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The Siena has undergone (and still appears to be undergoing) a massive inventory change. All machines now appear to be TITO (there may still be some penny slots that are hand pay only on cash-out).

10/7 DB is gone, again. This time probably for good.

Some areas have machines removed, and are obviously expecting new machines to come in, but not all the new machines are in place yet, so expect further changes at the Siena.

What I found was:

- High limit area, near the slot club: 8 machines, $1 10 coin progressives, with 9/6 JoB, 9/7 DB, and 9/6 DDB.

- Bank of machines (mis)labelled "Quarters" - this is where the 10/7 DB used to be. On one side of the bank (4 machines) are single line MG/MD machines with 9/6 JoB available at $.25/$.50/$1. The other side of the bank (where the 10/7 DB used to be) are now multiline MG/MD machines with non full-pay paytables.

- Between the "Quarters" bank and a $1 progressive bank, there are 3 machines that have $1 9/6 JoB.

- At the $1 progressive bank not in the high limit area (8 machines, two meters, one for the 4 machines on each side of the bank), the best game on the progressives was 9/6 DDB.

- Sort of near the Contrada, there's a bank of 10 slant tops that have $.25 progressives on sub-par games, but also has 9/6 JoB at the $1 level.

There may still be some NSUD at the Siena somewhere, but I didn't look for it as wild card games are not eligible for the quads promotions. The bank of machines that used to have the $.05 10 coin NSUD progressive is gone, but it's not clear what's going back in there.

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The Peppermill has a lot more floor space as they are in progress on their expansion. The Sports book has been moved, is much larger, and is near the hotel entrance. It's somewhat disorienting in the middle of the casino to see the sports book in the wrong place.

A new sports deli is supposed to open soon next to the sports book.

Mr. Money's Challenge has been changed. It's now Mr. Money's Winner Take All game. In the old game, you piicked a square and it revealed a $ amount. Then you could bail out, collecting all the money you'd accumulated so far plus a bonus based on how many squares you'd successfully picked, or risk picking a square on the next level. If you picked a square on the next level, and it had a $ amount, you again had similar choices, but if you picked a "Sorry" square, you collected all the money you'd accumulated, but no bonus amount. Now, if you pick a "Sorry" square, you get no money at all, but you get a drawing ticket into a monthly "losers" drawing. Under the current game, the bonus amounts increase slower than they did on the old game, but supposedly there are fewer "Sorry" squares on the board. The value of the game and correct strategy are unclear, and are probably still dependent on tier level and recent play history.

As usual, Pmill invenitory is in flux, but most of the $1 and above plays still seem to be where they've been for a while.

Card swipe coupons seemed to have tightened up (at least the food related ones and the gift shop discounts), with much shorter expirations on them.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@...>
wrote:

10/7 DB is gone, again. This time probably for good.

The 10/7 have gone for a long time. This is nothing new. The best
game in Siena is worth at least 102% during promo but is in nickels.
This has been verified by my friend TomSki.

I have been a VP AP for at least 10 years, I am also a VP game
inventor, and have played in some of the best VP promos during the
golden age VP period during 2000 - 2003.

Right now, without question, Siena is the best place to play $1 VP if
you crack Siena's code. While Siena doesn't have $1 9/6 JOB (10 coin
machine) with RF reset at $9,400 as in Peppermill nor does Siena has
$1 NSDU with progressive RF a la Peppermill.

Good luck

From: "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@yahoo.com>
--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@...>
wrote:
> 10/7 DB is gone, again. This time probably for good.

The 10/7 have gone for a long time. This is nothing new.

For what definition of "long time'? As of November, they had $.25 10/7 DB, (10 coin), which had been there for many months, having had 1/2 of the machines restored after they'd all been pulled briefly. Certainly no-one had reported them being pulled in the last couple of months, so it's unwarranted to claim that this is somehow "old news", even if your private circle of friends knew all about it.

The best
game in Siena is worth at least 102% during promo but is in nickels.
This has been verified by my friend TomSki.

"Best" is a relative term. If you mean strictly the highest % return, then it's true that often some of the $.05 plays there have the highest % return. I would rarely call them the "best" plays though.

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The VP 10/7 DB machines were pulled the week of 12/17, I guess
that's "old news" to some. Actually, several machines were pulled
out throughout the casino, and remained out until I checked out of
the hotel on 12/25.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@...>
wrote:

>From: "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...>
>--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@>
>wrote:
> > 10/7 DB is gone, again. This time probably for good.
>
>The 10/7 have gone for a long time. This is nothing new.

For what definition of "long time'? As of November, they had $.25

10/7 DB,

(10 coin), which had been there for many months, having had 1/2 of

the

machines restored after they'd all been pulled briefly. Certainly

no-one

had reported them being pulled in the last couple of months, so

it's

unwarranted to claim that this is somehow "old news", even if your

private

circle of friends knew all about it.

>The best
>game in Siena is worth at least 102% during promo but is in

nickels.

>This has been verified by my friend TomSki.

"Best" is a relative term. If you mean strictly the highest %

return, then

it's true that often some of the $.05 plays there have the highest

% return.

  I would rarely call them the "best" plays though.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@...>
wrote:

"Best" is a relative term. If you mean strictly the highest %

return, then

it's true that often some of the $.05 plays there have the highest %

return.

  I would rarely call them the "best" plays though.

No, my post wasn't about relative terms since I referred specifically
to the AP industry: "best" refers to highest returns. I made that
point very clear. I never stated it was the highest EV per hour.
Otherwise, you are being argumentative since you are ignorant about
the AP environment.

(Speaking of Part Timer)

Otherwise, you are being argumentative since you are ignorant about

the AP environment.

Ha.

HA.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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On 1/7/07, fordscks <jason_c_vp@yahoo.com> wrote:

1. I am stating my claim for the second time -- Siena is the best
place to play VP for the $1 player in Reno if you know how to crack
the code. If King Fisher would like an honest and objective debate to
help the readers of this free message board, let's hear what
constructive comments "if any" he can add to the AP environment.

2. Siena's $1 VP games with associated benefits easily blows away
Boomtown's $1 10/DB with triple cash back during certain hours of the
week. There is no comparison.

3. For those APs who have played VP during the golden age, bring out
your safe cracking skills because Siena is practically giving away the
store. The best game right now in Siena with the right combination of
benefits is "about" 103.58% -- again the game is in nickels.

4. For those that know Tomski, knows he is a very generous person and
a well-respected VP expert. I couldn't believe Siena would have a
103% opportunity which is why I asked Tomski to verify the return.
Remember, Tomski is the person who invented VPSM.

If people want to be argumentative or petty, then clearly you guys
need to find some happiness in your lives. There's lots of money to
be made while playing VP in Reno.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

Otherwise, you are being argumentative since you are ignorant about
> the AP environment.

Actually, YOU wrote that about Part Timer.

Your absurd claim made me laugh. And laugh. And laugh. My sides are still
sore.

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On 1/8/07, fordscks <jason_c_vp@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
> Otherwise, you are being argumentative since you are ignorant about
> > the AP environment.

This post is getting rather silly.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@> wrote:
> Otherwise, you are being argumentative since you are ignorant about
> > the AP environment.

My understanding is that this was your response to Partimer who was
just saying that best is relative. No one was accusing you of beinf
ignorant, you were accusing others of being so - please don't be so
defensive.

Actually, YOU wrote that about Part Timer.

Your absurd claim made me laugh. And laugh. And laugh. My sides

are still

sore.

I don't think pettiness is funny. This is a message board about
sharing info on Reno VP. I can't help it if King Fish is just
a "loser" hiding behind the internet and being a coward at the same
time.

I've asked King Fish to defend his position and he either can't or
won't so it speaks volume about Kish Fish's pettiness. I stated my
claim very clearly and I made sure the quality of the information was
independently verified. Again, Siena is a great place to play $1 VP
if you know how to crack the code. Obviously people like King Fish
hasn't or lacks the ability to so.

Let's stay on topic of sharing good information on VP in Reno and
don't be like King Fish who is clearly unhappy with his life.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "ev_junkie" <ev_junkie@...>
wrote:

My understanding is that this was your response to Partimer who was
just saying that best is relative. No one was accusing you of

beinf

ignorant, you were accusing others of being so - please don't be so
defensive.

It's not about defensiveness nor semantics nor individualism -- it's
about people's pettiness and ignorance. I was posting from an AP
perspective and clearly Partimer failed to understand that so I was
educating him as well as others. In the AP industry, we use
specific terms that "civilians" may not appreciate nor fully
comprehend. I'm not the one ignorant of the AP environment since I
spent over 10 years gaining invaluable experience.

The difference between an AP and VP civilians isn't based on (a)
discerning the return of a VP game based on the pay table, (b) the
ability to play basic strategy or any near-optimal strategy for any
VP game, or (c) the use of cb or comps to enhance the returns. In
the case of Siena, any AP worth his or her salt can crack as in
exploit holes in Siena's marketing program (if I sat down and
explained it in detail to Kay or Randy or even Barney, they would
shit in their in pants on how badly the Siena can be beaten). Any
one knows about the Siena's best games, it's cb policy, it's comp
policy, it's promotions, etc. The AP puts these pieces together in
such a way (that Siena never intended) to create the biggest bang
possible for the least action.

To better explain the AP scenario more clear, please re-read this
example, at the bigger name casinos, it's not unreasonable to get
$200 to $300 in weekly welfare checks (in civilain parlance it's
called bounce back or mailers). Here the ignorance is that the
civilians don't knows the MINIMUM ACTION (aka min coin-in) required
to trigger these welfare checks. Image getting $200 to $300 from 4
or 5 casinos in Reno per week on least amount of action possible.

That means the AP is not mincing words becauses of semantics -- the
best game is the one with the highest return off the top (without
enhancements) and the best opportunity is either getting the biggest
bang for the buck or the highest EV per hour on a risk adjusted
basis (please use TomSki free TSI software to discern the latter
case - it can be downloaded for free at
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/TSI.htm -- the software blows away
Paymar's AQ). To be clear, while civilians know Boomtown has 10/7
DB with triple cash back on certain hours and anyone can play $1 or
$2 10/7, the best game is 10/7 no matter the denomination ($1 or
$2); however, the best opportunity depends on one's bankroll which
needs to be risk adjusted (note, we aren't using subjective
measurements like how you feel or likes, etc, but instead using
objective math-based measurements). That means if Partimer or
others want to debate opinions or other subjective ideas, then
please debate amongst themselves. I, on the other hand, am more
interested in debates using objective means and sharing information
on that basis (notice how King Fish doesn't provide any objective
arguments in his posts).

Lots of civilians, especially King Fish, lack the intelligence to
fully understand what an AP can do in Reno. RECALL, I stated Siena
is the best place in Reno to $1 VP IF (notice the qualifier) you
know how to crack the code. It took me 7 months due to existence
trial and error before I cracked Siena's code; it not easy.

If you are a max-coin nickel player, it is not uncommon to play a
nickel VP game with a return of at least 104% at Siena. That is
without a doubt, the best game in Siena. However, that is not the
best opportunity at Siena.

You made the claim that Part Timer was ignorant about advantage play in
Reno. If you were to go back and look at his posrting history, you'll find
he's very well informed about it.

In fact, back in Nov, you'll find a post from YOU wondering how to score a
PSP from the Peppermill (I think) that Part Timer answered for you. You
seem not to have acknowledged that help. How's that PSP working out for
you?

As for my happiness, you needn't worry. I make the lion's share of my
lliving from VP, and have for years. I've never been happier. It just
amuses me when someone calls Part Timer ignorant about Reno VP, since I, and
many others, know that's ludicrous.

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On 1/10/07, fordscks <jason_c_vp@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
> Actually, YOU wrote that about Part Timer.
>
> Your absurd claim made me laugh. And laugh. And laugh. My sides
are still
> sore.

I don't think pettiness is funny. This is a message board about
sharing info on Reno VP. I can't help it if King Fish is just
a "loser" hiding behind the internet and being a coward at the same
time.

I've asked King Fish to defend his position and he either can't or
won't so it speaks volume about Kish Fish's pettiness. I stated my
claim very clearly and I made sure the quality of the information was
independently verified. Again, Siena is a great place to play $1 VP
if you know how to crack the code. Obviously people like King Fish
hasn't or lacks the ability to so.

Let's stay on topic of sharing good information on VP in Reno and
don't be like King Fish who is clearly unhappy with his life.

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I just have 2 questions: what is Sienna's code and are you Rob Singer??

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@...> wrote:

I just have 2 questions: what is Sienna's code and are you Rob

Singer??

1. It's Siena, otherwise you would look in the wrong place.

2. Unless Rob Singer has my vp patent, then no.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...>
wrote:

You made the claim that Part Timer was ignorant about advantage

play in Reno. If you were to go back and look at his posrting
history, you'll find he's very well informed about it.

I stated Parttime was ignorant about AP, not just VP in general.
Please learn to read what I wrote. I continue to stand by my ealier
statement.

In fact, back in Nov, you'll find a post from YOU wondering how to

score a> PSP from the Peppermill (I think) that Part Timer answered
for you. You seem not to have acknowledged that help. How's that
PSP working out for you?

And if you had search further, you would have gotten my update of my
experience at Peppermill. I also share that experience as well (as
in giving back and contributing to this site) because I was and am
still learning the crack peppermill's system. By the way, did you
know the highest monthly bounce back peppermill will send out is
$2,500 a month? As for peppermill, I did get a PSP from the gift
points, but I did win enough to buy over 100 PSPs at retail prices.

As for my happiness, you needn't worry. I make the lion's share

of my lliving from VP, and have for years. I've never been
happier. It just amuses me when someone calls Part Timer ignorant
about Reno VP, since I, and many others, know that's ludicrous.

Again, it's ignorant about the Reno AP environment, not VP in
general. King Fisher, you need to back to school to learn reading
comprehension skills. If you enjoy living on $40K to $60K a year,
more power to you. Just so you know, the average AP makes $25K a
year in Las Vegas. The number is distorted by under-bankrolled AP.

LOL, sounds like you larned him good.

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Again, it's ignorant about the Reno AP environment, not VP in
general. King Fisher, you need to back to school to learn reading
comprehension skills.