Quad Zilla wrote (or so it would appear from his post):
Don't be so testy. This is supposed to be a friendly group. I can't help it that I'm not as intelligent as you, so why don't you try having a little bit of patience instead of acting like some damned prima dona.
Actually, the above sentence was written by me in reply to his post which I thought was unjustifiably hostile, ... but quadzilla couldn't be bothered with indicating such trivial stuff like _who_ wrote _what_; yep, that's what makes all of his writing so damned clear. Despite numerous pointers to him about this in the past, and from people besides me as I recall, he's still just as dense, lazy, or inconsiderate in that regard as ever.
Uh.... no. It is supposed to be a group to discuss video poker and some other associated topics. Friendliness is at the discretion of the author.
Now, _THAT_ was from _his_ reply. What a wonderful world he must live in.
Just because I said that this is supposed to be a _friendly_ group doesn't imply, by _ANY_ stretch of the imagination, that I thought that any sort of off-topic discussion is appropriate. So for you to seem to think that it was somehow necessary to qualify that with a stupid remark like: "Uh.... no. It is supposed to be a group to discuss video poker and some other associated topics" ... shows that you have more of a problem understanding simple straightforward English than I might have with your math comments. I guess that's why you couldn't seem to understand my previous statement that I would look at the math in your post later, when I would have the time. And its a bit ironic that you would even mention 'on-topic' considering how, from a real practical standpoint, your original post is about as relevant to the real world of VP as the man in the moon -- and devoid of the least bit of real help. For example, most of it is about coin-tossing and a fantasy roulette wheel without zeros; if that helps you make your point, then so be it, but what exactly _IS_ your point? That after we've traveled all the way to the casino to enjoy some VP, that we can maximize the ER of this special promotion by always quitting as soon as we're ahead 25 betting units? (And you even seem to be "guessing" at that, with no precise numbers or explanations given to support your conclusions ... as if the masses are supposed to just bow down to the great QUADZILLA, god of VP). Then we have your ridiculous statement that "If you simply lose 22 hands in a row, you will have had an EV of roughly $3 on dollar JOB." JoB-9/6 has a losing-hand rate of 54.543% per WinPoker; the likelihood of losing 22 hands in a row is ... drum roll please ... 0.000161531 percent ... and WHOOPTIE-DOOOO ... a whole THREE DOLLARS. But you continue: "I'd guess you should average at least 60 hands with an average return somewhere around 3%. That is still only about a $9 overall EV." What, exactly, is that supposed to mean? Giving us the bottom-limit of 60 hands doesn't tell us 'diddly' because the average number of hands in a session could be 100 or a 1000 or whatever, and this against your basic premise that too many hands dilutes the value of the promotion. Also, why don't you quite assuming that we're all mind-readers and explain yourself; not all who might be interested can easily follow such crystal clear writing (CLUE: if you are deliberately writing this to just 3 or 4 geniuses in this group, why don't you try direct email instead?). And then you conclude your post, once you _finally_ figured it all out as you wrote (not very reassuring), with what? ... some exact 'pearls of wisdom' about VP? No; it's about craps and single-zero roulette, which isn't on-topic with VP!! Now let me add some insight of my own about your approach: if the average player (playing dollar or less machines) starts _playing_ an average of only 60 hands a session, or 160, or even 560 hands a session and then stopping just so they can take advantage of this offer, what do you think will happen to their bounce-back and other comps?
As for your next sentence in your most recent post: "Friendliness is at the discretion of the author", I guess that about sums up the sort of person you are. I'm not expecting folks to send me a birthday card, but when I am civil in my posts, I expect people to reciprocate with some civility as well. It's what some folks call "CLASS" ... and you obviously have very little. There are plenty of folks here in this group who are both helpful AND pleasant, so I sure don't need to waste my time with a jackass like you. And by the way, you're not as clear in your writing as you think (see above example), ... and I'm not all that stupid, either (and I have the credentials to prove it).
PLONK!
Velek