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Strange Happening Today at Barona

#1

I thought I explained it pretty well.

Why advertise that you are, if not an "advantage player," at least close?
Why draw attention to the casino's best VP games? Both of those things can
shorten the life of that particular game, and might get you no-mailed, get your
comps reduced or eliminated, or get you 86'd. I've seen it happen.

And if I don't play those same machines, it is certainly NOT a "big deal."
If I do, it's a HUGE deal! :slight_smile:

Brian

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In a message dated 1/29/2009 4:28:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
LGTVegas@gmail.com writes:

So, assuming that you are playing a machine that was NOT put
on the casino floor 'by mistake' (which is the vast majority of the
machines), what are some of the "....lots of negatives which go
along with...." openly using a strategy chart?

Why does one care if the casino personnel know whether you
are playing 'almost perfectly' or not?

Personally, I don't use a strategy chart while playing. But, I just
don't understand what the big deal is (if some people do).

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#2

Brian,

Not everyone using a strategy sheet is an "advantage player." So, they are
not 'advertising' anything when they do.

I find it hard to believe that a patron would be 86'd just for
occasionally pulling out a piece of paper with VP strategy
printed on it. They had to have done something more.

As for getting comps reduced or eliminated (or no-mailed):
It seems to me that it would require a casino employee actually
seeing the patron using the sheet; the employee would have to
*care* that the patron was using the sheet; the employee
would have to relay that information to some department that
has control over such things; and then someone would have to
actually enter something into the computer. It seems highly
unlikely to me....

....UNLESS the patron is doing something more than just
using their cheat sheet.

Curtis

路路路

On 1/29/09, bjaygold@aol.com <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:

I thought I explained it pretty well.

Why advertise that you are, if not an "advantage player," at least close?
Why draw attention to the casino's best VP games? Both of those things can
shorten the life of that particular game, and might get you no-mailed, get
your
comps reduced or eliminated, or get you 86'd. I've seen it happen.

And if I don't play those same machines, it is certainly NOT a "big deal."
If I do, it's a HUGE deal! :slight_smile:

Brian

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In a message dated 1/29/2009 4:28:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
LGTVegas@gmail.com writes:

So, assuming that you are playing a machine that was NOT put
on the casino floor 'by mistake' (which is the vast majority of the
machines), what are some of the "....lots of negatives which go
along with...." openly using a strategy chart?

Why does one care if the casino personnel know whether you
are playing 'almost perfectly' or not?

Personally, I don't use a strategy chart while playing. But, I just
don't understand what the big deal is (if some people do).

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#3

Didn't Bob Dancer give a class at Barona? It would be strange to expect the participants to now try to use what they learned.

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--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Strange Happening Today at Barona
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:29 PM

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽Brian,

Not everyone using a strategy sheet is an "advantage player." So, they are

not 'advertising' anything when they do.

I find it hard to believe that a patron would be 86'd just for

occasionally pulling out a piece of paper with VP strategy

printed on it. They had to have done something more.

As for getting comps reduced or eliminated (or no-mailed):

It seems to me that it would require a casino employee actually

seeing the patron using the sheet; the employee would have to

*care* that the patron was using the sheet; the employee

would have to relay that information to some department that

has control over such things; and then someone would have to

actually enter something into the computer. It seems highly

unlikely to me....

....UNLESS the patron is doing something more than just

using their cheat sheet.

Curtis

On 1/29/09, bjaygold@aol. com <bjaygold@aol. com> wrote:

I thought I explained it pretty well.

Why advertise that you are, if not an "advantage player," at least close?

Why draw attention to the casino's best VP games? Both of those things can

shorten the life of that particular game, and might get you no-mailed, get

your

comps reduced or eliminated, or get you 86'd. I've seen it happen.

And if I don't play those same machines, it is certainly NOT a "big deal."

If I do, it's a HUGE deal! :slight_smile:

Brian

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In a message dated 1/29/2009 4:28:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

LGTVegas@gmail. com writes:

So, assuming that you are playing a machine that was NOT put

on the casino floor 'by mistake' (which is the vast majority of the

machines), what are some of the "....lots of negatives which go

along with...." openly using a strategy chart?

Why does one care if the casino personnel know whether you

are playing 'almost perfectly' or not?

Personally, I don't use a strategy chart while playing. But, I just

don't understand what the big deal is (if some people do).

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#4

Hey, PS.

That's an AWESOME post! You are ABSOLUTELY correct.

It WOULD be strange to expect Dancer's participants to NOT use Dancer's
strategy charts while playing in the casinos in which he has taught. Casino
personnel should EXPECT these players to use cheat sheets!

Curtis

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On 2/1/09, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@yahoo.com> wrote:

Didn't Bob Dancer give a class at Barona? It would be strange to expect
the participants to now try to use what they learned.

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#5

The casinos hire Bob Dancer to generate interest in the games and they believe that it is better to have players get 98% back and have continued interest in the game, than 95% and lose interest and thus not play. Most players will not get to expert level and the few that do will get comps for essentially free and may be (with strong promotions) might even average minimum wage, no threat to the casino but a good magnet for all others. On top of this being able to advertise good games brings people in. But for me, having non smoking games at similar pay tables (even if very few of them) elsewhere outshines Barona's publicity stunts.

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--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Strange Happening Today at Barona
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 1:16 PM

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽Hey, PS.

That's an AWESOME post! You are ABSOLUTELY correct.

It WOULD be strange to expect Dancer's participants to NOT use Dancer's

strategy charts while playing in the casinos in which he has taught. Casino

personnel should EXPECT these players to use cheat sheets!

Curtis

On 2/1/09, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Didn't Bob Dancer give a class at Barona? It would be strange to expect

the participants to now try to use what they learned.

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