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Tipping - Part 1

#1

Others wrote:

Of course, I also don't tip dealers - just because they do their job
with a pleasant demeanor. However, I *will* tip a dealer if he's
been helpful to me (such as reminding me to place the odds on
my pass line bet). And, I've even tipped change persons when
they assist me in locating a specific machine I'm looking for or
held my machine while I used the restroom.

I agree that tipping is a thank you gesture. But, I think that it
should be done when they have actually done something to thank
them for. Simply being friendly while giving me cash for my chips
(or TITO vouchers) isn't worthy of a tip, IMHO. And, I cannot think
of anything that a cashier would do for me which would warrant a
'thank you' gesture from me.

...

Tips in gaming are for something extra not just doing your job.
There are exceptions on case by case.

I have a lot of strong opinions about tipping, and in this case...

I respectfully disagree. Tips are expected to be given to dealers, and their income relies on tips substantially, to the point, as I understand it, that they get minimum wage or are perhaps even exempt from the requirements to pay minimum wage.

I DO recognize that most games have a minimum player edge, and that it's very easy to give that edge away in tips -- so I tend to be a "small" tipper for dealers - but a consistent one -- and it should occur whether you are winning or not (why should their livelihood depend on whether or not YOU were lucky?).

It is my understanding that other employees are NOT considered to be tip-dependent by their employer, and I think cashiers are among them -- so I am far less likely to tip a cashier, although I have done so on rare occasion (multiple transactions at a single visit to the cage, or a special request that my chips be provided in a specific configuration - eg, $200 green, $80 red, $20 white -- or that my cash, when going the other way, be in a special configuration, eg, asking for one or more of the larger bills to be broken down in a specific manner).

Anyone who has done a "service job" where the income is dependent on tips (as I have, long ago, but you don't forget) understands the importance of tipping to maintain the presence of that employee -- we don't want to end up with dealers (or cashiers, for that matter) where, unlike the current rare incident that might happen, errors are rampant due to incompetence or dishonesty and you constantly have to worry about whether mistakes are being made or you are being cheated - because that's the best they can hire for the money earned.

In addition, tips can be reduced, or no tip at all given, for substandard service, and can be increased for special or extraordinarily good service. The "standard" should not be what YOU think, but what the industry seems to establish as "average" performance, unless it happens to be a category where it seems like no one does their job very well.

The best employees in their category should get more than the others, to encourage them to continue and to encourage others to try to do better.

--BG

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#2

On the dealer thing? I have heard a dealer on the strip can make 70-
80 thoousand a year. The do make, I'll bet, more that a dealer
Downtown. Since the strip dealers have a better tip wage, should we
tip them less and beef up the tips when playing in the crummy not so
busy local joints?

Of course this would not happen. Some tip good and some bad. Life
is just not fair. We learned that in grade school or earlier.

Cheers....Jeep
.
.
. > I have a lot of strong opinions about tipping, and in this
case...

I respectfully disagree. Tips are expected to be given to

dealers, and their income relies on tips substantially, to the
point, as I understand it, that they get minimum wage or are perhaps
even exempt from the requirements to pay minimum wage.

I DO recognize that most games have a minimum player edge, and

that it's very easy to give that edge away in tips -- so I tend to
be a "small" tipper for dealers - but a consistent one -- and it
should occur whether you are winning or not (why should their
livelihood depend on whether or not YOU were lucky?).

It is my understanding that other employees are NOT considered to

be tip-dependent by their employer, and I think cashiers are among
them -- so I am far less likely to tip a cashier, although I have
done so on rare occasion (multiple transactions at a single visit to
the cage, or a special request that my chips be provided in a
specific configuration - eg, $200 green, $80 red, $20 white -- or
that my cash, when going the other way, be in a special
configuration, eg, asking for one or more of the larger bills to be
broken down in a specific manner).

Anyone who has done a "service job" where the income is dependent

on tips (as I have, long ago, but you don't forget) understands the
importance of tipping to maintain the presence of that employee --
we don't want to end up with dealers (or cashiers, for that matter)
where, unlike the current rare incident that might happen, errors
are rampant due to incompetence or dishonesty and you constantly
have to worry about whether mistakes are being made or you are being
cheated - because that's the best they can hire for the money earned.

In addition, tips can be reduced, or no tip at all given, for

substandard service, and can be increased for special or
extraordinarily good service. The "standard" should not be what YOU
think, but what the industry seems to establish as "average"
performance, unless it happens to be a category where it seems like
no one does their job very well.

The best employees in their category should get more than the

others, to encourage them to continue and to encourage others to try
to do better.

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--BG

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#3

That 70-80k / year for dealers includes tips. AFAIK, they are not making that as their base salary.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: whitejeeps
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:12 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping - Part 1

  On the dealer thing? I have heard a dealer on the strip can make 70-
  80 thoousand a year. The do make, I'll bet, more that a dealer
  Downtown. Since the strip dealers have a better tip wage, should we
  tip them less and beef up the tips when playing in the crummy not so
  busy local joints?

  Of course this would not happen. Some tip good and some bad. Life
  is just not fair. We learned that in grade school or earlier.

  Cheers....Jeep
  .
  .
  . > I have a lot of strong opinions about tipping, and in this
  case...
  >
  > I respectfully disagree. Tips are expected to be given to
  dealers, and their income relies on tips substantially, to the
  point, as I understand it, that they get minimum wage or are perhaps
  even exempt from the requirements to pay minimum wage.
  >
  > I DO recognize that most games have a minimum player edge, and
  that it's very easy to give that edge away in tips -- so I tend to
  be a "small" tipper for dealers - but a consistent one -- and it
  should occur whether you are winning or not (why should their
  livelihood depend on whether or not YOU were lucky?).
  >
  > It is my understanding that other employees are NOT considered to
  be tip-dependent by their employer, and I think cashiers are among
  them -- so I am far less likely to tip a cashier, although I have
  done so on rare occasion (multiple transactions at a single visit to
  the cage, or a special request that my chips be provided in a
  specific configuration - eg, $200 green, $80 red, $20 white -- or
  that my cash, when going the other way, be in a special
  configuration, eg, asking for one or more of the larger bills to be
  broken down in a specific manner).
  >
  > Anyone who has done a "service job" where the income is dependent
  on tips (as I have, long ago, but you don't forget) understands the
  importance of tipping to maintain the presence of that employee --
  we don't want to end up with dealers (or cashiers, for that matter)
  where, unlike the current rare incident that might happen, errors
  are rampant due to incompetence or dishonesty and you constantly
  have to worry about whether mistakes are being made or you are being
  cheated - because that's the best they can hire for the money earned.
  >
  > In addition, tips can be reduced, or no tip at all given, for
  substandard service, and can be increased for special or
  extraordinarily good service. The "standard" should not be what YOU
  think, but what the industry seems to establish as "average"
  performance, unless it happens to be a category where it seems like
  no one does their job very well.
  >
  > The best employees in their category should get more than the
  others, to encourage them to continue and to encourage others to try
  to do better.
  >
  > --BG
  >
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  >

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#4

Not bad money. however, I will point out that dealing ain't all that
easy. Lot of time on their feet and have to deal with all kinds of
people. Weekend and grave yard shifts; but it is a job. They really do
earn their money.

Have a nephew that left gaming to get a "regular" job. He took a cut
in pay for a time. Now a few years later he is doing better than his
friends still in gaming. My nephew works daytime and no weekends.

Cheers.....Jeep
.
.

That 70-80k / year for dealers includes tips. AFAIK, they are not

making that as their base salary.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mopar Man" <moparman4@...> wrote:

#5

Well "here you go again" looks like I'm the only one who tips the cashier cage. Okay y'all win---I give up...but the cashiers won't be happy...However...if I cash in say $100.75 in the future I just might break the rules! Many thanks for all your input. This is my favorite site.

whitejeeps <whitejeeps@yahoo.com> wrote: Not bad money. however, I will point out that dealing ain't all that
easy. Lot of time on their feet and have to deal with all kinds of
people. Weekend and grave yard shifts; but it is a job. They really do
earn their money.

Have a nephew that left gaming to get a "regular" job. He took a cut
in pay for a time. Now a few years later he is doing better than his
friends still in gaming. My nephew works daytime and no weekends.

Cheers.....Jeep
.
.

That 70-80k / year for dealers includes tips. AFAIK, they are not

making that as their base salary.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mopar Man" <moparman4@...> wrote:

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#6

The best employees in their category should get more than the others,

to encourage them to continue and to encourage others to try to do
better.

--BG

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I 100 percent agree. However,I have heard so much about tip sharing, I
wonder if it really matters. Seems to me that a tip sharing plan
should make allowances for one receiving an extraordinay tip. Do any
tip sharing plans make that allowance?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, b.glazer@... wrote:

#7

My experience when tipping dealers is to ask if they just want the tip
or if they want me to bet it for them. Most would rather just take the
tip, but a few like the excitement of being active in the game with a
bet riding for them. I personally will never make a bet for a dealer
unless they say to bet it. Just my two cents :slight_smile:

#8

cashier cage. Okay y'all win---I give up...but the cashiers won't be
happy...However...if I cash in say $100.75 in the future I just might
break the rules! Many thanks for all your input. This is my favorite
site.

No Rod I'm sure you are not the only one!!
I also tend to give them a tip at the cashiers cage if the amount I'm
cashing in involves some $1 bills. If its a even number say $300 then
they are out of luck....I figure I've given over that $1 of $301 enough
times for it to all even out. Or like you said if it's change I'm for
sure not going to scape that off the counter.
But you, like me, I assume play less frequently and for fun rather than
those on here who do this for a living. I could see their point too if
it was something I'd encounter everyday.
trish

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, rod carlon <vprod1@...> wrote:

Well "here you go again" looks like I'm the only one who tips the

#9

Hi Rod & Trish!

Please count me in your little group also.

If I'm cashing in a coin bucket (think the El Cortez) with $300 or
more in winnings, I always slip the cashier at least $2.00.

Even if I'm cashing in a large ticket ($1,000+) I always tip the
cashier $10.00.

It makes me feel good to do this, and it certainly seems to be
appreciated. I always receive big smiles, a nice thank-you and
instant recognition the next time I see the previously tipped
cashier.

But I think that you're absolutely correct, Trish, in mentioning
that we, as rec players, not pros, have much more leeway in this
regard.

If you are earning your daily bread and board by playing VP,
considering the razor thin edge usually available to a VP pro, it
can seriously impact on their bottom line to give ANY part of their
winnings away. I do understand and respect this.

So, I don't believe that there is a "right" or "wrong" answer to
whether cashiers should be tipped. I think thay it depends
entirely on your circumstances.

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, rod carlon <vprod1@> wrote:

Well "here you go again" looks like I'm the only one who tips the
cashier cage. Okay y'all win---I give up...but the cashiers won't
be happy...However...if I cash in say $100.75 in the future I just
might break the rules!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "udamom" <udamom@...> wrote:
No Rod I'm sure you are not the only one!!I also tend to give them a
tip at the cashiers cage if the amount I'm cashing in involves some
$1 bills.........

...........But you, like me, I assume play less frequently and for
fun rather than those on here who do this for a living. I could see
their point too if it was something I'd encounter everyday.
trish