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Now that all the words are hitting the wind about VP advantage play, I would like to ask if any of you think casinos use shills or other folks to aggravate advantage players?

I ask because I noticed something on my Sept. trip to LV that had not happened before but makes me wonder if the casino might be fighting back.

I was playing at Boulder Station, where i often play, and using my homemade strategy card which i have always perched on the glass (it fits behind the coin slot so perfectly!) I was minding my own business. Not button slapping, not blowing smoke, not bothering a soul, just trying to enjoy my VP vacation.

Yet, four times odd circumstances occurred that seemed designed to discourage my play.

First, i am playing away and an overtalkative woman walked up, grabbed my left hand which was laying in my lap, and gushed, "Oh what a gorgeous ring!" Yeah right, it's my wedding ring, special to me, but people do not come from several yards away to admire it. I pulled my hand back and looked all around concerned this was part of some "team" activity to swipe a coin bucket or something. Only the other players were around though. She grabbed my hand again and started in about the ring. I said, "I am concentrating on the game. Can't talk and concentrate." She proceeded to lecture me that "everyone there played for fun, etc.........." I continued to ignore her as she sat down next to me and began blowing smoke everywhere.

Wouldn't have thought much about it, but twice later in the casino in two different areas VERY unsavory men came and 1. hovered over my shoulder commenting on the game or 2. sat nearby, not playing, loitering and giving me the creeps that something illegal etc. was going to go down.

The fourth incident involved a casino employee whispering to me during a hopper fill that I'd been "seen working over at the Reserve" too. I first thought he mistook me for a casino employee and took it in that vein, but he made some other comment about being a pro.

Heck, if i was a pro i wouldn't need the strategy card. I know most people might not set it in plain view, but i have done it for years without any difficulties (other than a couple of execs at the suncoast freaked once summer 2001 saying among themselves they hoped a bunch of other people weren't going to start coming there using cards.........) the card is the same yellow they use on most machines it blends so beautifully. yeah, i know the cameras can read your watch but since i only get to play mostly on vacation keeping the card handy is very useful -- but i will not do it anymore given the current climate.

have other people had discouraging events occur when using a card or appearing very intent on their game?

quad karen

have other people had discouraging events occur when using a card or

appearing very intent on their game?

quad karen

I was playing a triple play NSUD at Harrah's Tahoe when a man came up behind
me and started making all kinds of comments about my play. He'd say "thatta
baby" and "good one", etc. When I held 3 to a Royal over 4 to a flush he
lectured me- "I know it's tempting to go for the royal in those situations
but mathematically it's better to go for the flush." I just glared at him
and said "Oh really?". Unfortunately I did not hit a royal but he did slink
off after that. I almost pulled out my strategy chart to show him but then
thought better of it.

Sylvia

The first three incidents you report sound very much like the tactics used
by theives. Distraction is a key in what they do, and many of them are very
good. Have you checked to see that you've still got all your fillings?
Kidding aside, it's very important that women play with a partner whenever
possible. When something suspicious occurs, look around for security, or hit
the change button to get someone over asap.

The comment by the employee was totally uncalled for, assuming you were not
"working" the Reserve. I'd report the employee.

From what you say, and the circumstances of being on vacation, there's no
reason to believe that they were on your case because of your strategy card.
Are you a slot club member there? Were you churning like crazy on a triple
points day? Were you blowing a couple of grand through so you could get a
jacket? Were you slamming buffet leftovers into a baggie? Were you aiming
a fan at every cigar smoker in the joint? Were you a button
slapper!!!?Probably not.

But you, and everyone else, should always be cautious about potential theft.
Concentrate on the game, yes, but always be aware of what's going on around
you, also.

lb

Geez, I've had weird things happen in AC, but not like that. I think Lawrence is right, that the first three are tactics used by crooks. They do that in AC all the time. I play alone a lot, but always make sure I have one hand on my coin bucket, if I have one. My purse is always securely on my shoulder, and my money usually isn't in it anyway. But people do get mugged in the garages, so I'm real careful there.
   I was in Vegas in November, and played in a couple joints with my strategy card out in the open. Once I felt more comfortable with deuces, I held it in my hand but hidden under my jacket or purse.
   I've just about memorized the few advantage games in AC, so I keep the card in my purse and refer to it when necessary.
   Karen, if you're from out of town and on vacation, they should know that from pulling up your records. It takes about two seconds. Sounds like you may want to play somewhere else in the future.
   Blessings and royals to all.

Elaine
Lawrence Boxer <ljboxer@earthlink.net> wrote:The first three incidents you report sound very much like the tactics used
by theives

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I play alone a lot, but always make sure I have one hand on my coin

bucket, if I have one.<<

Elaine, you and I have never met, but from what I hear you do have a hand.

sorry...sorry...

I saw a blond playing JOB and she kept hitting the change button. A few
seconds later she hit it again a few times. I asked her why she hit it more
than once and she said "I decided to play deauces wild, but it won't
change!"

sorry...sorry...

rankarbo@aol.com wrote:

    think casinos use shills or other folks to aggravate advantage
players?

I ask because I noticed something on my Sept. trip to LV that had not
happened before but makes me wonder if the casino might be fighting
back.

I was playing at Boulder Station, where i often play, and using my
homemade strategy card which i have always perched on the glass (it
fits behind the coin slot so perfectly!) I was minding my own
business. just trying to enjoy my VP vacation.

Yet, four times odd circumstances occurred that seemed designed to
discourage my play.

Hi Sylvia. I am responding to you post in private because I'm too
embarassed to admit my past sins in public. At one time when I was
just beginning to get interested in V.P., I used to watch people play.
If the person playing looked the least bit friendly, I would ask
questions about the game. I didn't know about Winpoker software at the
time. I really got dressed down by a lady at Foxwoods for taking an
interest in her playing. After that I realized that I was really being
too forward with people I didn't even know. The woman was right, I was
wrong, and I learned a valuable lesson. So maybe the incidences were
just curious people wondering how you played so well. Although some of
your incidences were really cause for concern. As to aggrivating
shills in the casino; a real good JOB 25 cent poker player only makes
about $8.00/hr [if they hit the royal] during a 40,000 hand cycle. I
can't imagine the casinos getting uptight about that. Dick McKenna

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Was playing at Harrahs in Shreveport a couple of months ago. Older man hovering over me and almost exact same scenario and comments from him. He was making me uncomfortable so I lit up a cig, ordered a drink and quit playing till he wandered off. Could they have shills? ROYALS TO ALL Kat

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Sylvia Gosline
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: tightening VP

  >
  > have other people had discouraging events occur when using a card or
  appearing very intent on their game?
  >
  > quad karen
  >
  >
  I was playing a triple play NSUD at Harrah's Tahoe when a man came up behind
  me and started making all kinds of comments about my play. He'd say "thatta
  baby" and "good one", etc. When I held 3 to a Royal over 4 to a flush he
  lectured me- "I know it's tempting to go for the royal in those situations
  but mathematically it's better to go for the flush." I just glared at him
  and said "Oh really?". Unfortunately I did not hit a royal but he did slink
  off after that. I almost pulled out my strategy chart to show him but then
  thought better of it.

  Sylvia

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I lit up a cig, ordered a drink and quit playing till he wandered off.

Could they have shills? ROYALS TO ALL Kat<<

Traditionally, shills are used to entice people to play, not to get them to
stop playing. Generally, the casinos don't want you to be distracted.
Against the pool of players, it's to their advantage to have players
focussed only on their play. I think that includes the occassional player
who's got a strategy card, a pad and pencil, a teddy bear atop their
machine, or even a fan.

lb