally tip on jackpots, but I have yet to be glad I have or
identify any principle on which it could be based. In a way, tipping
less than what is expected is worse than not tipping at all. I love
the discussion about tipping that is in the first part of "Reservoir
Dogs." Steve Buscemi takes some words right out of my mouth.
Primarily, I can't get past the idea that generosity should be
reserved for the needy, which excludes almost anyone who has a job in
the United States, that tipping is represented as generosity, and that
I'm therefore being dishonest by tipping. If tipping is mandatory, as
it's often seen as, then it should be taken out of every jackpot as a
policy by the casino.

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Ditto!
0, zero, zip, nada, nothing. They can have all the attitude they
want, they still have to give you the money.

dipy911

ps. If they were really nice and no attitude, then $20 each. I might
give more on a progressive.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

There is no need to tip slot attendants.

Cogno

#9

I can't think of any time when a tip of $1000 would be warranted, even $4-500 is way above what I would hand over to somebody just to say "thanks". Granted, I'm not a high roller, and $400 is a lot of money to me, but still, what has this staffer done for you to deserve a $1000 tip? A $400 one? They brought you the money you won, how hard is that? Why do they deserve a percentage at all? I'd just slip them a few bucks for prompt service, and leave it at that. Granted, if I won big, I'd be more generous, but no way in hell would I be tipping in the multiples of $100's, no matter what the win. I think this tipping stuff has gone too far when we feel obligated to give away a percentage of what we have won to the casino employees. What if you hit for several million, do you buy the coctail waitress a house? Where does this stuff stop?

Just my $.02.

Darrin

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Ernie
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:52 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] tipping question

  My wife and I were playing at Harrah's Tahoe tonight on the $5
  machines and after I was dealt 2 to the royal and the next 2 cards
  were to the royal, 5th card made the flush, we realized that we
  almost won $22,000 (progressive). After our hearts restarted we
  starting talking about tipping on that. We usually tip out around
  5% depending on the staff and our familiarity with them. I told my
  wife that I wouldn't tip $1,000 to staff that I didn't know,
  especially when I never got, nor required any service while I was in
  the high stakes room. I would have tipped about $500. I am not a
  low tipper, usually meals at 20-30%.

  Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout? Any
  thoughts from those of you who deal with this regularly? I would be
  curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino with familar
  staff as opposed to a different casino where you know no staff, nor
  were you treated special.

  Thanks in advance,
  Ernie Mayhorn

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#10

I think that as long as you keep winning, you can go ahead and tip as
much as you want or as much as you can afford!

But, for example, you just lost 20k the day or week before and all
you got from the casino is "sorry, to hear that", then maybe you
should think twice before handing them the $400-$500. :>

...just an opinion...

My wife and I were playing at Harrah's Tahoe tonight on the $5
machines and after I was dealt 2 to the royal and the next 2 cards
were to the royal, 5th card made the flush, we realized that we
almost won $22,000 (progressive). After our hearts restarted we
starting talking about tipping on that. We usually tip out around
5% depending on the staff and our familiarity with them. I told my
wife that I wouldn't tip $1,000 to staff that I didn't know,
especially when I never got, nor required any service while I was

in

the high stakes room. I would have tipped about $500. I am not a
low tipper, usually meals at 20-30%.

Would I have been cheap at only 400-500 on a 20K payout? Any
thoughts from those of you who deal with this regularly? I would

be

curious how you handle 20K+ payouts at your home casino with

familar

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Ernie" <erniesvp@...> wrote:

staff as opposed to a different casino where you know no staff, nor
were you treated special.

Thanks in advance,
Ernie Mayhorn

#11

One might wonder if you feel that way when u are given
service in a restaurant Tom. Or do you conveniently
ignore that servers make 55% LESS than minimum wage so
they RELY ON tips for their income.
Yes, most servers make around $3.00 an hour.Do they
qualify as "needy" in your book?

                     Steve

--- Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson@earthlink.net>
wrote:

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Primarily, I can't get past the idea that generosity
should be
reserved for the needy, which excludes almost anyone
who has a job in
the United States, that tipping is represented as
generosity, and that
I'm therefore being dishonest by tipping.

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#12

Only if she's good looking and I get conjugal visits...and I can write
it off as a charitable contribution on my taxes :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Darrin Culver" <dtculver@...> wrote:

What if you hit for several million, do you buy the coctail waitress
a house?

#13

"Only if she's good looking and I get conjugal visits"

Actually you have it backwards. In that case SHE gets to write it off as a
charitable contribution!

...and I can write
it off as a charitable contribution on my taxes :slight_smile:

Don the Dentist

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dds2124
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:54 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: tipping question

#14

Absolutely!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson@...>
wrote:

If tipping is mandatory, as it's often seen as, then it should be
taken out of every jackpot as a policy by the casino.

When the RF payout represents about 2% of the EV, and if 1% is a
consensus tip according to the recent posts here, isn't that turning
the game from a positive EV to a negative one?

To paraphrase Bertie Wooster, what would Bob Dancer do?

#15

1% of the Royal would reduce the EV by %0.0198 if you were playing 9/6 jb .
I consider this to be insignificant in the overall payback of the game.
I feel that tipping on jackpots should be considered the same as tipping in a restaurant, good service gets tipped, bad does not.
If you can't afford to tip in a restaurant, then you should eat at home and save even more money.
If you can't afford to tip in a casino, then maybe you are playing over your head. I don't advocate over tipping, and I can't see
myself ever tipping more than $100 unless I won Megabucks or something like that. I am not crazy about tipping myself, but I do
what convention requires. I certainly love the TITO machines that just give me a nice quiet tip free credit of $1000, when I get lucky.

Regards
A.P.

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To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: tipping question

When the RF payout represents about 2% of the EV, and if 1% is a
consensus tip according to the recent posts here, isn't that turning
the game from a positive EV to a negative one?

#16

Unless someone I'm with GENEROUSLY offers to leave the tip, or I'm
eating alone, I leave something in a restaurant. But it has nothing
to do with generosity or neediness. That they rely on tips is
relevant in that it's an argument for there being an unwritten rule
that tipping is mandatory, since "everyone" does it, which is how I
justify it, but it's not hard to find people who need money far more
than servers in a restaurant do.

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One might wonder if you feel that way when u are given
service in a restaurant Tom. Or do you conveniently
ignore that servers make 55% LESS than minimum wage so
they RELY ON tips for their income.
Yes, most servers make around $3.00 an hour.Do they
qualify as "needy" in your book?

                    Steve

--- Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Primarily, I can't get past the idea that generosity
should be
reserved for the needy, which excludes almost anyone
who has a job in
the United States, that tipping is represented as
generosity, and that
I'm therefore being dishonest by tipping.

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#17

You're not giving 1% of the total EV of all the hands you play,
you're giving 1% of the Royal hit; i.e., you're giving 1% of 2%.

Absolutely!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <thomasrrobertson@>
wrote:
> If tipping is mandatory, as it's often seen as, then it should be
> taken out of every jackpot as a policy by the casino.

When the RF payout represents about 2% of the EV, and if 1% is a
consensus tip according to the recent posts here, isn't that

turning

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Adams Myth" <Adams_Myth@...> wrote:

the game from a positive EV to a negative one?

To paraphrase Bertie Wooster, what would Bob Dancer do?

#18

I find it an informative exercise to plug a games payouts, less
anticipated tip amounts, into Winpoker or Frugal and calculate the
reduced return. Royals are relatively uncommon, but tipping even
modestly on more frequent hands like quads can have a devastating
effect on ER if you are playing a game with a slim edge.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Adams Myth" <Adams_Myth@...> wrote:

When the RF payout represents about 2% of the EV, and if 1% is a
consensus tip according to the recent posts here, isn't that turning
the game from a positive EV to a negative one?

#19

Yes, yes, yes. I am surprised that I didn't notice that distinction.
And I am not mathematically challenged, which makes it worse!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dddddmike" <ddddmike@...> wrote:

You're not giving 1% of the total EV of all the hands you play,
you're giving 1% of the Royal hit; i.e., you're giving 1% of 2%.

#20

"Only if she's good looking and I get conjugal visits"

Actually you have it backwards. In that case SHE gets to write it

off as a

charitable contribution!

Randy - touche! Good one...had me grinning!

Don the Dentist

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@...> wrote: