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Switching Games

I can know the correct strategies for multiple games. But, Bob
thinks that I'm not very competent, if I switch back and forth
between these games that I know so well.

Bob is wrong about his presumption.

What is the meaning of "competent"? Bob's presumption stems from an
assumption that the purpose of playing is extrinsic gain. A player who is
"competent" in Bob's sense is effectively pursuing that goal. It's rare
that switching games serves that purpose. But there are exceptions: when a
promotion is changing the values of the games; when the availability or
unavailability of a second machine changes the desirability of hitting a
hand-pay; when changing games is a useful tactic in the greater game of
avoiding countermeasures by the casino. There's also the possibility that
bankroll changes invert the relative risk-adjusted values of two alternatives.
All would be considerations that Bob would naturally accept as justifying a
strategy switch.

Other considerations, such as "I'm running bad at DB, I'll try deuces" are a
sign of someone whose thinking on the subject does not reflect the same
values as Bob's.

I doubt Bob was intending to derogate the original poster for switching
games; he was making a point that the common "reasons" for changing games
are signs that the person is not singlemindedly pursuing the goal of
extracting money from the game, his definition of competence.

One of the most impressive displays of competence I've ever seen was someone
playing two strategies simultaneously, on the side-by-side $1 FPDW and KBJW
games at Harrahs (gone 12 years ago, don't look for them now). Given a
choice of playing 500 hands per hour on just one game, or playing 400 hands
per hour on each of the two games, he chose the latter.

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--
Randy Hudson

Randy & others

Food for thought. What would any of us do if we started a play
session playing a very bad pay table game by accident? When
discovered we would change to a better game? How about if during
the first few plays on the crummy game, one hits a few flushes and
houses and discovers he is playing the wrong game just after hitting
a 4kd. He's up about 400 credits and has hit every hand since
starting play.

The 'experts' would say 2 things. 1.Don't play one more game at the
reduced rate. 2.They would never get caught in this situation since
they wouldn't make the mistake to begin with.

Since I'm a regular guy, I will admit to making an error once in a
while. In the above situation I would continue to play the reduced
pay game till it quit hitting. I guess you might call me a
disadvantage player; sometime. Those extra games played will earn me
a few demerits with experts. Making the error will label me
incompetent. Many times, even my bankroll will agree with this.

Cheers....Jeep

> I can know the correct strategies for multiple games. But, Bob
> thinks that I'm not very competent, if I switch back and forth
> between these games that I know so well.
>
> Bob is wrong about his presumption.

What is the meaning of "competent"? Bob's presumption stems from

an

assumption that the purpose of playing is extrinsic gain. A

player who is

"competent" in Bob's sense is effectively pursuing that goal.

It's rare

that switching games serves that purpose. But there are

exceptions: when a

promotion is changing the values of the games; when the

availability or

unavailability of a second machine changes the desirability of

hitting a

hand-pay; when changing games is a useful tactic in the greater

game of

avoiding countermeasures by the casino. There's also the

possibility that

bankroll changes invert the relative risk-adjusted values of two

alternatives.

All would be considerations that Bob would naturally accept as

justifying a

strategy switch.

Other considerations, such as "I'm running bad at DB, I'll try

deuces" are a

sign of someone whose thinking on the subject does not reflect the

same

values as Bob's.

I doubt Bob was intending to derogate the original poster for

switching

games; he was making a point that the common "reasons" for

changing games

are signs that the person is not singlemindedly pursuing the goal

of

extracting money from the game, his definition of competence.

One of the most impressive displays of competence I've ever seen

was someone

playing two strategies simultaneously, on the side-by-side $1 FPDW

and KBJW

games at Harrahs (gone 12 years ago, don't look for them now).

Given a

choice of playing 500 hands per hour on just one game, or playing

400 hands

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <ime@...> wrote:

per hour on each of the two games, he chose the latter.

--
Randy Hudson

<<Food for thought. What would any of us do if we started a play
session playing a very bad pay table game by accident? When
discovered we would change to a better game? How about if during
the first few plays on the crummy game, one hits a few flushes and
houses and discovers he is playing the wrong game just after hitting
a 4kd. He's up about 400 credits and has hit every hand since
starting play.

The 'experts' would say 2 things. 1.Don't play one more game at the
reduced rate. 2.They would never get caught in this situation since
they wouldn't make the mistake to begin with.

Since I'm a regular guy, I will admit to making an error once in a
while. In the above situation I would continue to play the reduced
pay game till it quit hitting. I guess you might call me a
disadvantage player; sometime. Those extra games played will earn me
a few demerits with experts. Making the error will label me
incompetent. Many times, even my bankroll will agree with this.>>

It just means you don't understand the reality of gambling and prefer to
think magically about cause and effect. This is not an uncommon state of
mind but it is an unprofitable one.

Cogno

It just means you don't understand the reality of gambling and prefer

to

think magically about cause and effect. This is not an uncommon state

of

mind but it is an unprofitable one.

I agree with around 99.9% of this. However, there's still that .1%
uncertainty that maybe we don't understand everything in the world
around us that could ... just might ... may possibly ... be important.

Dick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

Cogno

There's no doubt in my mind. Your "probably" right.

Jeep
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...>
wrote:

It just means you don't understand the reality of gambling and

prefer to

think magically about cause and effect. This is not an uncommon

state of

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mind but it is an unprofitable one.

Cogno