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The New Progressives At The M

#21

plenty of people are capable of learning KBJW to within 99.8% or 99.9%
accuracy with a little practice, and using a strategy for a 10k royal
is within 99.99% accurate for a 14k royal, or 99.9% accurate for a 18k
royal.

an error rate of 0.2% or 0.3% is hardly significant when you're
talking about a 2% or 3% or higher edge on the play.

best wishes,

five

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rob.singer1111 <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com> wrote:

And how many people know expert JP strategy, let alone the changes needed to theoretically be playing the thing correctly anyway?

#22

No disagreement that some people understand the strategy well enough to play "normal" KBJW efficiently. I've looked at it, and that game has some complex change requirements with a reduced payroll--let alone a constantly changing royal amount.

It's one thing to study it thoroughly and then play it for however long accurately. But these machines were put in so that the other games also creep up above and beyond 100% as people chase the KBJW royal. Suddenly as it's hit, they're now faced with changing games and strategies. While there may be those who say they can do it proficiently, I do not believe that is the case. I have all I can handle keeping optimal play in my head with 4000 credit royals for the 4 or 5 games that I play. It just doesn't seem possible or probable with 8, especially with those reduced paytables and changing royals.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

rob.singer1111 <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
> And how many people know expert JP strategy, let alone the changes needed to theoretically be playing the thing correctly anyway?

plenty of people are capable of learning KBJW to within 99.8% or 99.9%
accuracy with a little practice, and using a strategy for a 10k royal
is within 99.99% accurate for a 14k royal, or 99.9% accurate for a 18k
royal.

an error rate of 0.2% or 0.3% is hardly significant when you're
talking about a 2% or 3% or higher edge on the play.

best wishes,

five

#23

Any game with a big jackpot or two has the same
characteristics Mister Singer is complaining about.

And, his strategy involves taking more shots at the
big one that 'perfect' or other strategies.

So, it seems to a) not make sense to me to
complain about a high progressive game and
b) contradictory to Rob's own strategy to not
play these games.

Sour grapes or something, it does seem to me.

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--- On Mon, 5/30/11, rob.singer1111 <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: rob.singer1111 <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 4:00 PM

The Joker Poker progressives were seeded higher than the other games. And how many people know expert JP strategy, let alone the changes needed to theoretically be playing the thing correctly anyway?

These so-called "teams" have too many seats to fill to guarantee they'll hit it and even if they do, with all the seats and the lousy paytables they'll more than likely pound themselves into oblivion instead.

They ought to change those misleading billboards to "Pot Shot Heaven".

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Since the Joker Poker is now at 102% plus freebies I wonder why these much heralded "teams" aren't banging away at all 20 machines 24/7?
LOL.

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#24

Bruce, what you said about my strategy is not true. I'll be glad to discuss it with you on freevpfree if you'd like.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:

Any game with a big jackpot or two has the same
characteristics Mister Singer is complaining about.
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And, his strategy involves taking more shots at the
big one that 'perfect' or other strategies.
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So, it seems to a) not make sense to me to
complain about a high progressive game and
b) contradictory to Rob's own strategy to not
play these games.
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Sour grapes or something, it does seem to me.

#25

The Latter.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

Love the sword-fighting! :slight_smile:

I seem to remember a chap named Elliott Shapiro, who told me in the early to mid-2000's in person that his job was playing on teams that almost exclusively chased progressives. I believe another named Tom Robertson led one of those teams.

Could you please explain how the IRS had anything to do with putting teams (at least the ones you're familiar with) out of business? From what I know about how they operate that's somewhat out of their circle of responsibility. Or did you mean that the confusion and complications from how individual players reported their income (or didn't report income) just caused too much trouble for it to be worth doing any more?

Thank you.

From: Frank <frank@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:53 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M

There are no more teams since the late 90's. IRS pressure put them out of business. Those of us that went independent are banging away as much as we can, I was away for the weekend sword fighting in California, but play 5 hours tonight.

Also, many of the ex-team people don't play quarters. Not worth their time. If the dollar was up that would be another story.

My three day absence has left too many posts to reply to. I need to get to sleep so I can be back at the M in the morning. See ya all there.

Oh bring a SDB strategy for when the Joker falls.

~FK

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#26

The entire story of what went down with the IRS is very long. Perhaps a 2000+ word article.

I'm sorry I just don't have the time right now to go into details.

Ask me about it when we do the interview.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

Love the sword-fighting! :slight_smile:

I seem to remember a chap named Elliott Shapiro, who told me in the early to mid-2000's in person that his job was playing on teams that almost exclusively chased progressives. I believe another named Tom Robertson led one of those teams.

Could you please explain how the IRS had anything to do with putting teams (at least the ones you're familiar with) out of business? From what I know about how they operate that's somewhat out of their circle of responsibility. Or did you mean that the confusion and complications from how individual players reported their income (or didn't report income) just caused too much trouble for it to be worth doing any more?

Thank you.

From: Frank <frank@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:53 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M

There are no more teams since the late 90's. IRS pressure put them out of business. Those of us that went independent are banging away as much as we can, I was away for the weekend sword fighting in California, but play 5 hours tonight.

Also, many of the ex-team people don't play quarters. Not worth their time. If the dollar was up that would be another story.

My three day absence has left too many posts to reply to. I need to get to sleep so I can be back at the M in the morning. See ya all there.

Oh bring a SDB strategy for when the Joker falls.

~FK

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