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Super Aces Bonus Poker

#1

Hello - I've finally found a VP game with a positive expected return
in a North San Diego Indian Casino that doesn't require a $25 bet, a
true SABP on a 3/5 play $.25/$.50/$1.00 machine at Valley View Casino.
According to all the experts, the expected return on SABP is 99.9%.
With the slot club at .25%, that puts the game positive, if only
slightly.

My question has to do with determining a strategy for SABP since I
haven't seen one offered by anyone. In this case, I would like to
figure out my own strategy but don't have any idea where to start.
Anyone care to give me a "push" in the right direction?

Thank you
Doc

#2

Since this game isn't in the DataBase maybe you can
tell us where the machine(s) are located, how many,
and whether slant-tops or uprights?

Anytime anyone finds good machines that aren't in the
DataBase, please post location details or email to me
privately. Likewise if you find games that are MIA.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 6 Jun 2005 at 23:19, docjump wrote:

Hello - I've finally found a VP game with a positive expected return in
a North San Diego Indian Casino that doesn't require a $25 bet, a true
SABP on a 3/5 play $.25/$.50/$1.00 machine at Valley View Casino.
According to all the experts, the expected return on SABP is 99.9%. With
the slot club at .25%, that puts the game positive, if only slightly.

#3

The best thing you can do, as mentioned by others, is to work out the
proper strategy using the standard readily available software
programs. But here are a few tips to get you started.

1. Aces are important! A lone ace beats two unsuited high cards,
even QJ. So with AQJ(all unsuited), hold just the Ace. And
obviously hold just the ace with hands like AJ(unsuited.)

2. Lone ace beats JTsuited (and of couse QTs and KTs).

3. Hold ace only with hands like A35suited.

4. All 4 card inside straights are playable, unless they contain
exactly 1 high card. So hold 8754, but not J987 (keep Jack only).

5. A pair of aces is better than 2 pair (drop the second pair).

6. Trip aces are better than a pat full house (drop the pair and go
for the 2000 coins!).

The game is actually quite easy to play correctly. But the variance
is a killer. If you don't hit your fair share of quad aces, you will
lose.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "docjump" <docjump@e...> wrote:

My question has to do with determining a strategy for SABP since I
haven't seen one offered by anyone. In this case, I would like to
figure out my own strategy but don't have any idea where to start.
Anyone care to give me a "push" in the right direction?

#4

Since I live in North San Diego County and frequent some of the dozen or so Indian Casinos in the area, I'm thinking of building a web page of my own with the details you requested along with details of each of the area's casino's amenities, slot clubs and promos. But as far as the SABP machines I found at Valley View Casino, there are two of them, slant top, right next to two spin poker machines of the same variety, directly across the aisle from the cashier cage on the west side of the casino. They are in what Valley View considers their high roller area, even though these are $.25/$.50/$1.00 3/5 plays.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: vpFREE
  To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:38 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Super Aces Bonus Poker

  On 6 Jun 2005 at 23:19, docjump wrote:

  > Hello - I've finally found a VP game with a positive expected return in
  > a North San Diego Indian Casino that doesn't require a $25 bet, a true
  > SABP on a 3/5 play $.25/$.50/$1.00 machine at Valley View Casino.
  > According to all the experts, the expected return on SABP is 99.9%. With
  > the slot club at .25%, that puts the game positive, if only slightly.

  Since this game isn't in the DataBase maybe you can
  tell us where the machine(s) are located, how many,
  and whether slant-tops or uprights?

  Anytime anyone finds good machines that aren't in the
  DataBase, please post location details or email to me
  privately. Likewise if you find games that are MIA.

  vpFREE Administrator

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#5

I may have to correct my statement that the SABP games found at Valley View are true SABP. It is my understanding that the full pay Super Aces pay table is identical to 8/5 Double Bonus with the obvious exception of the payoff on four aces (this is information from Bob Dancer). However, there are two difference in the Valley View machines, the payoff on a SF is 60 rather than 50 on Double Bonus and the payoff on a straight is 4 rather than 5 on Double Bonus. Is this true full pay SABP or not?

Also, thanks to all who responded to my original strategy table question on SAPB. I purchased VPSM and it works like a charm. However, it begs the question of how to determine theoretical return on non-standard pay VP games?

Thanks again.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: vpFREE
  To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:38 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Super Aces Bonus Poker

  On 6 Jun 2005 at 23:19, docjump wrote:

  > Hello - I've finally found a VP game with a positive expected return in
  > a North San Diego Indian Casino that doesn't require a $25 bet, a true
  > SABP on a 3/5 play $.25/$.50/$1.00 machine at Valley View Casino.
  > According to all the experts, the expected return on SABP is 99.9%. With
  > the slot club at .25%, that puts the game positive, if only slightly.

  Since this game isn't in the DataBase maybe you can
  tell us where the machine(s) are located, how many,
  and whether slant-tops or uprights?

  Anytime anyone finds good machines that aren't in the
  DataBase, please post location details or email to me
  privately. Likewise if you find games that are MIA.

  vpFREE Administrator

  vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

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#6

However, there are two difference in the Valley View machines,

the payoff on a SF is 60 rather than 50 on Double Bonus and the
payoff on a straight is 4 rather than 5 on Double Bonus. Is this true
full pay SABP or not?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

OK, here is the full pay table (I'm pretty sure this can also be
found in the vpFREE paytable files.)

4000, 300, [2000, 400, 250], 40, 25, 20, 15, 5, 5. 99.9391%

I have also heard of (but never seen) a version of SABP that pays 250
instead of 300 for a straight flush. This I guess would be "nearly
full pay" SABP.

Also, thanks to all who responded to my original strategy table

question on SAPB. I purchased VPSM and it works like a charm.
However, it begs the question of how to determine theoretical return
on non-standard pay VP games?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You need WinPoker or Frugal VP to calculate the theo. return. These
programs will also allow you to practice the games and will alert you
when you make a mistake.

EE

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