Well, ever since the MS elimination of points on FP VP and [IMO] the skimpy points on less than FP VP, this board has been very quiet.
Now that I'm down to Players' Club from Sag, I started playing even more at FW, with their several FP games and better points [than
MS] for coin in. I'm not one to trek down to AC anymore, nor to do regular LV junkets.
Just wondering....what are you other formerly loyal MS players doing?
I've moved all my action to Foxwoods. Although it is a lot of coin-in for points (340) at least you earn points on full-pay machines, and on all the rest as well. Privileges are similar to what used to be at MS, and the lounges are actually much more civilized. The shopping is not as good, but you don't have as many points to spend either ; )
The hosts are friendlier (especially compared to the A-Hole I was forced to deal with at MS), rooms are available, and there are more giveaways. The FSP is better than I had at MS, even before the August Massacre. My only stops at MS lately have been when I'm headed to Foxwoods, and I can pick up FSP or comps MS is still foolishly sending me.
Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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From: tedsohonyay <Freedom_Fighter56@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:02 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] The sound of crickets....Well, ever since the MS elimination of points on FP VP and [IMO] the skimpy points on less than FP VP, this board has been very quiet.
Now that I'm down to Players' Club from Sag, I started playing even more at FW, with their several FP games and better points [than
MS] for coin in. I'm not one to trek down to AC anymore, nor to do regular LV junkets.Just wondering....what are you other formerly loyal MS players doing?
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Your "August Massacre" brings back memories. Other thread comments spark aging brain cells. Remember:
1) People banging away at two machines. Big time arguments.
2) Bragging in the lounge about how many points racked up.
3) Stores being shut down from the gold and Rolex shady deals.
4) Comp whores nagging hosts for the world.
Someone on this board quoted mgmt - "Mohegan know longer wants us."
You don't have to wonder why.
Keep a low profile.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF wrote:
I've moved all my action to Foxwoods. Although it is a lot of coin-in for points (340) at least you earn points on full-pay machines, and on all the rest as well. Privileges are similar to what used to be at MS, and the lounges are actually much more civilized. The shopping is not as good, but you don't have as many points to spend either ; )
The hosts are friendlier (especially compared to the A-Hole I was forced to deal with at MS), rooms are available, and there are more giveaways. The FSP is better than I had at MS, even before the August Massacre. My only stops at MS lately have been when I'm headed to Foxwoods, and I can pick up FSP or comps MS is still foolishly sending me.
Certainly the game is rigged. Donât let that stop you; if you donât bet, you canât win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein>________________________________
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>To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:02 AM
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>Well, ever since the MS elimination of points on FP VP and [IMO] the skimpy points on less than FP VP, this board has been very quiet.
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>Now that I'm down to Players' Club from Sag, I started playing even more at FW, with their several FP games and better points [than
>MS] for coin in. I'm not one to trek down to AC anymore, nor to do regular LV junkets.
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>Just wondering....what are you other formerly loyal MS players doing?
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In my opinion, you do have to wonder why.
Mohegan offered a fair deal and nothing more. Good VP, reasonable comps, points etc. Nothing different than what you can get from many other Casinos. They hired some number crunchers with the objective improving the bottom line who drove many players to Foxwoods, A/C or to not play at all.
After moving in March, I returned to New England for the holidays and wanted to play the pick-em at Mohegan. Since I am a winner and my wife a 'loser', she was able to get a comped Sky Suite and lounge access. While I enjoyed being back there is something so distasteful about risking thousands of dollars of your money and then having to pay for a hamburger or breakfast or whatever. This is something that someone who is not a player will never understand and why if I still lived in New England why I would very rarely play at Mohegan.
Tried Foxwoods. They have improved their VP including putting 9/6 DDB on their bartops. Paid for the room but earned enough points to cover the room, all meals, purchases from the gift shop, gas and I still have points left. In my opinion it is hard to see why anyone would go to Mohegan when Foxwoods is offering a much better deal.
Joel
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From: Dave
Your "August Massacre" brings back memories. Other thread comments spark aging brain cells. Remember:
1) People banging away at two machines. Big time arguments.
2) Bragging in the lounge about how many points racked up.
3) Stores being shut down from the gold and Rolex shady deals.
4) Comp whores nagging hosts for the world.
Someone on this board quoted mgmt - "Mohegan know longer wants us."
You don't have to wonder why.
Keep a low profile.
Joel,
You are 100% correct in your assessments. Mohegan USED to be a fair deal in terms of benefits given back to their players. But the oft-documented invasion of the bean counters made it a VP wasteland. Combined with the total incompetence of my assigned host, it was easy to make the switch over to Foxwoods.
Although Foxwoods increased the required coin-in to earn a point, their policies have not been totally anti-player. The reduction of max coin needed to get full RF's on DDB from 10 or 25 to 5 was a very welcome and positive change. They have increased the number of VP machines, and actually upgraded to new, more ergonomic machines. I also like the fact that the earn period was lengthened from every six months to yearly. I can play on my schedule, not theirs. I also find the hosts to be friendly and helpful, and much more proactive in making sure I know about upcoming events. Finally, even the "second-tier" New Year's Eve Party was far and away better than the last Sachem/high Sagamore NYE party I went to at Mohegan.
The only reasons anyone should have for stopping at Mohegan now are to use up existing points, or if you are already headed to Foxwoods, and Mohegan happens to send you some FSP or comps or points that you can use while out there on your visit. Surprisingly, I still get a monthly mailer with some free rooms mid-week, and the same level of FSP I used to get as a Sagamore.
Guru
Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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In my opinion, you do have to wonder why.
Mohegan offered a fair deal and nothing more. Good VP, reasonable comps, points etc. Nothing different than what you can get from many other Casinos. They hired some number crunchers with the objective improving the bottom line who drove many players to Foxwoods, A/C or to not play at all.
After moving in March, I returned to New England for the holidays and wanted to play the pick-em at Mohegan. Since I am a winner and my wife a 'loser', she was able to get a comped Sky Suite and lounge access. While I enjoyed being back there is something so distasteful about risking thousands of dollars of your money and then having to pay for a hamburger or breakfast or whatever. This is something that someone who is not a player will never understand and why if I still lived in New England why I would very rarely play at Mohegan.
Tried Foxwoods. They have improved their VP including putting 9/6 DDB on their bartops. Paid for the room but earned enough points to cover the room, all meals, purchases from the gift shop, gas and I still have points left. In my opinion it is hard to see why anyone would go to Mohegan when Foxwoods is offering a much better deal.
Joel
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VPFree2 also lists FW as having some 9/6 JOB. Is this true ?
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF wrote:
Joel,
Although Foxwoods increased the required coin-in to earn a point, their policies have not been totally anti-player. The reduction of max coin needed to get full RF's on DDB from 10 or 25 to 5 was a very welcome and positive change. They have increased the number of VP machines, and actually upgraded to new, more ergonomic machines.