My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day period but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
So effectively you won't have a clue.
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My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day period
but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
So effectively you won't have a clue.
Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@...> wrote:
I played to the A+ level and only got $40 a week. I know someone else
who played to the same level as I, and they got $60 a week. I guess
my "misfortune" of winning may have knocked me down. Not knowing what
one will get will likely cause me to play less there.
Hi tom, I got cut even more. You can never be sure what day is included
in which month , a CRAZY system, and I hit a royal and a set in a one
hour play BEFORE dinner one day and left after dinner so I got
punished,lol. 1/9- 2/8 was the last ,month ,go figure ???
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TomSkiLV" <tomskilv@...> wrote:
I played to the A+ level and only got $40 a week. I know someone else
who played to the same level as I, and they got $60 a week. I guess
my "misfortune" of winning may have knocked me down. Not knowing what
one will get will likely cause me to play less there.
tom, I was told the Gold Coast has gone, theo, as well !
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TomSkiLV" <tomskilv@...> wrote:
I played to the A+ level and only got $40 a week. I know someone else
who played to the same level as I, and they got $60 a week. I guess
my "misfortune" of winning may have knocked me down. Not knowing what
one will get will likely cause me to play less there.
I played to A+ level like always and got $15 x 4 this month. Yippie
My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
period but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@...> wrote:
So effectively you won't have a clue.
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>
> My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
period
but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
>
> So effectively you won't have a clue.Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.Don the Dentist
Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
machine?
David
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
> >
> > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
period
> but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> >
> > So effectively you won't have a clue.
>
> Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
>
> Don the Dentist
>Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
machine?David
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Just got my mailer , Had a good day on Double Cash Back day(4 sets of duces in one day on the $2 NSUD)last month, Was getting $25 week, now 0
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> > that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
>period
> > but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> > >
> > > So effectively you won't have a clue.
> >
> > Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> > there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
> >
> > Don the Dentist
> >
>
>Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
>played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
>machine?
>
>David
>
>
>
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>
Can someone explain this ACSC and how it works?
Thanks,
Mike
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> > that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
>period
> > but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> > >
> > > So effectively you won't have a clue.
> >
> > Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> > there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
> >
> > Don the Dentist
> >
>
>Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
>played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
>machine?
>
>David
>
>
>
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Advanced Casino Systems Corporation, a division of Bally Technologies.
--- On Sat, 3/7/09, Michael Aclin <aclinml@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Michael Aclin <aclinml@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Gold Coast - ACSC?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:42 AM
Can someone explain this ACSC and how it works?
Thanks,
Mike
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@.. .> wrote:
They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "dds2124" <dds6@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> > that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
>period
> > but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> > >
> > > So effectively you won't have a clue.
> >
> > Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> > there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
> >
> > Don the Dentist
> >
>
>Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
>played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
>machine?
>
>David
>
>
>
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There are a very few slot tracking systems used in the US. IGT owns Advantage (originally called ACRES), Aristocrat owns Oasis, Bally owns SDS and ACSC. There is 1 other system used in a few Indian casinos.
These systems track all the activity of the machines, including accounting and player tracking (among other things). There is little difference to the players except that I am reliably informed (although haven't seen it myself) that the newest release of Oasis can tell which game a player is playing in a MG/MD machine. Also, ACSC and the modified version of ACRES that Station uses give old-fashioned non-windows character based screens to the players' club and slows their productivity.
At 07:42 AM 3/7/2009, you wrote:
Can someone explain this ACSC and how it works?
Thanks,
Mike--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
>
> At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > > > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> > > that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
> >period
> > > but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> > > >
> > > > So effectively you won't have a clue.
> > >
> > > Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> > > there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
> > >
> > > Don the Dentist
> > >
> >
> >Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
> >played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
> >machine?
> >
> >David
> >
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Thanks, Bill. I didn't know any of that.
So, if playing on an IGT video poker machine, Your personnel theo on that machine would be the value set by 'Advantage' for the average of all VP games on that particular machine?
Does that mean, if playing Jacks or Better on a MG machine that has 10/7 Double Bonus on it, your theo loss would be less than if you played on a MG machine that has JOB as it's best game?
Thanks,
Mike
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
There are a very few slot tracking systems used in the US. IGT owns
Advantage (originally called ACRES), Aristocrat owns Oasis, Bally
owns SDS and ACSC. There is 1 other system used in a few Indian casinos.These systems track all the activity of the machines, including
accounting and player tracking (among other things). There is little
difference to the players except that I am reliably informed
(although haven't seen it myself) that the newest release of Oasis
can tell which game a player is playing in a MG/MD machine. Also,
ACSC and the modified version of ACRES that Station uses give
old-fashioned non-windows character based screens to the players'
club and slows their productivity.At 07:42 AM 3/7/2009, you wrote:
>Can someone explain this ACSC and how it works?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
> >
> > They do not have the capability. They use ACSC.
> >
> > At 08:42 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
> > >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My March mailer from Gold Coast was much less than expected.
> > > > > Just spoke to Terri, the Gold Coast club manager.who informed me
> > > > that mailers are no longer based on coin in for the last 30 day
> > >period
> > > > but on type of machine, theoretical, win/loss, time, etc, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > So effectively you won't have a clue.
> > > >
> > > > Mine was much less as well. I was going to ask the next time I played
> > > > there...but this explains it, as 99% of my play is on the NSUD.
> > > >
> > > > Don the Dentist
> > > >
> > >
> > >Does anyone know if they have the capacity to determine which game you
> > >played on a mg/md machine, or is theo based on the average for the
> > >machine?
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >
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Probably, but not certainly. There are a couple of different ways they can calculate the average theoretical win on a given game. It depends on how sophisticated the management and analysts are. But the whole industry is still very primitive when it comes to MG/MD machines.
Bill
At 08:22 AM 3/8/2009, you wrote:
Thanks, Bill. I didn't know any of that.
So, if playing on an IGT video poker machine, Your personnel theo on that machine would be the value set by 'Advantage' for the average of all VP games on that particular machine?
Does that mean, if playing Jacks or Better on a MG machine that has 10/7 Double Bonus on it, your theo loss would be less than if you played on a MG machine that has JOB as it's best game?
Thanks,
Mike