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The Real CONs about 'Full-Time' VP Players

#1

Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL CONs
about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:

1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club card and
playing for special double points or whatever while losing your money
on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free rooms,
meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can think of no
other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a lunch
buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.

2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and actually
make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for as many
hands as possible. It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money flow
situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst waiting for
a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000 hands
depending on the game. Quiz question - how many hands would it take
before you would even know if something was amiss with the Royal
Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million hands ). Who
wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of it, that
the machines didn't really work the way you thought they would???

Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as well as
the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the meantime.
Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you are
basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the casinos
your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you get the
Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back. Imagine
what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were changed to
negative games overnight from the casinos - so much for 'Advantage
Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle at that
point. Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of hours
banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.

3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly admit to
losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is mentioned
at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while playing
every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to make
money?

4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY MY
BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN, JUST
BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED. Gee, wonder who
benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an ADDICTION
anyone? One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
the same thing expecting different results. Most people would make
more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing $30,000
in the effort.

5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play', does
anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to sit for
8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer screen,
punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel, anyone?),
inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food or even
skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks, druggies,
con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree gamblers, and
drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if everything
goes PERFECTLY? Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.

6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las Vegas just
to play the VP machines. Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat' the
casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk, negative
consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.

So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional part-
time entertainment???

#2

You DO realize that you are taking a spike and jabbing little dicky
right thru the heart with this post..... He will come back with the
rath of a nerd in heat! You have overloaded him with so much truth
here that he'll be hyperventilating while he rabidly types his "just
setting the record straight" neurotic reply. I LOVE IT!!

Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL CONs
about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:

1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club card and
playing for special double points or whatever while losing your

money

on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free rooms,
meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can think of

no

other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a lunch
buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.

2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and

actually

make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for as

many

hands as possible. It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money flow
situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst waiting

for

a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000 hands
depending on the game. Quiz question - how many hands would it

take

before you would even know if something was amiss with the Royal
Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million hands ).

Who

wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of it,

that

the machines didn't really work the way you thought they would???

Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as well as
the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the

meantime.

Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you are
basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the

casinos

your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you get the
Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back. Imagine
what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were changed

to

negative games overnight from the casinos - so much for 'Advantage
Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle at that
point. Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of hours
banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.

3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly admit to
losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is

mentioned

at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while playing
every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to make
money?

4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY MY
BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN, JUST
BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED. Gee, wonder who
benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an ADDICTION
anyone? One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep

doing

the same thing expecting different results. Most people would

make

more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing

$30,000

in the effort.

5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play', does
anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to sit

for

8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer screen,
punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel, anyone?),
inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food or even
skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks, druggies,
con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree gamblers,

and

drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if everything
goes PERFECTLY? Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.

6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las Vegas

just

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

to play the VP machines. Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat' the
casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk, negative
consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.

So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional part-
time entertainment???

#3

Ahhh, the shill is back. Let's see what words of wisdom he has to
offer this time ...

Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL CONs
about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:

Could the lies be far behind?

1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club card and
playing for special double points or whatever while losing your

money

on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free rooms,
meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can think of

no

other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a lunch
buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.

Actually, the business of points and promotions is due to competition
with other casinos for your gambling dollar. How gamblers use or
abuse these benefits has nothing to do with the strategy they play.

2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and

actually

make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for as

many

hands as possible.

There is no such thing as the long term. There are ONLY probabilities
over time. The only possible CON is to deny this proven MATHEMATICAL
FACT. This is a typical Singer ploy. Deny proven fact and watch the
suckers bite.

It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money flow
situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst waiting

for

a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000 hands
depending on the game.

Did you have a point? PS. With FPDW it's 99%.

Quiz question - how many hands would it take
before you would even know if something was amiss with the Royal
Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million hands ).

Who

wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of it,

that

the machines didn't really work the way you thought they would???

Do you have a choice? Nope. There is no free lunch. You want to play
VP, you play the machines. Your results will average out over time to
your accuracy on the games you play. There is nothing in AP that
requires anyone to play millions of hands. That is one of Singer's
lies.

Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as well as
the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the meantime.

Still waiting for that point ...
  

Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you are
basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the

casinos

your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you get the
Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back.

Or ... some people actually get these hands better than expected. It
works both ways. Anyone who ONLY points out the negative
possibilities is not to be trusted.

Imagine
what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were changed

to

negative games overnight from the casinos - so much for 'Advantage
Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle at that
point.

And, what if an asteriod crashes into your house. The odds of the
latter are probably better. Or, what if the stock market crashed
again? Do I need to go on?

Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of hours
banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.

And, what if you are lucky at the RFs? Are you going somewhere with
this or are you really just a non-stop pessimist?

3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly admit to
losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is

mentioned

at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while playing
every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to make
money?

No one said it was an easy way to make money. This is the kind of
statement that Singer attributes to the gurus, but it's just another
lie. How could Rob sell his CON without lying about the facts?

4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY MY
BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN, JUST
BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED.

No, another statement Singer attributes to the gurus ... and another
lie. Don't you ever cross reference your facts?

Gee, wonder who
benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an ADDICTION
anyone?

No, addicition has already been covered here. Did you miss the part
about most victims being genetically predisposed? If you want to
avoid the potential for addiction then you should be preaching
complete abstinence ... is that what you are doing?

One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
the same thing expecting different results. Most people would

make

more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing

$30,000

in the effort.

Do you have a point? None of the gurus, or anyone else, is trying to
convince anyone to start gambling. People have ALREADY made that
choice. AP simply gives them a way to lose less or win. It's really
quite simple.

5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play', does
anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to sit

for

8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer screen,

Now, this is completely Singerist. No one has to play 8-12 hours a
day to be an APer. You asserted a lie and I bet you will follow it
with nonsense based on that lie..

punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel, anyone?),
inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food or even
skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks, druggies,
con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree gamblers,

and

drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if everything
goes PERFECTLY?

Just as I called. PS. People do all these things anyway when they
gamble. It has nothing to do with AP.

Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.

What's stopping you? Just make sure you don't stop along the way and
eat any unhealthy food, or skip any meals or ... you get the picture.

6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las Vegas

just

to play the VP machines.

Who? Name one. I know many recreational gamblers and they NEVER
thought they'd get rich playing VP.

Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat' the
casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk, negative
consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.

Hmmmm. Where have we heard these words before? However, it still has
nothing to do with AP. The vast majority of people that come to LV
don't even play VP.

So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional part-
time entertainment???

If the latter were possible it would be nice. However, this is just a
fairy tale. You either gamble or you don't. The pluses and minuses of
casino play are the same no matter what system you use. If anyone
wants to minimize the time the play ... then do it. If they want to
play short sessions ... then do it (I do). Just don't think that any
of this changes the underlying mathematical principles. Your results
WILL approach the mathematical average of the games you play and the
way you play ... OVER TIME.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

#4

I think I'll re-insert the statement that hurt little dicky so much
he just couldn't STAND it!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Here it is again!! (Oh,
just IMAGINE the pain and agony this nerd is sufferring thru right
now....just imagine!).

You DO realize that you are taking a spike and jabbing little dicky
right thru the heart with this post..... He will come back with the
rath of a nerd in heat! You have overloaded him with so much truth
here that he'll be hyperventilating while he rabidly types his "just
setting the record straight" neurotic reply. I LOVE IT!!

OK, now onto his neurosis!

Ahhh, the shill is back. Let's see what words of wisdom he has to
offer this time ...

>
> Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL CONs
> about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:

Could the lies be far behind?

>
>
> 1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club card

and

> playing for special double points or whatever while losing your
money
> on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free

rooms,

> meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can think

of

no
> other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a

lunch

> buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.

Actually, the business of points and promotions is due to

competition

with other casinos for your gambling dollar. How gamblers use or
abuse these benefits has nothing to do with the strategy they play.

>
>
> 2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and
actually
> make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for as
many
> hands as possible.

There is no such thing as the long term. There are ONLY

probabilities

over time. The only possible CON is to deny this proven

MATHEMATICAL

FACT. This is a typical Singer ploy. Deny proven fact and watch the
suckers bite.

> It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
> games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money flow
> situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst waiting
for
> a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000

hands

> depending on the game.

Did you have a point? PS. With FPDW it's 99%.

> Quiz question - how many hands would it take
> before you would even know if something was amiss with the Royal
> Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million hands ).
Who
> wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of it,
that
> the machines didn't really work the way you thought they would???

Do you have a choice? Nope. There is no free lunch. You want to

play

VP, you play the machines. Your results will average out over time

to

your accuracy on the games you play. There is nothing in AP that
requires anyone to play millions of hands. That is one of Singer's
lies.

>
> Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as well

as

> the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the

meantime.

Still waiting for that point ...
  
> Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you are
> basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the
casinos
> your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you get

the

> Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back.

Or ... some people actually get these hands better than expected.

It

works both ways. Anyone who ONLY points out the negative
possibilities is not to be trusted.

> Imagine
> what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were changed
to
> negative games overnight from the casinos - so much

for 'Advantage

> Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle at

that

> point.

And, what if an asteriod crashes into your house. The odds of the
latter are probably better. Or, what if the stock market crashed
again? Do I need to go on?

> Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
> for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of hours
> banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.

And, what if you are lucky at the RFs? Are you going somewhere with
this or are you really just a non-stop pessimist?

>
>
> 3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly admit to
> losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is
mentioned
> at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while playing
> every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to make
> money?

No one said it was an easy way to make money. This is the kind of
statement that Singer attributes to the gurus, but it's just

another

lie. How could Rob sell his CON without lying about the facts?

>
>
> 4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY MY
> BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN, JUST
> BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED.

No, another statement Singer attributes to the gurus ... and

another

lie. Don't you ever cross reference your facts?

> Gee, wonder who
> benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an ADDICTION
> anyone?

No, addicition has already been covered here. Did you miss the part
about most victims being genetically predisposed? If you want to
avoid the potential for addiction then you should be preaching
complete abstinence ... is that what you are doing?

> One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
> the same thing expecting different results. Most people would
make
> more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
> supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing
$30,000
> in the effort.

Do you have a point? None of the gurus, or anyone else, is trying

to

convince anyone to start gambling. People have ALREADY made that
choice. AP simply gives them a way to lose less or win. It's really
quite simple.

>
>
> 5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play', does
> anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to sit
for
> 8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer screen,

Now, this is completely Singerist. No one has to play 8-12 hours a
day to be an APer. You asserted a lie and I bet you will follow it
with nonsense based on that lie..

> punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel, anyone?),
> inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food or

even

> skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks,

druggies,

> con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree gamblers,
and
> drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if

everything

> goes PERFECTLY?

Just as I called. PS. People do all these things anyway when they
gamble. It has nothing to do with AP.

> Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.

What's stopping you? Just make sure you don't stop along the way

and

eat any unhealthy food, or skip any meals or ... you get the

picture.

> 6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las Vegas
just
> to play the VP machines.

Who? Name one. I know many recreational gamblers and they NEVER
thought they'd get rich playing VP.

> Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
> bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
> cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat' the
> casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk,

negative

> consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.

Hmmmm. Where have we heard these words before? However, it still

has

nothing to do with AP. The vast majority of people that come to LV
don't even play VP.

>
> So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
> term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
> STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
> profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional

part-

> time entertainment???

If the latter were possible it would be nice. However, this is just

a

fairy tale. You either gamble or you don't. The pluses and minuses

of

casino play are the same no matter what system you use. If anyone
wants to minimize the time the play ... then do it. If they want to
play short sessions ... then do it (I do). Just don't think that

any

of this changes the underlying mathematical principles. Your

results

WILL approach the mathematical average of the games you play and

the

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@> wrote:
way you play ... OVER TIME.

#5

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

I think I'll re-insert the statement that hurt little dicky so much
he just couldn't STAND it!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Here it is again!! (Oh,
just IMAGINE the pain and agony this nerd is sufferring thru right
now....just imagine!).

LMAO. Trying to convince yourself? ... AGAIN. Sorry, even you know
better. This was an obvious attempt to keep me from responding to the
idiotic lies and assertions by opt-shill. Once again, you failed
miserably.

You DO realize that you are taking a spike and jabbing little dicky
right thru the heart with this post..... He will come back with the
rath of a nerd in heat! You have overloaded him with so much truth
here that he'll be hyperventilating while he rabidly types his "just
setting the record straight" neurotic reply. I LOVE IT!!

I see you couldn't come up with anything to counter my obvious
truths. Just repeating your old weak responses does nothing but make
you look foolish. How sweet it is ...

OK, now onto his neurosis!

I'll leave the TRUTH here for another round. Once again you have
nothing but hollow words we've all heard before, while I provide the
obvious truth for all to see. How sweet it is ...

>
> Ahhh, the shill is back. Let's see what words of wisdom he has to
> offer this time ...
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@>

wrote:

> >
> > Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL CONs
> > about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:
>
> Could the lies be far behind?
>
> >
> >
> > 1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club card
and
> > playing for special double points or whatever while losing your
> money
> > on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free
rooms,
> > meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can think
of
> no
> > other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a
lunch
> > buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.
>
> Actually, the business of points and promotions is due to
competition
> with other casinos for your gambling dollar. How gamblers use or
> abuse these benefits has nothing to do with the strategy they

play.

>
> >
> >
> > 2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and
> actually
> > make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for

as

> many
> > hands as possible.
>
> There is no such thing as the long term. There are ONLY
probabilities
> over time. The only possible CON is to deny this proven
MATHEMATICAL
> FACT. This is a typical Singer ploy. Deny proven fact and watch

the

> suckers bite.
>
> > It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
> > games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money flow
> > situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst

waiting

> for
> > a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000
hands
> > depending on the game.
>
> Did you have a point? PS. With FPDW it's 99%.
>
> > Quiz question - how many hands would it take
> > before you would even know if something was amiss with the

Royal

> > Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million

hands ).

> Who
> > wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of it,
> that
> > the machines didn't really work the way you thought they

would???

>
> Do you have a choice? Nope. There is no free lunch. You want to
play
> VP, you play the machines. Your results will average out over

time

to
> your accuracy on the games you play. There is nothing in AP that
> requires anyone to play millions of hands. That is one of

Singer's

> lies.
>
> >
> > Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as well
as
> > the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the
meantime.
>
> Still waiting for that point ...
>
> > Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you

are

> > basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the
> casinos
> > your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you get
the
> > Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back.
>
> Or ... some people actually get these hands better than expected.
It
> works both ways. Anyone who ONLY points out the negative
> possibilities is not to be trusted.
>
> > Imagine
> > what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were

changed

> to
> > negative games overnight from the casinos - so much
for 'Advantage
> > Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle at
that
> > point.
>
> And, what if an asteriod crashes into your house. The odds of the
> latter are probably better. Or, what if the stock market crashed
> again? Do I need to go on?
>
> > Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
> > for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of hours
> > banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.
>
> And, what if you are lucky at the RFs? Are you going somewhere

with

> this or are you really just a non-stop pessimist?
>
> >
> >
> > 3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly admit

to

> > losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is
> mentioned
> > at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while

playing

> > every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to

make

> > money?
>
> No one said it was an easy way to make money. This is the kind of
> statement that Singer attributes to the gurus, but it's just
another
> lie. How could Rob sell his CON without lying about the facts?
>
> >
> >
> > 4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY MY
> > BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN,

JUST

> > BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED.
>
> No, another statement Singer attributes to the gurus ... and
another
> lie. Don't you ever cross reference your facts?
>
> > Gee, wonder who
> > benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an

ADDICTION

> > anyone?
>
> No, addicition has already been covered here. Did you miss the

part

> about most victims being genetically predisposed? If you want to
> avoid the potential for addiction then you should be preaching
> complete abstinence ... is that what you are doing?
>
> > One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
> > the same thing expecting different results. Most people would
> make
> > more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
> > supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing
> $30,000
> > in the effort.
>
> Do you have a point? None of the gurus, or anyone else, is trying
to
> convince anyone to start gambling. People have ALREADY made that
> choice. AP simply gives them a way to lose less or win. It's

really

> quite simple.
>
> >
> >
> > 5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play',

does

> > anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to

sit

> for
> > 8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer

screen,

>
> Now, this is completely Singerist. No one has to play 8-12 hours

a

> day to be an APer. You asserted a lie and I bet you will follow

it

> with nonsense based on that lie..
>
> > punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel, anyone?),
> > inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food or
even
> > skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks,
druggies,
> > con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree

gamblers,

> and
> > drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if
everything
> > goes PERFECTLY?
>
> Just as I called. PS. People do all these things anyway when they
> gamble. It has nothing to do with AP.
>
> > Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.
>
> What's stopping you? Just make sure you don't stop along the way
and
> eat any unhealthy food, or skip any meals or ... you get the
picture.
>
> > 6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las

Vegas

> just
> > to play the VP machines.
>
> Who? Name one. I know many recreational gamblers and they NEVER
> thought they'd get rich playing VP.
>
> > Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
> > bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
> > cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat'

the

> > casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk,
negative
> > consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.
>
> Hmmmm. Where have we heard these words before? However, it still
has
> nothing to do with AP. The vast majority of people that come to

LV

> don't even play VP.
>
> >
> > So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
> > term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
> > STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
> > profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional
part-
> > time entertainment???
>
> If the latter were possible it would be nice. However, this is

just

a
> fairy tale. You either gamble or you don't. The pluses and

minuses

of
> casino play are the same no matter what system you use. If anyone
> wants to minimize the time the play ... then do it. If they want

to

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:
> play short sessions ... then do it (I do). Just don't think that
any
> of this changes the underlying mathematical principles. Your
results
> WILL approach the mathematical average of the games you play and
the
> way you play ... OVER TIME.
>

#6

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
wrote:
>
> I think I'll re-insert the statement that hurt little dicky so

much

> he just couldn't STAND it!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Here it is again!!

(Oh,

> just IMAGINE the pain and agony this nerd is sufferring thru

right

> now....just imagine!).

LMAO. Trying to convince yourself? ... AGAIN. Sorry, even you know
better. This was an obvious attempt to keep me from responding to

the

idiotic lies and assertions by opt-shill. Once again, you failed
miserably.

No, it's purpose was to extract exactly the foolishness you spouted!

> You DO realize that you are taking a spike and jabbing little

dicky

> right thru the heart with this post..... He will come back with

the

> rath of a nerd in heat! You have overloaded him with so much truth
> here that he'll be hyperventilating while he rabidly types

his "just

> setting the record straight" neurotic reply. I LOVE IT!!

I see you couldn't come up with anything to counter my obvious
truths. Just repeating your old weak responses does nothing but

make

you look foolish. How sweet it is ...

>
>
> OK, now onto his neurosis!

I'll leave the TRUTH here for another round. Once again you have
nothing but hollow words we've all heard before, while I provide

the

obvious truth for all to see. How sweet it is ...

>
> >
> > Ahhh, the shill is back. Let's see what words of wisdom he has

to

> > offer this time ...
> >
> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL

CONs

> > > about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:
> >
> > Could the lies be far behind?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club

card

> and
> > > playing for special double points or whatever while losing

your

> > money
> > > on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free
> rooms,
> > > meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can

think

> of
> > no
> > > other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for a
> lunch
> > > buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.
> >
> > Actually, the business of points and promotions is due to
> competition
> > with other casinos for your gambling dollar. How gamblers use

or

> > abuse these benefits has nothing to do with the strategy they
play.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and
> > actually
> > > make money on the effort by playing the same denomination for
as
> > many
> > > hands as possible.
> >
> > There is no such thing as the long term. There are ONLY
> probabilities
> > over time. The only possible CON is to deny this proven
> MATHEMATICAL
> > FACT. This is a typical Singer ploy. Deny proven fact and watch
the
> > suckers bite.
> >
> > > It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
> > > games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money

flow

> > > situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst
waiting
> > for
> > > a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to 70,000
> hands
> > > depending on the game.
> >
> > Did you have a point? PS. With FPDW it's 99%.
> >
> > > Quiz question - how many hands would it take
> > > before you would even know if something was amiss with the
Royal
> > > Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million
hands ).
> > Who
> > > wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of

it,

> > that
> > > the machines didn't really work the way you thought they
would???
> >
> > Do you have a choice? Nope. There is no free lunch. You want to
> play
> > VP, you play the machines. Your results will average out over
time
> to
> > your accuracy on the games you play. There is nothing in AP

that

> > requires anyone to play millions of hands. That is one of
Singer's
> > lies.
> >
> > >
> > > Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as

well

> as
> > > the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the
> meantime.
> >
> > Still waiting for that point ...
> >
> > > Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule, you
are
> > > basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand the
> > casinos
> > > your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you

get

> the
> > > Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back.
> >
> > Or ... some people actually get these hands better than

expected.

> It
> > works both ways. Anyone who ONLY points out the negative
> > possibilities is not to be trusted.
> >
> > > Imagine
> > > what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were
changed
> > to
> > > negative games overnight from the casinos - so much
> for 'Advantage
> > > Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle

at

> that
> > > point.
> >
> > And, what if an asteriod crashes into your house. The odds of

the

> > latter are probably better. Or, what if the stock market

crashed

> > again? Do I need to go on?
> >
> > > Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
> > > for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of

hours

> > > banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.
> >
> > And, what if you are lucky at the RFs? Are you going somewhere
with
> > this or are you really just a non-stop pessimist?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly

admit

to
> > > losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is
> > mentioned
> > > at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while
playing
> > > every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way' to
make
> > > money?
> >
> > No one said it was an easy way to make money. This is the kind

of

> > statement that Singer attributes to the gurus, but it's just
> another
> > lie. How could Rob sell his CON without lying about the facts?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY

MY

> > > BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-IN,
JUST
> > > BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED.
> >
> > No, another statement Singer attributes to the gurus ... and
> another
> > lie. Don't you ever cross reference your facts?
> >
> > > Gee, wonder who
> > > benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an
ADDICTION
> > > anyone?
> >
> > No, addicition has already been covered here. Did you miss the
part
> > about most victims being genetically predisposed? If you want

to

> > avoid the potential for addiction then you should be preaching
> > complete abstinence ... is that what you are doing?
> >
> > > One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
> > > the same thing expecting different results. Most people

would

> > make
> > > more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
> > > supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of losing
> > $30,000
> > > in the effort.
> >
> > Do you have a point? None of the gurus, or anyone else, is

trying

> to
> > convince anyone to start gambling. People have ALREADY made

that

> > choice. AP simply gives them a way to lose less or win. It's
really
> > quite simple.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > 5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage Play',
does
> > > anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time to
sit
> > for
> > > 8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer
screen,
> >
> > Now, this is completely Singerist. No one has to play 8-12

hours

a
> > day to be an APer. You asserted a lie and I bet you will follow
it
> > with nonsense based on that lie..
> >
> > > punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel,

anyone?),

> > > inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food

or

> even
> > > skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks,
> druggies,
> > > con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree
gamblers,
> > and
> > > drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if
> everything
> > > goes PERFECTLY?
> >
> > Just as I called. PS. People do all these things anyway when

they

> > gamble. It has nothing to do with AP.
> >
> > > Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.
> >
> > What's stopping you? Just make sure you don't stop along the

way

> and
> > eat any unhealthy food, or skip any meals or ... you get the
> picture.
> >
> > > 6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las
Vegas
> > just
> > > to play the VP machines.
> >
> > Who? Name one. I know many recreational gamblers and they NEVER
> > thought they'd get rich playing VP.
> >
> > > Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
> > > bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in the
> > > cesspool of morality on the idea that you will someday 'beat'
the
> > > casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk,
> negative
> > > consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.
> >
> > Hmmmm. Where have we heard these words before? However, it

still

> has
> > nothing to do with AP. The vast majority of people that come to
LV
> > don't even play VP.
> >
> > >
> > > So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this long-
> > > term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses FREE
> > > STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances of
> > > profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an occasional
> part-
> > > time entertainment???
> >
> > If the latter were possible it would be nice. However, this is
just
> a
> > fairy tale. You either gamble or you don't. The pluses and
minuses
> of
> > casino play are the same no matter what system you use. If

anyone

> > wants to minimize the time the play ... then do it. If they

want

to
> > play short sessions ... then do it (I do). Just don't think

that

> any
> > of this changes the underlying mathematical principles. Your
> results
> > WILL approach the mathematical average of the games you play

and

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:
> the
> > way you play ... OVER TIME.
> >
>

#7

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

> > I think I'll re-insert the statement that hurt little dicky so
much
> > he just couldn't STAND it!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Here it is again!!
(Oh,
> > just IMAGINE the pain and agony this nerd is sufferring thru
right
> > now....just imagine!).
>
> LMAO. Trying to convince yourself? ... AGAIN. Sorry, even you

know

> better. This was an obvious attempt to keep me from responding to
the
> idiotic lies and assertions by opt-shill. Once again, you failed
> miserably.

No, it's purpose was to extract exactly the foolishness you spouted!

Sure it was ... you always like to see me demonstrate your ideas are
worthless ... no problem, I always will.

> > You DO realize that you are taking a spike and jabbing little
dicky
> > right thru the heart with this post..... He will come back with
the
> > rath of a nerd in heat! You have overloaded him with so much

truth

> > here that he'll be hyperventilating while he rabidly types
his "just
> > setting the record straight" neurotic reply. I LOVE IT!!
>
> I see you couldn't come up with anything to counter my obvious
> truths. Just repeating your old weak responses does nothing but
make
> you look foolish. How sweet it is ...
>
> >
> >
> > OK, now onto his neurosis!
>
> I'll leave the TRUTH here for another round. Once again you have
> nothing but hollow words we've all heard before, while I provide
the
> obvious truth for all to see. How sweet it is ...
>
> >
> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@>

wrote:

> > >
> > > Ahhh, the shill is back. Let's see what words of wisdom he

has

to
> > > offer this time ...
> > >
> > > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Since we seem to be on the subject, let's examine the REAL
CONs
> > > > about 'Full-Time' Video Poker players:
> > >
> > > Could the lies be far behind?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Casinos convincing VP players that using the slot club
card
> > and
> > > > playing for special double points or whatever while losing
your
> > > money
> > > > on VP is a good move because you are getting comps for free
> > rooms,
> > > > meals, shows, etc. - They do this one real well - I can
think
> > of
> > > no
> > > > other way they could get people to willingly spend $500 for

a

> > lunch
> > > > buffet or $2000 for a couple nights of free hotel rooms.
> > >
> > > Actually, the business of points and promotions is due to
> > competition
> > > with other casinos for your gambling dollar. How gamblers use
or
> > > abuse these benefits has nothing to do with the strategy they
> play.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. VP players thinking they will reach the "long term" and
> > > actually
> > > > make money on the effort by playing the same denomination

for

> as
> > > many
> > > > hands as possible.
> > >
> > > There is no such thing as the long term. There are ONLY
> > probabilities
> > > over time. The only possible CON is to deny this proven
> > MATHEMATICAL
> > > FACT. This is a typical Singer ploy. Deny proven fact and

watch

> the
> > > suckers bite.
> > >
> > > > It doesn't take much time playing standard VP
> > > > games like FPDW or JOB to figure out that the basic money
flow
> > > > situation is that of losing money on a "97%" game whilst
> waiting
> > > for
> > > > a Royal Flush that is supposed to come every 40,000 to

70,000

> > hands
> > > > depending on the game.
> > >
> > > Did you have a point? PS. With FPDW it's 99%.
> > >
> > > > Quiz question - how many hands would it take
> > > > before you would even know if something was amiss with the
> Royal
> > > > Flush probability ( maybe 30 cycles = 1.5 to 2 million
> hands ).
> > > Who
> > > > wants to bet 2 million hands only to find out at the end of
it,
> > > that
> > > > the machines didn't really work the way you thought they
> would???
> > >
> > > Do you have a choice? Nope. There is no free lunch. You want

to

> > play
> > > VP, you play the machines. Your results will average out over
> time
> > to
> > > your accuracy on the games you play. There is nothing in AP
that
> > > requires anyone to play millions of hands. That is one of
> Singer's
> > > lies.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even Deuces Wild depends on waiting for the Royal Flush as
well
> > as
> > > > the Four Deuces, and you are playing a "95%" game in the
> > meantime.
> > >
> > > Still waiting for that point ...
> > >
> > > > Even assuming that the jackpot hands arrive on schedule,

you

> are
> > > > basically playing a game of musical chairs where you hand

the

> > > casinos
> > > > your money and hope that the music doesn't stop before you
get
> > the
> > > > Royal Flush or 4 Deuces to get some of your money back.
> > >
> > > Or ... some people actually get these hands better than
expected.
> > It
> > > works both ways. Anyone who ONLY points out the negative
> > > possibilities is not to be trusted.
> > >
> > > > Imagine
> > > > what would happen if suddenly all of the 100%+ games were
> changed
> > > to
> > > > negative games overnight from the casinos - so much
> > for 'Advantage
> > > > Play' for anybody that is 'behind' on the Royal Flush cycle
at
> > that
> > > > point.
> > >
> > > And, what if an asteriod crashes into your house. The odds of
the
> > > latter are probably better. Or, what if the stock market
crashed
> > > again? Do I need to go on?
> > >
> > > > Or what if you are just not that lucky with Royal Flushes
> > > > for whatever reason? Guess you just spent thousands of
hours
> > > > banging on VP machine buttons for nothing.
> > >
> > > And, what if you are lucky at the RFs? Are you going

somewhere

> with
> > > this or are you really just a non-stop pessimist?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. Why do some of the 'Advantage Play' teachers openly
admit
> to
> > > > losing tens of thousands of dollars at times ( -$30,000 is
> > > mentioned
> > > > at one place even for durations approaching 1 year while
> playing
> > > > every day ), but people still think this is an 'easy way'

to

> make
> > > > money?
> > >
> > > No one said it was an easy way to make money. This is the

kind

of
> > > statement that Singer attributes to the gurus, but it's just
> > another
> > > lie. How could Rob sell his CON without lying about the facts?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 4. The remedy for poor results in 'Advantage Play' is BUY
MY
> > > > BOOK/SOFTWARE/SEMINAR, MORE HANDS, MULTI-PLAY, MORE COIN-

IN,

> JUST
> > > > BELIEVE IN THE LONG TERM, and FASTER SPEED.
> > >
> > > No, another statement Singer attributes to the gurus ... and
> > another
> > > lie. Don't you ever cross reference your facts?
> > >
> > > > Gee, wonder who
> > > > benefits from that one? Think this might lead to an
> ADDICTION
> > > > anyone?
> > >
> > > No, addicition has already been covered here. Did you miss

the

> part
> > > about most victims being genetically predisposed? If you want
to
> > > avoid the potential for addiction then you should be

preaching

> > > complete abstinence ... is that what you are doing?
> > >
> > > > One of the common definitions of insanity is to keep doing
> > > > the same thing expecting different results. Most people
would
> > > make
> > > > more working at McDonald's or Wal-Mart per hour than with
> > > > supposed 'Advantage VP Play', and there is no risk of

losing

> > > $30,000
> > > > in the effort.
> > >
> > > Do you have a point? None of the gurus, or anyone else, is
trying
> > to
> > > convince anyone to start gambling. People have ALREADY made
that
> > > choice. AP simply gives them a way to lose less or win. It's
> really
> > > quite simple.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 5. Even if someone is making money using 'Advantage

Play',

> does
> > > > anyone really think it is an intelligent use of your time

to

> sit
> > > for
> > > > 8-12 hours per day at a VP machine staring at a computer
> screen,
> > >
> > > Now, this is completely Singerist. No one has to play 8-12
hours
> a
> > > day to be an APer. You asserted a lie and I bet you will

follow

> it
> > > with nonsense based on that lie..
> > >
> > > > punching buttons as fast as possible (carpal tunnel,
anyone?),
> > > > inhaling tons of second-hand smoke, eating non-healthy food
or
> > even
> > > > skipping meals, listening to loud music, dodging drunks,
> > druggies,
> > > > con artists, whores, cranky Alzheimer-affected retiree
> gamblers,
> > > and
> > > > drifters, just so you might make $20-30 per hour even if
> > everything
> > > > goes PERFECTLY?
> > >
> > > Just as I called. PS. People do all these things anyway when
they
> > > gamble. It has nothing to do with AP.
> > >
> > > > Shoot, I'd rather be a truck driver than do that.
> > >
> > > What's stopping you? Just make sure you don't stop along the
way
> > and
> > > eat any unhealthy food, or skip any meals or ... you get the
> > picture.
> > >
> > > > 6. People thinking they will 'get rich' by moving to Las
> Vegas
> > > just
> > > > to play the VP machines.
> > >
> > > Who? Name one. I know many recreational gamblers and they

NEVER

> > > thought they'd get rich playing VP.
> > >
> > > > Imagine, buying overpriced housing in a
> > > > bubble market ( another GREATER FOOL THEORY ), located in

the

> > > > cesspool of morality on the idea that you will

someday 'beat'

> the
> > > > casinos 'long term' and there will be no significant risk,
> > negative
> > > > consequences, family impact, or addiction issues.
> > >
> > > Hmmmm. Where have we heard these words before? However, it
still
> > has
> > > nothing to do with AP. The vast majority of people that come

to

> LV
> > > don't even play VP.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So, tell me who is the idiot - the person believing this

long-

> > > > term 'Advantage Player VP' hook, or the person that uses

FREE

> > > > STRATEGIES provided on a website to maximize their chances

of

> > > > profiting in one of more SHORT-TERM SESSIONS as an

occasional

> > part-
> > > > time entertainment???
> > >
> > > If the latter were possible it would be nice. However, this

is

···

> just
> > a
> > > fairy tale. You either gamble or you don't. The pluses and
> minuses
> > of
> > > casino play are the same no matter what system you use. If
anyone
> > > wants to minimize the time the play ... then do it. If they
want
> to
> > > play short sessions ... then do it (I do). Just don't think
that
> > any
> > > of this changes the underlying mathematical principles. Your
> > results
> > > WILL approach the mathematical average of the games you play
and
> > the
> > > way you play ... OVER TIME.
> > >
> >
>