LOL - my thoughts exactly.
As an aside, I cannot comprehend why someone who believes the machines are
often not random would put their money at risk (other than the amount of money
they would pay for pure recreation).
In a message dated 2/19/2005 10:04:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:
it won't HURT unless you switch to a
machine that is even more egregious in its chreating.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
the trick is to find the good machines and avoid the bad machines
paytables, player tracking, malfunctions, sticky keys, glare, gaffing
...
they may all look like the same machine, but at today's levels of
complexity, they most certainly are not
LOL - my thoughts exactly.
As an aside, I cannot comprehend why someone who believes the
machines are
often not random would put their money at risk (other than the
amount of money
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ezfromnwon@a... wrote:
they would pay for pure recreation).
In a message dated 2/19/2005 10:04:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bornloser1537@y... writes:
it won't HURT unless you switch to a
machine that is even more egregious in its chreating.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
LOL - my thoughts exactly.
As an aside, I cannot comprehend why someone who believes the
machines are
often not random would put their money at risk (other than the
amount of money
they would pay for pure recreation).
All other things being equal, it is better for the player to play the
least random game possible -- assuming there is no cheating. I want
a machine to get stuck in non-random hot and cold modes; because I'll
ride them when their hot, and ditch them when their cold. When I
play a table game where the dealer controls the element of chance, I
look for the one that's the most simple, consistent, robotic, ston-
faced, and monotonous. I want non-random patterns to develop -- and
then bet more.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ezfromnwon@a... wrote:
For some reason I suddenly feel like Arthur Dent:-) What makes you think
you won't find a pattern in random events? I often do if I look hard
enough. How do you determine there is no cheating in a non random machine?
How do you determine a machine isn't random. What makes you think
randomness is the absence of streaks? What makes you think non randomness
would necessarilly include streaks? How do you determine you are on a hot
streak and when that streak has ended? Same question for a cold streak. I
could go on, but you get my drift.
Chandler
-----Original Message-----
From: steviemcc1 [mailto:steviem…@…com]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: switching machines when seemingly on a losing
streak
All other things being equal, it is better for the player to play the
least random game possible -- assuming there is no cheating. I want
a machine to get stuck in non-random hot and cold modes; because I'll
ride them when their hot, and ditch them when their cold. When I
play a table game where the dealer controls the element of chance, I
look for the one that's the most simple, consistent, robotic, ston-
faced, and monotonous. I want non-random patterns to develop -- and
then bet more.
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Right on, brother!
Just about everything that most of us experience in Las Vegas is in
the realm of small number statistics. Streaks are a part of the
game, even in the "most random" of events (what ever "most random"
means...it is either random, or it is not). Most of us can never be
around long enough in Las Vegas to know. We have to take something,
or somebody, at their word and hope for the best and be willing to
lose.
.....bl
For some reason I suddenly feel like Arthur Dent:-) What makes
you think
you won't find a pattern in random events? I often do if I look
hard
enough. How do you determine there is no cheating in a non random
machine?
How do you determine a machine isn't random. What makes you think
randomness is the absence of streaks? What makes you think non
randomness
would necessarilly include streaks? How do you determine you are
on a hot
streak and when that streak has ended? Same question for a cold
streak. I
could go on, but you get my drift.
Chandler
From: steviemcc1 [mailto:steviemcc1@y…]
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: switching machines when seemingly on a losing
streakAll other things being equal, it is better for the player to play
the
least random game possible -- assuming there is no cheating. I
want
a machine to get stuck in non-random hot and cold modes; because
I'll
ride them when their hot, and ditch them when their cold. When I
play a table game where the dealer controls the element of chance,
I
look for the one that's the most simple, consistent, robotic, ston-
faced, and monotonous. I want non-random patterns to develop --
and
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
then bet more.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
For some reason I suddenly feel like Arthur Dent:-) What makes you
think
you won't find a pattern in random events?
You will, but the same pattern will not repeat over and over again.
I often do if I look hard
enough. How do you determine there is no cheating in a non random
machine?
By your (and others) results over long term play.
How do you determine a machine isn't random.
By your (and others) results over long term play.
What makes you think
randomness is the absence of streaks? What makes you think non
randomness
would necessarilly include streaks? How do you determine you are
on a hot
streak and when that streak has ended? Same question for a cold
streak.
Streaks are inherent in randomness, however consistent patterns over
time are not. Of course, this may require a lot of hands to determine.
I
could go on, but you get my drift.
Of course, you assume it's impossible to detect a non-random machine
so don't even try. However, the VLTs in WA state are just such
machines and it took me less than 1 hour to figure that out when I
first played them years ago. The "give away" on the machine that I
was playing is that the two pair combinations always ended up in the
same spots. If I had assumed they were random then I would never had
noticed ...
I once had a long streak where I hit unsuited 2345 for a straight by
drawing the ace about 1/3 of the time on a particular kind of
machine. It finally ended and went back to normal distribution. As it
turned out this was a streak, however, if it had continued for
longer, the rate of hit been higher, or other anomalies appeared,
then I would probably have concluded the machine was non-random.
Keep in mind that it is possible to have short term periods of less
than perfect randomness in a long term random sequence of numbers
generated by software algorithm.
Dick
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote: