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The Annual Bottom Line

Happy New Year

Many of you out there are reluctant or downright adamant in discussing your
win or loss total for the year.
The reasons may range from big brother watching to none of your beeswax.

Some are willing to share their down years and keep the up years private.

My curiosity focuses on how close did you come in living up to what the
"experts" said you would do... this year.

I put thru over 600k and should have donated 3k to the casinos theo wise. It
was closer to twice that amount.That does not include comps one way or the
other.

How did you do if you care to share?

Grumpy

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actually came out ahead in the game itself...though i am still
looking forward to the year when i play at the theorical level or
above...the most interesting stat for me was that overall, including
cashback and gift cards, i was playing with a theoretical 1.8%
advantage...not bad...

Happy New Year

Many of you out there are reluctant or downright adamant in

discussing your

win or loss total for the year.
The reasons may range from big brother watching to none of your

beeswax.

Some are willing to share their down years and keep the up years

private.

My curiosity focuses on how close did you come in living up to

what the

"experts" said you would do... this year.

I put thru over 600k and should have donated 3k to the casinos

theo wise. It

was closer to twice that amount.That does not include comps one

way or the

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other.

How did you do if you care to share?

Grumpy

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$0.25FPDW hrs- 80 $1499
$0.25FPDW slot cash $588
freeplay return $486
free play given $560
free money coupons $95
$1 9/6JoB w/ 4oak 125 coin bonus coupon(6 ea)2-Hrs $366

total hours 82 $3034
$ per hour $37
Biggest draw down was $1055

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Happy New Year

How did you do if you care to share?

Grumpy

Ashamed to admit I do not keep records, fear an IRS audit. I generally make some six trips a year to LV, count my money when I leave Dallas, count my money when I return. And I don't write that down!! I had a crummy year, but one quick story.
   
   As I have posted here I had major surgery in LV 7/22, got out of the hospital 10/2 or therabouts, two days before my scheduled return flight to Dallas, which I had to cancel and reschedule on another airline because I needed supplemental oxygen on the plane. My wife naturally thought I stayed in LV the last week so I could hit the tables and Vp machines.
   
  I stiffed the first hotel, Terrible's, which gave me a high roller limo ride from the hospital. I think that was a mistake on their part, I just expected the free shuttle they run. I thought I had contracted food poisoning on the plane while flying to LV, wrong, wrong, wrong. Paramedics took me to Sunrise Hospital where I had emergency surgery next morning. A couple of weeks later, while still in LV I noticed that Terrible's had charged me $82 for my room, which I did not dispute, since, I did stiff them, while checking my credit card statement online. Albeit I think I had a good excuse. Saturday, 10/10 or thereabouts I stopped in to Terrible's on my way to turn in my rental at the airport. I had only 30 minutes or so,to spare, decided to pour as much coin-in as possible, even if I had to play a game I did not know to try to get back in my hosts good graces. I was about $1K down for the trip, well below my trip bankroll which is classified information:-) After asking
various slot techs, I was escorted to the only two $5 VP machines they knew about. I had been playing a 100 play $.25 at the top of the escalator, non full pay game. Please do not report me to Bob Dancer or the VP gods for that indiscretion;-) They were two side by side uprights with five or six games available at the $1 denom, but when I touched the $5 denom icon, only ONE game was available, some kind of TDB, perhaps, dunno. Put in a benjamin, lost it, put in a second Benjamin, a hand or two later drew two fours, held them and drew three cards, two of which were fours, machine locked up, said call attendant, jackpot $3K. I told someone I was on the way to the airport, in a hurry, rhey returned with my money and paper work within ten minutes. While waiting, I put another Benjamin in the adjacent machine, second or third hand had quad eights, as I remember for $1250 and another W2-G. I collected both, made my plane with time to spare about up some$2.5K for the trip!!!
   
  BANDSTAND54@AOL.COM wrote:y
          Happy New Year

Many of you out there are reluctant or downright adamant in discussing your
win or loss total for the year.
The reasons may range from big brother watching to none of your beeswax.

Some are willing to share their down years and keep the up years private.

My curiosity focuses on how close did you come in living up to what the
"experts" said you would do... this year.

I put thru over 600k and should have donated 3k to the casinos theo wise. It
was closer to twice that amount.That does not include comps one way or the
other.

How did you do if you care to share?

Grumpy

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Chris plays much more VP than I do. I'm usually in the poker room.

She played (estimated) 500,000 to 600,000 hands over 115 days and was
quite lucky, ending the year up $2,334.

I played an estimated 90,000 to 120,000 hands for a yearly loss of only
$60.

This year we plan to keep more detailed records. For 2007 and back we
only have dates, locations, and net gain or loss per session.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

Besides that information, what information do you plan to add?

Also, how do people keep track of their actual coin-in? Do you actually
count how many hands you play??

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From: Mac McClellan <mac_mcclellan@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:37:24 -0000
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The Annual Bottom Line

This year we plan to keep more detailed records. For 2007 and back we
only have dates, locations, and net gain or loss per session.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

Used to be included, all you could eat, in the Feast Buffet for Dinner and
Brunch, and I'd drive all the way from Summerlin to Henderson to eat those
yummy suckers.

Went there this past Sunday night and discovered that the crab legs are NO
LONGER INCLUDED in the buffet, and they are NO LONGER ALL YOU CAN EAT. Now,
you have to pay an extra $3 for 1/2 pound or $5 for 1 pound. They tried to
offset this with a sign that said they lowered their prices. I'd rather
have the crab legs!!

I have no reason to visit GVR anymore. :frowning:

Mac McClellan wrote:

Chris plays much more VP than I do. I'm usually in the poker room.

She played (estimated) 500,000 to 600,000 hands over 115 days and was
quite lucky, ending the year up $2,334.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

If her "115 days" should have been consecutive days, that website name
is doubly well selected :wink: btw, that's an impressive, well formatted,
website!

On a related topic, started off the New Years rather remarkably.
Staying at Caesars AC, we put through $90K on $1 9/6 JB. The trip
started off with a bang -- Bev hit a RF just 50 min into play.

I'm still kissing her feet for I never felt quite so fortunate for a
hit. By the time the weekend was out we were down $1900. I can't say
that I've previously ever blown through a royal+ in so little time
playing Jacks. Aside from a one hour respite with mutual break even
play, every other hour was visited with a persistent loss running
between 5% and 10%. Triple Double Bonus was looking pretty inviting
by the finish :wink:

Still, after getting pretty liquored up last night and gaining a fresh
perspective this morning (a handful of Advil kept down ;), it was very
gratifying to return home with the lion's share of our trip stake
intact after a very "mild" loss.

We look to be back in the saddle with more aggressive play this year,
after taking it pretty easy these last 6 months. I'm hoping play
isn't quite so interesting as that of this weekend proved to be --
those who know me best know that I like to take things nice and easy,
where possible!

- Harry

Nathan O. Roemer wrote:

Also, how do people keep track of their actual coin-in? Do you
actually count how many hands you play??

The majority of casinos these days display a point count, where the
coin-in per point is known (most notably, Harrah's).

Where play isn't displayed to the player, the option exists to ask the
player desk or a host for total coin-in for a visit. Generally, I
don't bother with that -- I generally find that I can estimate Bev's
and my coin-in for a trip of 10+ hours within 5% (generally within
2%-3%) ... periodically confirmed with a host-provided recorded play.

We both tend to play a fairly fixed speed. Where a machine slows our
play from our normal pace, I'll do a hand count for 10 minutes to
establish what our play pace is. (Bev isn't speaking
"tongue-in-cheek" when she calls me A/R in one of her more impatient
moments :wink:

- Harry

Congrats Joe...you deserved the win after that long hospital stay:)

Joe Pucek <pucekjoe@yahoo.com> wrote: Ashamed to admit I do not keep records, fear an IRS audit. I generally make some six trips a year to LV, count my money when I leave Dallas, count my money when I return. And I don't write that down!! I had a crummy year, but one quick story.
    
    As I have posted here I had major surgery in LV 7/22, got out of the hospital 10/2 or therabouts, two days before my scheduled return flight to Dallas, which I had to cancel and reschedule on another airline because I needed supplemental oxygen on the plane. My wife naturally thought I stayed in LV the last week so I could hit the tables and Vp machines.
    
   I stiffed the first hotel, Terrible's, which gave me a high roller limo ride from the hospital. I think that was a mistake on their part, I just expected the free shuttle they run. I thought I had contracted food poisoning on the plane while flying to LV, wrong, wrong, wrong. Paramedics took me to Sunrise Hospital where I had emergency surgery next morning. A couple of weeks later, while still in LV I noticed that Terrible's had charged me $82 for my room, which I did not dispute, since, I did stiff them, while checking my credit card statement online. Albeit I think I had a good excuse. Saturday, 10/10 or thereabouts I stopped in to Terrible's on my way to turn in my rental at the airport. I had only 30 minutes or so,to spare, decided to pour as much coin-in as possible, even if I had to play a game I did not know to try to get back in my hosts good graces. I was about $1K down for the trip, well below my trip bankroll which is classified information:-) After asking
  various slot techs, I was escorted to the only two $5 VP machines they knew about. I had been playing a 100 play $.25 at the top of the escalator, non full pay game. Please do not report me to Bob Dancer or the VP gods for that indiscretion;-) They were two side by side uprights with five or six games available at the $1 denom, but when I touched the $5 denom icon, only ONE game was available, some kind of TDB, perhaps, dunno. Put in a benjamin, lost it, put in a second Benjamin, a hand or two later drew two fours, held them and drew three cards, two of which were fours, machine locked up, said call attendant, jackpot $3K. I told someone I was on the way to the airport, in a hurry, rhey returned with my money and paper work within ten minutes. While waiting, I put another Benjamin in the adjacent machine, second or third hand had quad eights, as I remember for $1250 and another W2-G. I collected both, made my plane with time to spare about up some$2.5K for the trip!!!
    
   BANDSTAND54@AOL.COM wrote:y
           Happy New Year

Many of you out there are reluctant or downright adamant in discussing your
win or loss total for the year.
The reasons may range from big brother watching to none of your beeswax.

Some are willing to share their down years and keep the up years private.

My curiosity focuses on how close did you come in living up to what the
"experts" said you would do... this year.

I put thru over 600k and should have donated 3k to the casinos theo wise. It
was closer to twice that amount.That does not include comps one way or the
other.

How did you do if you care to share?

Grumpy

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>
> Happy New Year
>
> How did you do if you care to share?
>
> Grumpy

$0.25FPDW hrs- 80 $1499
$0.25FPDW slot cash $588

These are cold hard cash, correct?

freeplay return $486
free play given $560
free money coupons $95
$1 9/6JoB w/ 4oak 125 coin bonus coupon(6 ea)2-Hrs $366

Are these gains or what you played back?

total hours 82 $3034
$ per hour $37
Biggest draw down was $1055

Not trying to take anything away, but I guess my question is did you
actually pocket 3034 or 2086 and what totals 3034

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@ wrote:

In addition to date, location, and net gain/loss we're going to track
time started and completed play, machine ID number, machine
denomination, and estimated coin-in. We know our average playing
speed, so we can estimate coin-in based on that.

We also plan to keep records of comps redeemed.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

Besides that information, what information do you plan to add?

Also, how do people keep track of their actual coin-in? Do you

actually

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:

count how many hands you play??

Thanks Harry.

Although it wasn't 115 "consecutive" days we did actually stay 71 days
free in 2007 -- either comped in a casino RV park, or free in the
parking lot. The other 44 days of play we were in military RV parks on
Air Force bases in Biloxi, Tucson, and Las Vegas.

Playing a mix of Quarters, Halfs and Dollars, we were fortunate that
one of Chris' 10 RF's was on a dollar machine!

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

Mac McClellan wrote:
> Chris plays much more VP than I do. I'm usually in the poker room.
>
> She played (estimated) 500,000 to 600,000 hands over 115 days and

was

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

> quite lucky, ending the year up $2,334.
>
> Mac
> www.CasinoCamper.com

If her "115 days" should have been consecutive days, that website name
is doubly well selected :wink: btw, that's an impressive, well formatted,
website!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

Nathan O. Roemer wrote:
> Also, how do people keep track of their actual coin-in? Do you
> actually count how many hands you play??

The majority of casinos these days display a point count, where the
coin-in per point is known (most notably, Harrah's).

Where play isn't displayed to the player, the option exists to ask

the

player desk or a host for total coin-in for a visit. Generally, I
don't bother with that -- I generally find that I can estimate Bev's
and my coin-in for a trip of 10+ hours within 5% (generally within
2%-3%) ... periodically confirmed with a host-provided recorded

play.

We both tend to play a fairly fixed speed. Where a machine slows

our

play from our normal pace, I'll do a hand count for 10 minutes to
establish what our play pace is. (Bev isn't speaking
"tongue-in-cheek" when she calls me A/R in one of her more impatient
moments :wink:

- Harry

When I'm playing an individual progressive where I can't count hands
using the card, I use the meter to count hands. One penny per dollar
in action with a 1% meter, one penny per two dollars with a .5%
meter, etc.

If I have to use an estimate I make a 5 minute count then multiply by
12 and discount 100 hands per hour for the time I spend in the
bathroom throwing water in my face.