I played 9/6 J or better Super Times Pay at the Gold Coast. Over a period of 10 minutes, approximately 100 hands, I received zero multipliers. Is this within the range of expectations? What are the actual odds of this happening?
RICH
Super Times Pay
You can pretty much call this a 1 in 1000 occurrence.
Thanks for your help. I guess 1/1000 can happen; just better have an adequate bankroll.
I’ve had less than subpar luck with limited STP play and, for the time being, have come to avoid the 6th coin wager.
When the 1 in 15 occurrence of the STP multiplier fails to connect with a good paying hand over an extended run (without even contemplating your sour run), it gets to be an expensive game. Of course, all it takes is one strong connection to compensate for an ugly session; and a couple to produce a handsome win – something that fans of the game savor.
I have a picture somewhere of a friend’s dealt SF with a 10X, It also maybe in the site photos. Sweet.
AS for me, it is a money pit.
Bob had this hand a few years back and I saw it first hand. I may have sent you the picture.
SB
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I have a picture somewhere of a friend’s dealt SF with a 10X, It also maybe in the site photos. Sweet.
AS for me, it is a money pit.
From a purely EV perspective STP looks appealing. You get on average a multiplier having a value of 4.05 every 15 hands. So that is(14+4.05)/15=1.2033 vs the 1.2 (6/5) cost of the extra coin which adds ~ 0.25% to the return. So 9/6 Jacks without STP at 99.54% becomes 99.82% with STP from a strictly EV perspective.
Now of that additional return the contribution for the Royal with multiplier alone is more than the extra ~0.25% total EV boost. Assume you are playing dollars. On average each Royal needs to pay 1.2033*$4000 to meet the average return of the STP cost. So every time you get a non multiplied Royal you are down an extra $813 over a ~40,000 hand cycle. That cycle is ~$200K coin in for a loss in EV of ~0.4%. So even if all other hands are hitting the multiplier as expected if you don’t ever get a Royal with multiplier you are playing against a 99.41% edge in Jacks.
So on average a Royal with multiplier will occur every 600,000 hands. That is getting to be a very long cycle. Some folks will get lucky and hit one ahead of schedule and occasionally for a big multiplier. I was fortunate enough to have a 10X Royal last year. On the other hand I know a person who has played well over $5M on dollar STP and only has one 2X Royal.
I’ve often eschewed the STP 6th coin and given up the extra EV for a significant decrease in variance. It also speeds the game up considerably. The lower EV in exchange for lower variance is often a reasonable trade off. On the other hand playing 9/6 DDB on the same machine that has 8/5 BP makes no sense to me and I’ve seen people do this often. Getting lower EV in exchange for higher variance is a bad decision in the long run.
SB
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I’ve had less than subpar luck with limited STP play and, for the time being, have come to avoid the 6th coin wager.
When the 1 in 15 occurrence of the STP multiplier fails to connect with a good paying hand over an extended run (without even contemplating your sour run), it gets to be an expensive game. Of course, all it takes is one strong connection to compensate for an ugly session; and a couple to produce a handsome win – something that fans of the game savor.
I played STP JOB for several years and, due mostly to some of my OCD tendencies, usually kept a count of the number of deals between multipliers. In most sessions of a few hours, it was not unusual to go 70 hands or more without a multiplier. Maybe a half dozen times over the years, I went 110-120 hands without multipliers. I began to think that there was a “limiter” of some sort in the system that did not let the multiplier drought exceed 120-125 hands. Then a year ago I went 175 hands between multipliers. Fortunately that was a one-time occurrence.
Max
I know of the Nevada law about an honest deal of the 52 cards, but is there any rule / law about the frequency / randomness of the times play multiplier, or multi strike “free” ride that all machines must comply with? or else I am playing a slot machine.
Also the super times pay games at Gold coast and videopoker.com seems to exclude multipliers of 6,and for sure 7,and 9., Thus how did the prior responder come up with an average per multiplier- as the 8 and 10 come up only a few times per session.
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I played 9/6 J or better Super Times Pay at the Gold Coast. Over a
period of 10 minutes, approximately 100 hands, I received zero
multipliers. Is this within the range of expectations? What are the
actual odds of this happening?
RICH
In the help screen, it tells you that the multiplier appear on average every fifteen hands and the average value of a multiplier is 4.05 and yes, six seven or nine is not possible.
Several years ago somebody posted a list that showed the frequencies of the multipliers. I remember that 3x is most common at 1/3 of the multipliers. 10x appears every 25 multipliers and 8x every 16-2/3 multipliers.
Howard W. Stern
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To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 10:31 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] RE: Super Times Pay
I know of the Nevada law about an honest deal of the 52 cards, but is there any rule / law about the frequency / randomness of the times play multiplier, or multi strike “free” ride that all machines must comply with? or else I am playing a slot machine.
Also the super times pay games at Gold coast and videopoker.com seems to exclude multipliers of 6,and for sure 7,and 9., Thus how did the prior responder come up with an average per multiplier- as the 8 and 10 come up only a few times per session.
I played 9/6
J or better Super Times Pay at the Gold Coast. Over a
period of 10 minutes, approximately 100 hands, I received zero
multipliers. Is this within the range of expectations? What are the
actual odds of this happening?
RICH
—In vpF…@…com, <DEUCESWILD2222@…> wrote: