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The Pepps has just lost another customer

Over the last couple of years I've visited Reno once every couple of
months. I usually stayed at the SL, but I always played primarily at
the Peppermill, especially since the SL murdered most of their decent
VP. I usually played dollar single-line this-n-that, and a lot of
triple and five play quarter NSUD and TDB. My results were pretty
good, better than the stats would suggest (I usually had a -0.3%
disadvantage). I rarely used my accumulated comps, eating there only
occasionally, and since the SL always comps my rooms, no bullshit, no
questions asked, I didn't stay at the Pepps. So one day recently I
asked one of the slot boothlings just how much I had accumulated in
comps. Those of you who have dealt with that asinine psychotic slot
club know that there is no such thing as a simple answer to that
simple question, not at the Peppermill. I decided to ask differently--
I had five (imaginary) friends coming into town and I wanted to take
them all out to dinner at the steakhouse, would I have enough comps
to do so? Oh, yeah, the answer came, in fact you could do it twice.
Bingo! So, if we assume that dinner at the steakhouse would be at
least $50/person, then I have at least $600 in available comps.
Right??

Well, last month I got a mailer--two nights in the new Tuscany tower,
plus $75 in free play. So I decided to take them up on it (I can hear
you all saying, "uh oh"), and roared into town. The Tuscany tower was
very very nice; the room was one of the best I've ever slept in. My
VP sessions, however, were awful. Playing almost exclusively 3-line
and 5-line NSUD .25, I managed to drop $3000 (!!). No royals, only
two sets of deuces in about $65K of coin-in (only an estimate because
the system at the Pepps doesn't let you know). Well, I signed a
couple of meals off to my room, so when I checked out, I felt
confident that that $65K of play would be enough to comp away the $60
worth of meals---but when I checked at the slot club, the boothnit
said, "I'm sorry sir, your comp balance is zero." WTF???

It turns out that they charged the two nights at the Tuscany tower
against my comp account AT FULL RACK RATE. This meant, of course,
that the room wasn't "complementary" at all: I had to pay for it out
of my comp account. Somehow, two nights at the Pepp's new tower had
obliterated what was at least $600 worth of comps, plus whatever I
might have accumulated from the most recent $65K play.

I just recently spent the weekend on another offer, and my play was
more modest--$35K this time, and my losses were more modest as well, -
$900. I had one meal at the Pepps which totaled $30--they refused to
comp it at checkout. I decided to talk to a slot host. I got this
tall older guy in a blond suit (I don't remember his name). He
adopted a condescnding attitude from the start, and said that
I "should have read the fine print" on the offer. I pointed out that
the phrase "based on play" could refer to PAST or FUTURE play and was
subject to interpretation, and I had had no reason to believe that I
would be expected to generate another $65K of action to pay for
my "complementary" room. I also asked him what had happened to all
the comps that I had accumulated over the last couple of years, and
had disappeared during my last visit. He then sneered--literally--
that I had "used them all up" and "shouldn't expect to get something
for nothing". At that point, I nearly lost it, and I asked him if his
casino employers considered over 1.2M in action over two
years "nothing". He then just tossed my player's card at me and
walked away. What an asshole!

The Pepps doesn't make ANYTHING clear to their customers, and while I
put the responsibility on myself for being surprised by some of the
things they do (caveat emptor), that doesn't mean that I ever have to
grace their doorstep again. And I won't. Which is too bad, because
the rooms and food are nice, and the VP is decent (no longer
excellent, just decent). I just don't like being told that a room
is "complementary" and then finding out that they have an entirely
different notion than the rest of Earth of what that term means.

The Atlantis, just down the street, with better food, better VP, and
equally nice rooms, and a non-asshole slot club, beckons.

I have to make a comment on your post. I understand your
frustration - we have been told that unless your offer specifically
states it will not be deducted from your comp balance or you book
through a host and the host tells you that, then they do indeed use
your comps only you don't know it till the shocker occurs. I wonder
about others experience. Their attitude and throwing the card at you
is really disturbing. (they probably looked at what you played and
considered you an "advantage" player)... I would write a letter
because taking it further up the chain the day it happen only would
have caused more trouble. (That is what one person told me)...

Over the last couple of years I've visited Reno once every couple

of

months. I usually stayed at the SL, but I always played primarily

at

the Peppermill, especially since the SL murdered most of their

decent

VP. I usually played dollar single-line this-n-that, and a lot of
triple and five play quarter NSUD and TDB. My results were pretty
good, better than the stats would suggest (I usually had a -0.3%
disadvantage). I rarely used my accumulated comps, eating there

only

occasionally, and since the SL always comps my rooms, no bullshit,

no

questions asked, I didn't stay at the Pepps. So one day recently I
asked one of the slot boothlings just how much I had accumulated in
comps. Those of you who have dealt with that asinine psychotic slot
club know that there is no such thing as a simple answer to that
simple question, not at the Peppermill. I decided to ask

differently--

I had five (imaginary) friends coming into town and I wanted to

take

them all out to dinner at the steakhouse, would I have enough comps
to do so? Oh, yeah, the answer came, in fact you could do it twice.
Bingo! So, if we assume that dinner at the steakhouse would be at
least $50/person, then I have at least $600 in available comps.
Right??

Well, last month I got a mailer--two nights in the new Tuscany

tower,

plus $75 in free play. So I decided to take them up on it (I can

hear

you all saying, "uh oh"), and roared into town. The Tuscany tower

was

very very nice; the room was one of the best I've ever slept in. My
VP sessions, however, were awful. Playing almost exclusively 3-line
and 5-line NSUD .25, I managed to drop $3000 (!!). No royals, only
two sets of deuces in about $65K of coin-in (only an estimate

because

the system at the Pepps doesn't let you know). Well, I signed a
couple of meals off to my room, so when I checked out, I felt
confident that that $65K of play would be enough to comp away the

$60

worth of meals---but when I checked at the slot club, the boothnit
said, "I'm sorry sir, your comp balance is zero." WTF???

It turns out that they charged the two nights at the Tuscany tower
against my comp account AT FULL RACK RATE. This meant, of course,
that the room wasn't "complementary" at all: I had to pay for it

out

of my comp account. Somehow, two nights at the Pepp's new tower had
obliterated what was at least $600 worth of comps, plus whatever I
might have accumulated from the most recent $65K play.

I just recently spent the weekend on another offer, and my play was
more modest--$35K this time, and my losses were more modest as

well, -

$900. I had one meal at the Pepps which totaled $30--they refused

to

comp it at checkout. I decided to talk to a slot host. I got this
tall older guy in a blond suit (I don't remember his name). He
adopted a condescnding attitude from the start, and said that
I "should have read the fine print" on the offer. I pointed out

that

the phrase "based on play" could refer to PAST or FUTURE play and

was

subject to interpretation, and I had had no reason to believe that

I

would be expected to generate another $65K of action to pay for
my "complementary" room. I also asked him what had happened to all
the comps that I had accumulated over the last couple of years, and
had disappeared during my last visit. He then sneered--literally--
that I had "used them all up" and "shouldn't expect to get

something

for nothing". At that point, I nearly lost it, and I asked him if

his

casino employers considered over 1.2M in action over two
years "nothing". He then just tossed my player's card at me and
walked away. What an asshole!

The Pepps doesn't make ANYTHING clear to their customers, and while

I

put the responsibility on myself for being surprised by some of the
things they do (caveat emptor), that doesn't mean that I ever have

to

grace their doorstep again. And I won't. Which is too bad, because
the rooms and food are nice, and the VP is decent (no longer
excellent, just decent). I just don't like being told that a room
is "complementary" and then finding out that they have an entirely
different notion than the rest of Earth of what that term means.

The Atlantis, just down the street, with better food, better VP,

and

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mkl54321" <mkl54321@...> wrote:

equally nice rooms, and a non-asshole slot club, beckons.

I think that the Peppermill "secret comp" system stinks - but I have been treated well
despite that system. I used to use the Reno Hilton as my Reno home - when I saw the
direction they were taking, I walked into the Pepp's VIP area and asked to talk to a host. I
asked if they had a comp system like RH's, and some info re" the place and the system.
The host was extremely helpful and attentive. Shortly after I got home, I got a platinum
card, parking tag, etc in the mail. On my next visit I called her and set up a visit through
her. I had a jacuzzi suite. When I went to check out, she comped the room, and all my
meals, but said something about my being overcomped. I asked for more inrormation and
learned the more about the rules of the game (including the one that all rooms are
charged against comps unless specifically stated otherwise in an offer). She explained a
tiny bit more about their use of theo. I asked if this was a problem - she said "no, we'll
make it up next visit". Since then, when I use an offer specifically stating that rooms are
not charged against comps, there's no problem. When I go at other times, I work with her
- I usually ask for a nice room, but one that won't break my "bank", and what restaurants,
if any, I should avoid, based on my recent play. She is great. I've been very slightly
"overcomped" since then, but she has covered everything for me.

I still prefer the Atlantis system, which I have started using seriously even more recently,
but I have been very happy for Maggie's willingness to work with me to make the best of
the Peppermill's flawed system.

I'm heading west Wed - two nights at the Pepp and two at Atlantis. Looking forward to
both.

Bob in San Antonio

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "gamblinggrandma" <gamblinggrandma@...>
wrote:

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I have to make a comment on your post. I understand your
frustration - we have been told that unless your offer specifically
states it will not be deducted from your comp balance or you book
through a host and the host tells you that, then they do indeed use
your comps only you don't know it till the shocker occurs. I wonder
about others experience. Their attitude and throwing the card at you
is really disturbing. (they probably looked at what you played and
considered you an "advantage" player)... I would write a letter
because taking it further up the chain the day it happen only would
have caused more trouble. (That is what one person told me)...