> Here's the corner you've painted yourself into--which is a
familiar site. You say 'entire financial portfilio' yet you must be
able to correlate each casino record with an exact matching deposit--
and you must be able to prove the money came from vp wins. How do you
propose to do that?
I don't propose to do that. You're the one who claims I have lost.
I'm was willing to let you see for yourself. You've backed down.
If you can't do the above then yes, all you'll be doing is letting me
see for myself that you have lost. You finally got it right.
Now, I wonder why he thinks some extra money would come into play?
Does anyone else get the feeling he has some experience here?
> > > Anyone can regularly dump other funds into their account for
> > whatever reason they choose to. For future purposes so you
don't embarrass yourself again, when you say you can 'prove' you have
won, make sure you actually can do that without scrambling around at
the 11th hour making up excuses and trying to save face by having
others 'trust' you.
> > > Here's what I will always require for absolute proof:
> > >
> > > 1. Trackable bank withdrawals to play with, or other
verifiable
> > methods of where and how you obtained the cash. The IRS doe not
> accept "I had the cash in the house" and I don't either.
>
> > It's all there in the bank's transaction history ONLINE.
>
> OK. You can prove that the money you're playing with TODAY came
out
> of X withdrawal, and what you claimed to have won TODAY is in Y
> deposit.
That's not the way I do it. Over the last winter you will see ONE
withdrawl when I got to LV. You will see several deposits along the
way. Since I deal in smaller denoms I have no reason to run to the
bank every day.
I understand that. That's exactly the resson for accurate/truthful
and detailed casino records.
> > > 2. Contemporaneous gambling records of each casino visit. If
you have been audited for the period and the IRS accepts this
record as complete and accurate, we're in business. If not, you must
come up with another method to prove the money said won gambling was
in fact won playing video poker.
>
> > These are pretty much worthless since they can be built to say
> > anything you want them to say. That said, I have 'em.
>
> As a vp player who files as a professional gambler, I am inclined
to look the other way when someone says something like that. You
> probably haven't yet been audited (I can do something about that
too) but if you say they are worthless because you lie about them
or manipulate them, then I have to believe you and you'll have to
come up with another method of proving that you won the deposited
money playing vp.
They are worthless because they are simply a written record where
anyone could lie. You should also note that you and IRS are looking
for the exact opposite claims. You think I claim to many wins while
the IRS is looking for unreported wins.
Normal, truthful and respectable people DON'T lie on their income.
You win $45 today then you have to report it. If you're trying to
sell me that you won the money playing video poker then it would also
have to be reported as income to the IRS. If you don't, then I'd have
no official choice but to take it as you did not win as you claimed
to have done.
> > > 3. Re-deposits exactly correlating to the time & amount
claimed won or lost.
> >
> > Time is meaningless. The only thing that matters is for all the
> cash deposits to match said winnings.
>
> THAT's what's meaningless. Where'd you really get the money? your
> portfolio isn't absolute in that respect and given that you have
no qualms about lying to the IRS about your play, you'd certainly lie
to me about it.
Actually, my portfolio is almost absolute. However, I can see this
point. I brought up the possibility of unreported income in the
past with your claims so it is certainly an issue.
The 'possibility' is always there---but not with me. You don't file
as a professional gambler and expect to 'get away' with unreported
income. I learned on my first gambling audit in 1999 that if you only
report the W2G wins and expect them to believe you never won less
than $1200 in any visit, they'll get you. they'll also get you for
not showing a withdrawal within a reasonable amount of time of your
casino visits--so your system of a single withdrawal is gonna bite
you down the road. They'll just add in a projected 'win' amount and
add it to your income based on your average track record, and you'd
have no way to dispute it without back-up documentation. That's why
misscrap is worried. She's never told the right ways to do things
because she gets her info from the Queen, who is always looking for
more gambling cash.
> > > 4. Bank statements showing any and all deposits made
throughout the period in question, and a description of each.
> >
> > It's all there in the bank's transaction history ONLINE.
>
> Including descriptions? No. You have to prove what they're for.
The bank deposits only indicates CASH.
Then how can that identify every deposit?
> > > 5. Year-ending 1040 review. W2G's are meaningless because we
all win a lot more than W2G's show.
> >
> > All there. So, you got that $10K?
>
> You really looked a lot better on this before you started
scrambling around trying to make up things to support your false
reporting here.
Is that false wins or losses? You have stated both ...
It's turned into false 'everything' until you factualize SOMETHING.
> Just as in almost everything else you get involved in here, the
more you release information the worse you look. (REASON #1 as to
why the geeks are shut down and removed by the Program Manager when
the real discussions begin). At first you had 60% credibility. Now
it's 40%. I require 100%. Keep trying.
I think this has gone far enough. I did all this so everyone could
see exactly WHY it is impossible for Robbie to ever PROVE his
claimed results. The issue of outside cash will always exist and
there is NO way to prove that anyone's claims are valid. For example,
Robbie could restore old cars and sell them for cash. Use that money
to supplement his claims and no one would be the wiser. It was very
satisfying to see Robbie spell out exactly why his own claims are
worthless.
100% false. As a professional gambler I keep a GAMBLING ONLY account
that has all transactions only for my gambling trips, posted and
dated, and my casino and IRS records all correlate EXACTLY to my bank
account statement for gaming. There's nothing else in there except
some withdrawals of the profits and interest for buying things when
there's no trips involved. I've even had the 5-year audit to verify
everything -- all of which is why I put up a huge amount against the
fool radio jock. Our normal joint account is used only for bills and
expenses, never is cash taken out, and the deposits are all from my
wife's work--except when we bought the house recently when I made
deposits from my brokerage account. Everything's very precise, clear,
and traceable. And anyone would lose to me if they bet me on my
proof. And when I offerred to pay for the Nevada Arbitrator who's
decision would be final and binding, that's like a final nail in the
coffin of any fool that would bet me. That's why the jock backed off
and that's why you did.
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