I have 3 questions. First has anyone ever seen an igt machine that
held the correct cards in a casino? You just push deal and then draw.
It even picked some cards other than the ones that the machines
usually show a payoff,the ones that would be on a strategy chart. The
machine did not seem to pay much to anyone that tried it for hours.
Second, I realize that a game such as nsud pays 99.73%, would a
machine like this, one that was played with perfect strategy every
time, pay less than another one? What I am getting at is, if a
machine pays back 99.73 over the long run, not everyone plays perfect
on a normal one, if I, myself played a near perfect game would it be
better to play the normal one?
Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am no
math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
cards to save on every hand delt.
Strategy tables
I have 3 questions. First has anyone ever seen an igt machine that
held the correct cards in a casino? You just push deal and then
draw.
I've seen them hold many correct cards but not every one.
It even picked some cards other than the ones that the machines
usually show a payoff,the ones that would be on a strategy chart.
The
machine did not seem to pay much to anyone that tried it for hours.
This is not unusual for VP machines.
Second, I realize that a game such as nsud pays 99.73%, would a
machine like this, one that was played with perfect strategy every
time, pay less than another one?
Not if it's a standard class III VP machine.
What I am getting at is, if a
machine pays back 99.73 over the long run, not everyone plays
perfect
on a normal one, if I, myself played a near perfect game would it be
better to play the normal one?
Shouldn't matter.
Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am
no
math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
cards to save on every hand delt.
Strategies are based on the paytable. As paytables change so do the
strategies. However, for a given paytable there is only one correct
hold for each possible dealt hand.
Dick
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cacardman" <cacardman@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply. What I meant is that for the same pay table
on a given game, different authors have different strategy charts.
Should they not be the same? I don't have the knowlege to make the
chart, but I wish I knew which one was purely mathmatical.
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> Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
> anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
> the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
> several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am
no
> math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
> cards to save on every hand delt.Strategies are based on the paytable. As paytables change so do the
strategies. However, for a given paytable there is only one correct
hold for each possible dealt hand.Dick
Strategy charts may vary based upon the level of the strategy -- beginner, intermediate, advanced.
Many times an author will simplify their strategy chart to make it easy to read without sacrificing too much of the return.
http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2
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I have 3 questions. First has anyone ever seen an igt machine that
held the correct cards in a casino? You just push deal and then
draw.
It even picked some cards other than the ones that the machines
usually show a payoff,the ones that would be on a strategy chart.
The
machine did not seem to pay much to anyone that tried it for hours.
Second, I realize that a game such as nsud pays 99.73%, would a
machine like this, one that was played with perfect strategy every
time, pay less than another one? What I am getting at is, if a
machine pays back 99.73 over the long run, not everyone plays
perfect
on a normal one, if I, myself played a near perfect game would it be
better to play the normal one?
Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am
no
math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
cards to save on every hand delt.
I used to play 15/10 Loose Deuces at the Carson Nugget in Carson City
that had almost perfect autohold. The game was on the old VLT
looking machines under the name of Deuces Deluxe. That's probably
why the game lasted so long. It was 20-coin nickels with a $10,000
sequential royal, plus .5% CB.
The autohold played perfect except for 2 and 3 card holds on
sequential royal cards. It's my experience that autoholds play very
bad in general. I don't like machines with the autohold if they
don't play perfect as it takes more effort to correct the mistakes
than it is worth.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cacardman" <cacardman@...> wrote:
About 3 years ago the Peppermill in Reno had four 25 cent MultiStrike poker machines with full pay deuces (about 100.9%), with two at each end of the central bar. The autoholds were turned on and played absolutely perfect strategy on all four lines. This was the only case where you could play two multistrike machines at once because you didn;t have to worry about the holds, just hit the deal button. They lasted this way for about two months, then they removed the autoholds and they lasted another 4 months before they were removed.
>
> I have 3 questions. First has anyone ever seen an igt machine that
> held the correct cards in a casino? You just push deal and then
draw.
> It even picked some cards other than the ones that the machines
> usually show a payoff,the ones that would be on a strategy chart.
The
> machine did not seem to pay much to anyone that tried it for hours.
> Second, I realize that a game such as nsud pays 99.73%, would a
> machine like this, one that was played with perfect strategy every
> time, pay less than another one? What I am getting at is, if a
> machine pays back 99.73 over the long run, not everyone plays
perfect
> on a normal one, if I, myself played a near perfect game would it be
> better to play the normal one?
> Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
> anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
> the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
> several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am
no
> math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
> cards to save on every hand delt.
>
I used to play 15/10 Loose Deuces at the Carson Nugget in Carson City
that had almost perfect autohold. The game was on the old VLT
looking machines under the name of Deuces Deluxe. That's probably
why the game lasted so long. It was 20-coin nickels with a $10,000
sequential royal, plus .5% CB.
The autohold played perfect except for 2 and 3 card holds on
sequential royal cards. It's my experience that autoholds play very
bad in general. I don't like machines with the autohold if they
don't play perfect as it takes more effort to correct the mistakes
than it is worth.
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I wish that Peppermill still had FP DW does anyone know if there are any out there besides Silver Legacy?
Doug Reul <dougreul@yahoo.com> wrote: About 3 years ago the Peppermill in Reno had four 25 cent MultiStrike poker machines with full pay deuces (about 100.9%), with two at each end of the central bar. The autoholds were turned on and played absolutely perfect strategy on all four lines. This was the only case where you could play two multistrike machines at once because you didn;t have to worry about the holds, just hit the deal button. They lasted this way for about two months, then they removed the autoholds and they lasted another 4 months before they were removed.
>
> I have 3 questions. First has anyone ever seen an igt machine that
> held the correct cards in a casino? You just push deal and then
draw.
> It even picked some cards other than the ones that the machines
> usually show a payoff,the ones that would be on a strategy chart.
The
> machine did not seem to pay much to anyone that tried it for hours.
> Second, I realize that a game such as nsud pays 99.73%, would a
> machine like this, one that was played with perfect strategy every
> time, pay less than another one? What I am getting at is, if a
> machine pays back 99.73 over the long run, not everyone plays
perfect
> on a normal one, if I, myself played a near perfect game would it be
> better to play the normal one?
> Third, is the difficult one. I don't want to start a fight or
> anything, but this does not make sense to me. The machine that held
> the correct cards, saved the same cards as I would have. I have seen
> several strategy charts around, how can they be so different? I am
no
> math wiz, but it seems to me that there should only be one set of
> cards to save on every hand delt.
>
I used to play 15/10 Loose Deuces at the Carson Nugget in Carson City
that had almost perfect autohold. The game was on the old VLT
looking machines under the name of Deuces Deluxe. That's probably
why the game lasted so long. It was 20-coin nickels with a $10,000
sequential royal, plus .5% CB.
The autohold played perfect except for 2 and 3 card holds on
sequential royal cards. It's my experience that autoholds play very
bad in general. I don't like machines with the autohold if they
don't play perfect as it takes more effort to correct the mistakes
than it is worth.
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Looking at the Reno Index page, the only other FPDW
that I see is 10c FPDW at Bill's in Lake Tahoe.
vpFae
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On 24 Sep 2007 at 19:20, Bob Smith wrote:
I wish that Peppermill still had FP DW does anyone know if there are
any out there besides Silver Legacy?