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stations july mailer

#1

They'll probably keep on reducing it until they reach a point where the
players don't even come in to play the small amount of FSP they are given.
Or worse yet, come in ONLY to play the small amount....and then leave.

If you keep on playing the same amount as you usually do after the small
amount is gone....guess what's going to happen? You are going to keep on
getting less and less until they see your normal play fall off. Unless
everyone starts going elsewhere, they are going to do nothing to bring you
back.

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#2

I agree with a previous statement that Station executives no long want to compete for the savvy Video Poker player business. They probably feel the margins are just too low.

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: maverick89@cox.net
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:35:02 -0700
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

They'll probably keep on reducing it until they reach a point where the

players don't even come in to play the small amount of FSP they are given.

Or worse yet, come in ONLY to play the small amount....and then leave.

If you keep on playing the same amount as you usually do after the small

amount is gone....guess what's going to happen? You are going to keep on

getting less and less until they see your normal play fall off. Unless

everyone starts going elsewhere, they are going to do nothing to bring you

back.

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#3

What margins? Lolololol! Wearing my casino executive hat for a moment, chances are I'd deal to 10% of the regulars here, tops. I can think of two banks at Stations properties where the hold is basically the game plus maybe .2. At one of the two properties, thank God for 9-6 TDB, the game of choice among the non-pros playing that particular bank.

I kind of wonder where we'll be at 5 years from now. Now, I said that 10 years ago and 5 years ago, but more than ever, particularly in a bad economy, too many people know how to play and too many slot execs have been wised up.

Consider this for a moment...I was playing in a market which has very, very few professionals over the weekend (the way I prefer it to be lol), and I'm being raced to the Ultimate X bank by a housewife, a housewife!!! $20 bills in hand...seeing if she can scalp some multipliers.

Then...I go to another casino shortly thereafter, and there are 7 people, not a team either, waiting to scalp the bonus on an Indiana Jones bank.

As for 5 years from now? The new 9-6 Jacks will be 8-5 Bonus, the best paying regular game (unless you're one of the lucky ones who can find a surviving 9-6 Jacks) will likely be 18-7-940 Kings or Better (that is, if it isn't 17-7), you won't find a DW paytable over 99% (unless you find a rare FP BDW, but that may be a trend to compromise between the really harsh 15-9-4-4 and the professional's favorite 16-10, I won't even discuss 15-11 lol), because even the emptiest of all suits will be tired of getting beat by married couples from Deepest Kansas).

To add insult to injury, you'll see more and more casinos exempting VP from all promos.

Now, I could be wrong...there are two markets where there are consistent $50+/hr dollar plays, and I see one surviving, perhaps both, only because the overall quality of play is fairly low), but it would take a lot of heart (or a lot of ploppies) to take that kind of action.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:

I agree with a previous statement that Station executives no long want to compete for the savvy Video Poker player business. They probably feel the margins are just too low.

#4

Here is the scenario for Las Vegas for the next 5 years. Obama's administration will declare the casino industry "To big to fail". The government will take over the industry ( and the land ) and award it to Al Gore's "Green" companies and the SEIU. The government owns 87% of Nevada ( what's another 13% anyway ). Shut down the casinos since they interfere will the new health care plan ( too much gambling, smoke, alcohol, and fried food ) and turn Vegas in a new kind of "Boulder City" ( no we are not bulding another "Dam" read on ). Offer amnesty to illegal aliens and their families ( they are here anyway....... What are you going to do "Send them home" ? ) that are willing to live here and build solar panels on a monumental scale. Since there are over 100,000 rooms in Vegas and plenty of vacant home to house people this makes it ripe for "Change" and "Hope" ( and talk about jobs and voters woooooooooow no A.C.O.R.N. needed here ). Then
change the name of the state to New Goreland.

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From: paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:36:07 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@ ...> wrote:

I agree with a previous statement that Station executives no long want to compete for the savvy Video Poker player business. They probably feel the margins are just too low.

What margins? Lolololol! Wearing my casino executive hat for a moment, chances are I'd deal to 10% of the regulars here, tops. I can think of two banks at Stations properties where the hold is basically the game plus maybe .2. At one of the two properties, thank God for 9-6 TDB, the game of choice among the non-pros playing that particular bank.

I kind of wonder where we'll be at 5 years from now. Now, I said that 10 years ago and 5 years ago, but more than ever, particularly in a bad economy, too many people know how to play and too many slot execs have been wised up.

Consider this for a moment...I was playing in a market which has very, very few professionals over the weekend (the way I prefer it to be lol), and I'm being raced to the Ultimate X bank by a housewife, a housewife!!! $20 bills in hand...seeing if she can scalp some multipliers.

Then...I go to another casino shortly thereafter, and there are 7 people, not a team either, waiting to scalp the bonus on an Indiana Jones bank.

As for 5 years from now? The new 9-6 Jacks will be 8-5 Bonus, the best paying regular game (unless you're one of the lucky ones who can find a surviving 9-6 Jacks) will likely be 18-7-940 Kings or Better (that is, if it isn't 17-7), you won't find a DW paytable over 99% (unless you find a rare FP BDW, but that may be a trend to compromise between the really harsh 15-9-4-4 and the professional' s favorite 16-10, I won't even discuss 15-11 lol), because even the emptiest of all suits will be tired of getting beat by married couples from Deepest Kansas).

To add insult to injury, you'll see more and more casinos exempting VP from all promos.

Now, I could be wrong...there are two markets where there are consistent $50+/hr dollar plays, and I see one surviving, perhaps both, only because the overall quality of play is fairly low), but it would take a lot of heart (or a lot of ploppies) to take that kind of action.

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#5

What's the matter, the "savy" poker players don't lose money? All I know, is that we all play this game just hoping to get even. Isn't that what it's like playing a 100% machine?And that % is figured with hitting a Royal. So why even bother playing the game.

WE all know why we play the game...because it's addictive, and fun to play. The Stardust used to have progressive $1 machines in banks by the front entrance and in the High Roller area towards the back.Thse machines were 9/6 progressives and they were played all the time. Never heard the Stardust say anything about losing money on these machines. Sometimes the progressive got to over 12,000 and every machine in the house was taken.

These casinos keep bitching because their profits are down. Before, they were cutting payouts to keep the bottom line up. If they kept things constant, maybe they'd have consistent business all the time.

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They'll probably keep on reducing it until they reach a point where the

players don't even come in to play the small amount of FSP they are given.

Or worse yet, come in ONLY to play the small amount....and then leave.

If you keep on playing the same amount as you usually do after the small

amount is gone....guess what's going to happen? You are going to keep on

getting less and less until they see your normal play fall off. Unless

everyone starts going elsewhere, they are going to do nothing to bring you

back.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

_________________________________________________________________
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#6

a friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. this host
said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

i cannot confirm or deny this, just reporting what i heard. i'm
curious what others have heard from their hosts.

best wishes,

five

#7

If this is the situation ,then its simply a question of who is willing to
play at Stations without a mailer.
The next question becomes , If we boycot Stations ,will the mailers come
back?

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-------Original Message-------

From: fivespot
Date: 7/6/2009 5:56:45 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: stations July mailer

A friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
Generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
Whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. This host
Said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

I cannot confirm or deny this, just reporting what I heard. I'm
Curious what others have heard from their hosts.

Best wishes,

Five

#8

If they do that they will not just be shooting themselves in the foot, they'll be shooting themselves in the head.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

a friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. this host
said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

i cannot confirm or deny this, just reporting what i heard. i'm
curious what others have heard from their hosts.

best wishes,

five

#9

An empty casino and the offers will flood in

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jack page" <maverick89@...> wrote:

If this is the situation ,then its simply a question of who is willing to
play at Stations without a mailer.
The next question becomes , If we boycot Stations ,will the mailers come
back?

-------Original Message-------

From: fivespot
Date: 7/6/2009 5:56:45 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: stations July mailer

A friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
Generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
Whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. This host
Said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

I cannot confirm or deny this, just reporting what I heard. I'm
Curious what others have heard from their hosts.

Best wishes,

Five

#10

It's easy to boycott them unless you live in the NW part of town where Stations own everything. But what's really that far in Vegas. If I want to gamble in CA., I have to drive at least 40 minutes to get to any San Diego Indian casino. From one side of Vegas to another is what.... a half hour.

So why not give the Cannery, ES Cannery, M or South Point, as well as AZ Charlies and Sam's Town/Boyd group a shot with your money.

I guarantee you within two weeks of playing elsewhere and Stations will sit up and take notice. Only problem is that it's tough to get players to work in concert. So let's start today. Everyone at VPFree STOP playing at Stations starting today. I'll go spread this at LV Advisor and we'll see what happens.

#11

please address all rants like these to the folks at fox news...we like to remain in touch with rationality on this board...thanks for your cooperation...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, WOLVES <alpha_wolf12@...> wrote:

Here is the scenario for Las Vegas for the next 5 years. Obama's administration will declare the casino industry "To big to fail". The government will take over the industry ( and the land ) and award it to Al Gore's "Green" companies and the SEIU. The government owns 87% of Nevada ( what's another 13% anyway ). Shut down the casinos since they interfere will the new health care plan ( too much gambling, smoke, alcohol, and fried food ) and turn Vegas in a new kind of "Boulder City" ( no we are not bulding another "Dam" read on ). Offer amnesty to illegal aliens and their families ( they are here anyway....... What are you going to do "Send them home" ? ) that are willing to live here and build solar panels on a monumental scale. Since there are over 100,000 rooms in Vegas and plenty of vacant home to house people this makes it ripe for "Change" and "Hope" ( and talk about jobs and voters woooooooooow no A.C.O.R.N. needed here ). Then
change the name of the state to New Goreland.

________________________________
From: paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:36:07 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with a previous statement that Station executives no long want to compete for the savvy Video Poker player business. They probably feel the margins are just too low.

What margins? Lolololol! Wearing my casino executive hat for a moment, chances are I'd deal to 10% of the regulars here, tops. I can think of two banks at Stations properties where the hold is basically the game plus maybe .2. At one of the two properties, thank God for 9-6 TDB, the game of choice among the non-pros playing that particular bank.

I kind of wonder where we'll be at 5 years from now. Now, I said that 10 years ago and 5 years ago, but more than ever, particularly in a bad economy, too many people know how to play and too many slot execs have been wised up.

Consider this for a moment...I was playing in a market which has very, very few professionals over the weekend (the way I prefer it to be lol), and I'm being raced to the Ultimate X bank by a housewife, a housewife!!! $20 bills in hand...seeing if she can scalp some multipliers.

Then...I go to another casino shortly thereafter, and there are 7 people, not a team either, waiting to scalp the bonus on an Indiana Jones bank.

As for 5 years from now? The new 9-6 Jacks will be 8-5 Bonus, the best paying regular game (unless you're one of the lucky ones who can find a surviving 9-6 Jacks) will likely be 18-7-940 Kings or Better (that is, if it isn't 17-7), you won't find a DW paytable over 99% (unless you find a rare FP BDW, but that may be a trend to compromise between the really harsh 15-9-4-4 and the professional' s favorite 16-10, I won't even discuss 15-11 lol), because even the emptiest of all suits will be tired of getting beat by married couples from Deepest Kansas).

To add insult to injury, you'll see more and more casinos exempting VP from all promos.

Now, I could be wrong...there are two markets where there are consistent $50+/hr dollar plays, and I see one surviving, perhaps both, only because the overall quality of play is fairly low), but it would take a lot of heart (or a lot of ploppies) to take that kind of action.

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#12

Don't forget the Palms

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Levine" <stuckinvegas@...> wrote:

It's easy to boycott them unless you live in the NW part of town where Stations own everything. But what's really that far in Vegas. If I want to gamble in CA., I have to drive at least 40 minutes to get to any San Diego Indian casino. From one side of Vegas to another is what.... a half hour.

So why not give the Cannery, ES Cannery, M or South Point, as well as AZ Charlies and Sam's Town/Boyd group a shot with your money.

I guarantee you within two weeks of playing elsewhere and Stations will sit up and take notice. Only problem is that it's tough to get players to work in concert. So let's start today. Everyone at VPFree STOP playing at Stations starting today. I'll go spread this at LV Advisor and we'll see what happens.

#13

I plan to boycot Stations every day except senior Wednesdays!

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-------Original Message-------

From: caplatinum
Date: 7/6/2009 9:47:47 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

Don't forget the Palms

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Levine" <stuckinvegas@...> wrote:

It's easy to boycott them unless you live in the NW part of town where

Stations own everything. But what's really that far in Vegas. If I want to
gamble in CA., I have to drive at least 40 minutes to get to any San Diego
Indian casino. From one side of Vegas to another is what.... a half hour.

So why not give the Cannery, ES Cannery, M or South Point, as well as AZ

Charlies and Sam's Town/Boyd group a shot with your money.

I guarantee you within two weeks of playing elsewhere and Stations will

sit up and take notice. Only problem is that it's tough to get players to
work in concert. So let's start today. Everyone at VPFree STOP playing at
Stations starting today. I'll go spread this at LV Advisor and we'll see
what happens.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#14

I did already. They told me coverage of Michael Jackson is more important than anything else going on in the world ( Al Franken too ).

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From: irdd3000 <irdd@netzero.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 9:14:14 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

please address all rants like these to the folks at fox news...we like to remain in touch with rationality on this board...thanks for your cooperation. ..

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, WOLVES <alpha_wolf12@ ...> wrote:

Here is the scenario for Las Vegas for the next 5 years. Obama's administration will declare the casino industry "To big to fail". The government will take over the industry ( and the land ) and award it to Al Gore's "Green" companies and the SEIU. The government owns 87% of Nevada ( what's another 13% anyway ). Shut down the casinos since they interfere will the new health care plan ( too much gambling, smoke, alcohol, and fried food ) and turn Vegas in a new kind of "Boulder City" ( no we are not bulding another "Dam" read on ). Offer amnesty to illegal aliens and their families ( they are here anyway...... . What are you going to do "Send them home" ? ) that are willing to live here and build solar panels on a monumental scale. Since there are over 100,000 rooms in Vegas and plenty of vacant home to house people this makes it ripe for "Change" and "Hope" ( and talk about jobs and voters woooooooooow no A.C.O.R.N. needed here ). Then
change the name of the state to New Goreland.

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From: paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@ ...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:36:07 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations july mailer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with a previous statement that Station executives no long want to compete for the savvy Video Poker player business. They probably feel the margins are just too low.

What margins? Lolololol! Wearing my casino executive hat for a moment, chances are I'd deal to 10% of the regulars here, tops. I can think of two banks at Stations properties where the hold is basically the game plus maybe .2. At one of the two properties, thank God for 9-6 TDB, the game of choice among the non-pros playing that particular bank.

I kind of wonder where we'll be at 5 years from now. Now, I said that 10 years ago and 5 years ago, but more than ever, particularly in a bad economy, too many people know how to play and too many slot execs have been wised up.

Consider this for a moment...I was playing in a market which has very, very few professionals over the weekend (the way I prefer it to be lol), and I'm being raced to the Ultimate X bank by a housewife, a housewife!!! $20 bills in hand...seeing if she can scalp some multipliers.

Then...I go to another casino shortly thereafter, and there are 7 people, not a team either, waiting to scalp the bonus on an Indiana Jones bank.

As for 5 years from now? The new 9-6 Jacks will be 8-5 Bonus, the best paying regular game (unless you're one of the lucky ones who can find a surviving 9-6 Jacks) will likely be 18-7-940 Kings or Better (that is, if it isn't 17-7), you won't find a DW paytable over 99% (unless you find a rare FP BDW, but that may be a trend to compromise between the really harsh 15-9-4-4 and the professional' s favorite 16-10, I won't even discuss 15-11 lol), because even the emptiest of all suits will be tired of getting beat by married couples from Deepest Kansas).

To add insult to injury, you'll see more and more casinos exempting VP from all promos.

Now, I could be wrong...there are two markets where there are consistent $50+/hr dollar plays, and I see one surviving, perhaps both, only because the overall quality of play is fairly low), but it would take a lot of heart (or a lot of ploppies) to take that kind of action.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#15

That's not true at all, but I've pretty much bailed on Stations.

I suspect most of the complanants are playing mostly >100% stuff.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

a friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. this host
said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

#16

a friend was told by her host at stations that VP play simply will not
generate mailers anymore, regardless of what paytables you play,
whether or not you play with a multiplier, or anything else. this host
said that they are only sending mailers to slot players.

That's not true at all

what is your source?

I suspect most of the complanants are playing mostly >100% stuff.

given personal experience and the experience of several people i've
talked to, none of whom have been playing >100% games recently, and
given the results so far in the poll, i very much doubt that players
of >100% games make up "most" of whatever change happened in july.

best wishes,

five

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paladingamingllc<paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

#17

Actually, I got a mailer fro Red Rock for 2 free days and $125 in slot play. 2 Days later, I got a mailer from Aliante for 2 free days. I've never received any offers from either of them in the past

JockoKY

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jack page" <maverick89@...> wrote:

#18

Sounds like an out of market offer (you don't live in Vegas)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jocko_ky" <j.sharpe@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jack page" <maverick89@> wrote:
Actually, I got a mailer fro Red Rock for 2 free days and $125 in slot play. 2 Days later, I got a mailer from Aliante for 2 free days. I've never received any offers from either of them in the past

JockoKY