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The Impossible Question

OK now this was a useful answer.

Just to be sure I'm clear, even though some of your play occurred before midnight, and before you went to sleep and got up again, you still consider it to be the same day. Interesting!

Would you have included play that occurred 25 hours before your Royal?

Let's say you gotten there at 3PM, but the Royal wasn't hit until 4PM the next day.

Just curious, so I can tabulate opinions.

~FK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:

I consider that all one day, break even. I break everything into continuous 24 hour time periods. If I hit a royal at 8 pm and then at 8 am the next day I still consider that 2 royals in one day.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
>
> In line with our current discussion about how people perceive their results in discreet slices of time that begin and end primarily in their own minds. I have constructed the following thought experiment. Hope you like it.
>
> The Impossible Question
>
> You're in Las Vegas for a three day vacation. It's about five o'clock in the afternoon of your second day in Vegas. You saunter into your hotel room whereupon your significant other asks you a simple question, "How are you doing today in the casino?". Your goal is to answer as truthfully as possible without confabulation or obfuscation. There is no need to sugar coat the truth or deceive, as you budgeted appropriately for the trip. You simply need to answer the question accurately. Why should this be difficult? Well, I'm getting to that.
>
> Here's your data:
>
> You arrived yesterday afternoon at 4PM and played your favorite machine from 5PM-7PM until dinner time and lost $200. After dinner you resumed play on the same machine and played for six hours straight, losing $600. However, during this six hours of continuous play on the same machine the date changed halfway through. Before midnight you were only down $200. After midnight you lost an additional $400. At 4AM you went to bed for the night and only slept 3 hours, returning to your machine at 8AM after a quick breakfast. During this play session you made back +$100 and then, still tired from your long night, decided to lie down for a quick nap, which turned into 2 hours and fifty minutes. Upon rising from your nap you again returned to your favorite machine and hit a Royal, winning $700 after losses and a tip, before your date with destiny and the impossible question your loved one was about to ask.
>
> "How are you doing today in the casino?"
>
> Here's a list of the data points:
> 1.Afternoon first day = -200
> 2.After dinner before midnight -200 (part of continuous 6 hours session)
> 3.After midnight = -400 (part of continuous 6 hours session)
> 4.After going to sleep for 3 hours = +100
> 5.After 2 hour 50 min nap = +700
>
> The obvious problem here is figuring out when your "day" started. You did not go to bed before midnight and get up in the morning, and so have two totally different time scales working in opposition. You could use when you went to sleep and when you got up as the start of your day. But if we are using sleep as a determiner of when your day started, then your nap was only ten minutes shorter than your "sleep for the night".
>
> Please list a single one sentence numerical answer for the question.
>
> Example: I'm up $X today honeybee.
>
> Then list all your thought processes and justify your answer in as much detail as you can muster.
>
> There is no right or wrong answer to the question itself; This is about the justifications.
>
> ~FK
>

I am of the opinion that the day begins and ends with the sleep/nap/etc
which you plan on being the longest. i.e. if you plan on being up for most
of a 24-48hr period the times in there which you plan to have the longest
period of sleep are how you break up the day. Maybe the sleep which has the
most normal of your nightly routine is a better way to describe it? Like the
one where you brush your teeth and get under the covers of your bed etc, vs
the naps which may or may not include those portions.

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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:

**

OK now this was a useful answer.

Just to be sure I'm clear, even though some of your play occurred before
midnight, and before you went to sleep and got up again, you still consider
it to be the same day. Interesting!

Would you have included play that occurred 25 hours before your Royal?

Let's say you gotten there at 3PM, but the Royal wasn't hit until 4PM the
next day.

Just curious, so I can tabulate opinions.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
>
>
> I consider that all one day, break even. I break everything into
continuous 24 hour time periods. If I hit a royal at 8 pm and then at 8 am
the next day I still consider that 2 royals in one day.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >
> > In line with our current discussion about how people perceive their
results in discreet slices of time that begin and end primarily in their own
minds. I have constructed the following thought experiment. Hope you like
it.
> >
> > The Impossible Question
> >
> > You're in Las Vegas for a three day vacation. It's about five o'clock
in the afternoon of your second day in Vegas. You saunter into your hotel
room whereupon your significant other asks you a simple question, "How are
you doing today in the casino?". Your goal is to answer as truthfully as
possible without confabulation or obfuscation. There is no need to sugar
coat the truth or deceive, as you budgeted appropriately for the trip. You
simply need to answer the question accurately. Why should this be difficult?
Well, I'm getting to that.
> >
> > Here's your data:
> >
> > You arrived yesterday afternoon at 4PM and played your favorite machine
from 5PM-7PM until dinner time and lost $200. After dinner you resumed play
on the same machine and played for six hours straight, losing $600. However,
during this six hours of continuous play on the same machine the date
changed halfway through. Before midnight you were only down $200. After
midnight you lost an additional $400. At 4AM you went to bed for the night
and only slept 3 hours, returning to your machine at 8AM after a quick
breakfast. During this play session you made back +$100 and then, still
tired from your long night, decided to lie down for a quick nap, which
turned into 2 hours and fifty minutes. Upon rising from your nap you again
returned to your favorite machine and hit a Royal, winning $700 after losses
and a tip, before your date with destiny and the impossible question your
loved one was about to ask.
> >
> > "How are you doing today in the casino?"
> >
> > Here's a list of the data points:
> > 1.Afternoon first day = -200
> > 2.After dinner before midnight -200 (part of continuous 6 hours
session)
> > 3.After midnight = -400 (part of continuous 6 hours session)
> > 4.After going to sleep for 3 hours = +100
> > 5.After 2 hour 50 min nap = +700
> >
> > The obvious problem here is figuring out when your "day" started. You
did not go to bed before midnight and get up in the morning, and so have two
totally different time scales working in opposition. You could use when you
went to sleep and when you got up as the start of your day. But if we are
using sleep as a determiner of when your day started, then your nap was only
ten minutes shorter than your "sleep for the night".
> >
> > Please list a single one sentence numerical answer for the question.
> >
> > Example: I'm up $X today honeybee.
> >
> > Then list all your thought processes and justify your answer in as much
detail as you can muster.
> >
> > There is no right or wrong answer to the question itself; This is about
the justifications.
> >
> > ~FK
> >
>

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