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John_Frey · January 14, 2020, 4:58am

Well let's see:
IGT states that "gaming regulations require that gaming devices must have random outcomes of game play results."

What is so important is that there are many places where there are no gaming regulations. Cruise ships which operate in international waters and some (not all) Native American casinos are not subject to state gaming regulations.

The technology has existed for years to set up a machine so that it does not perform randomly. Machines can be set up to avoid giving players the better hands and of course alter the frequency of them.

Such machines and the practice of altering the outcome is illegal in Nevada, New Jersey, Colorado, and all other states that pattern their gaming regulations after those states. Beware of unregulated casinos.

This link: http://www.a-zcasinos.com/gaming_commissions.html
will take you to a page with names, addresses, phone numbers and links to the various state gaming commissions who license and regulate the industry. You may notice that some states where we know legal gaming is found does not have a regulatory body listed. Even at first glance, that should (hopefully) tell you something. Beyond that; however, it is an excellent source of information. As you will see, just having a gaming commission and being regulated does not mean the usual, customary, and reasonable standards we have come to expect as random are being required by the regulators. As a quick example, Arizona
requires that video poker pay back a minimum of 83%, a maximum of 100%, and a probability of obtaining a maximum payout (jackpot, royal, etc.)
which is greater than 1 in 17,000,000 (one in seventeen million) for each play. That is a far cry from random, as we know it. With JoB in a jurisdiction requiring a random game, you have a 1 in 40,391 chance at a maximum payout for each play. Quite a bit of difference. No, I am not saying this is how it is. All I am saying is this is how the regulations say it can be and still be legal.

John

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"Maspev" <siaassociates@monmouth.com> wrote:

Now it may be interesting to see how other jurisdictions, state,
foreign and Indian, respond to similar questions.

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someone_else · January 14, 2020, 5:01am

If those states simply don't have any VP games which normally have an ER
greater than 100%, then there's no problem and no need to read the rest
of this post; but if they _do_ have machines that are gaffed, what is
even more intriguing to me is how they would achieve that reduction down
to 100%; the method they use could seriously affect your strategy. I'm
not familiar with the other 100%+ games, so I'm going to have to speak
in terms of JOB here, which I think most folks understand anyway; for
the sake of argument, let's _PRETEND_ that 9/6 JOB full-coin normally
has an ER of 100.5% and the casinos need to gaffe the machine in order
to bring it into compliance with the law. I can imagine several

approaches.

Cheers.

Bill Velek, Attorney at Law

Bill,
Illinois has had 10/7 DB for years. A couple of years ago I spoke on the
phone with the Illinois Deputy Administrator of Investigations for the
Illinois Gaming Board. I told him that I analyzed a game that I found in
several casinos and it had a 100.1725% return with perfect play. He told me
that my analysis was flawed because an independent lab tested every new game
300,000 plays to be sure of the % return. All games in Illinois are under
100%. I know from running simulations of 10/7 DB that only 300,000 hands per
simulation will result in many simulations below 100%. I assume this is why
Illinois has 10/7 DB. I once ran a series of 10/7 DB simulations that
totaled 23,000,000 hands and it came out less than 100%. I asked Dean Zamzow
about this because I thought there might be a flaw in WinPoker. He said that
my results were not extraordinary. The odds of playing 23,000,000 hands of
10/7 DB and still be less than 100% return is about 1 in 100.

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katcag · January 14, 2020, 5:01am

According to everything I,ve read here, your very own Mississippi has that rule. No games over 100%.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: someone_else
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] The key is gaming regulations

  > If those states simply don't have any VP games which normally have an ER
  > greater than 100%, then there's no problem and no need to read the rest
  > of this post; but if they _do_ have machines that are gaffed, what is
  > even more intriguing to me is how they would achieve that reduction down
  > to 100%; the method they use could seriously affect your strategy. I'm
  > not familiar with the other 100%+ games, so I'm going to have to speak
  > in terms of JOB here, which I think most folks understand anyway; for
  > the sake of argument, let's _PRETEND_ that 9/6 JOB full-coin normally
  > has an ER of 100.5% and the casinos need to gaffe the machine in order
  > to bring it into compliance with the law. I can imagine several
  approaches.
  >
  > Cheers.
  >
  > Bill Velek, Attorney at Law

  Bill,
  Illinois has had 10/7 DB for years. A couple of years ago I spoke on the
  phone with the Illinois Deputy Administrator of Investigations for the
  Illinois Gaming Board. I told him that I analyzed a game that I found in
  several casinos and it had a 100.1725% return with perfect play. He told me
  that my analysis was flawed because an independent lab tested every new game
  300,000 plays to be sure of the % return. All games in Illinois are under
  100%. I know from running simulations of 10/7 DB that only 300,000 hands per
  simulation will result in many simulations below 100%. I assume this is why
  Illinois has 10/7 DB. I once ran a series of 10/7 DB simulations that
  totaled 23,000,000 hands and it came out less than 100%. I asked Dean Zamzow
  about this because I thought there might be a flaw in WinPoker. He said that
  my results were not extraordinary. The odds of playing 23,000,000 hands of
  10/7 DB and still be less than 100% return is about 1 in 100.

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